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For the most part I reside in the "shows are better when you're familiar with the music" camp, but I think Phish is a definite exception to that. I listened to a bit of them before seeing them for the first time, but I don't think I recognized I single song they ended up playing. Still had a blast. When I saw them for the second time six years later, they played a song of theirs that I actually knew, and it didn't add much to the show tbh.
The more I'm learning about the band, the more I'm sensing that there's a certain tipping point of familiarity/understanding where after you reach it, your appreciation for what's going on greatly increases. For bands that improvise heavily like Phish, each set really is its own organic, breathing, living thing. It feels like the music is unfolding from itself as opposed to emanating from the players and their instruments. Or maybe it's the pot. But either way, it feels exciting and special, which is why I'm really looking forward to seeing them again in June.
Post by piggy pablo on Jan 10, 2019 17:21:11 GMT -5
I posted this in the musicology thread but it will probably get more eyeballs here. Really in-depth analysis of both the music and history surrounding this jam. He has several other videos that I haven't watched yet, but I'll surely check them out because of how much I enjoyed this one.
I posted this in the musicology thread but it will probably get more eyeballs here. Really in-depth analysis of both the music and history surrounding this jam. He has several other videos that I haven't watched yet, but I'll surely check them out because of how much I enjoyed this one.
IT Roses is one of my all time favorite jams. Just a masterpiece.
I really liked how it was so impromptu that Trey fucks it up in the beginning and the band takes a little while to catch on. I appreciate that they were that spontaneous. Idk if they are anymore, but I kinda doubt it.
IT Roses is one of my all time favorite jams. Just a masterpiece.
I really liked how it was so impromptu that Trey fucks it up in the beginning and the band takes a little while to catch on. I appreciate that they were that spontaneous. Idk if they are anymore, but I kinda doubt it.
Rest assured that's how a lot of their songs start live. Since Trey makes up the setlist on the fly sometimes it takes a bit for the rest of the band to recognize the song.
Or if another band member is supposed to start it Trey will walk over to them and holler it out and they'll just go.
Post by deegleberry on Jan 11, 2019 10:15:25 GMT -5
I would argue that the last two years the band is as spontaneous as they've ever been. Playing 13 shows with no repeats forced them to be and it has certainly carried over to this year.
I would argue that the last two years the band is as spontaneous as they've ever been. Playing 13 shows with no repeats forced them to be and it has certainly carried over to this year.
agreed. i'd say the last time they maybe weren't as spontaneous was right at the start of 3.0. they were still getting used to playing live again, so a lot of the shows felt samey, at least for a phish show. similar set openers/closers, similar songs used for jam vehicles, and for that matter similar sounding jams. but even during those years we'd get ridiculous things like the Fuck Your Face bust out in 2010, or the Fuck Your Face show at dicks.
from 2015 on (after Trey got some jam schooling from Weir at FTW) they've been much more spontaneous and unpredictable.
Ween hate Phish so much but Trey loves Ween. Ween wouldn't even play Roses for a couple years because Phish was. Hilarious.
after lock'n in 2016, when phish/ween split headliner duties, Deaner posted this on his website:
Now then, Lockn—Ween at a festival is something that leaves everyone half-hard—no one more than us. Ween for 75 mins, 90 mins, meh… When the sun is out? Forget it. I should be asleep still, and I usually am. Now all I knew about the Lockn Festival is that we were opening for Phish. I swear to god I had no idea it was 2 nights either. I was surprised to learn that one night we were headlining and the SECOND NIGHT we’d be opening for Phish. i’d be lying if i said that opening for Phish wasn’t a big deal. all i’ll say is that we really wanted to play our asses off in front of those guys, who we’re friendly with going back a long ways. call it friendly competition, but it exists with every band. read: i wanted to blow their fuckin’ asses off the stage and rupture their fans’ ear drums and harsh their “vibe”. so there it is. u happy now? i hate their fans, they hate Ween, and I wanted to kill them with our music and un-fuck their minds from their normal listening habits. that would be like trying to convince a gay man that he was really straight though. ok, i think i just crossed the line. don’t like phish fans, so next off……..
i mean I didn’t even know this shit til right when it was happening, the whole “headlining one night” and “opening for phish” the next. i thought it was one gig opening for Phish and that was it. not that it really matters because we prepare the same for every show. Any ideas that we made it “more brown” on one night than another is imagined. So we get there. The festival is different somehow than most—the stage rotates, the bands go right back to back on a spinning stage. in theory we coulda played medleys with the openers, and Phish, had they not needed 19 hours to set up. the first night we just played and played. it went really well. it was a new high for us at a festival. i felt like for the first time since the reunion we achieved at a festival what we do in clubs. it was fuckin’ rad. i left a lot of other of our fave tunes for the next night so we didn’t shoot our entire load on night one. The 2nd night rolls around quickly, we go out and deliver a measured ass whooping, but this crowd is somehow indifferent. they’ve taken a lot of shit from ween fans for many years, we are officially on the scale. we do in fact whoop their ass, but nothing compared to the first night when it was OUR crowd. basically they reacted to us like you would to any opening act when you’re waiting to see the headliner, who u follow around, altho i know we made many converts this night. and that’s how simple Lockn 2016 was for Ween. killed it both nights, but we were the opening band on the 2nd night. i could micro-analyze it but we came offstage feeling like we killed it and that’s how i measure a gig, on how we feel when it’s done. a 40 minute poopship destroyer wouldn’t have done anything but looked cool on paper. phish went on about 80 minutes after us—we didn’t watch them. i thought their long setup was a buzzkill from the vibe of the one-two punches of the other bands on the two days before they showed up, they brought EVERYTHING, production, lights, video, sound—it was excessive i thought. we were too busy relaxing after 4 nights of gigs and being finally done. my favorite part was peter wolf from j. geils opening, we met before and he loves ween. he was the only dude at the festival i could relate to at all. like, the only motherfucker except the guys in my band that really understands rock and roll and is still doing it. a survivor, like me, and aaron, and claude, dave, and glenn.
I also love that this what just after bonnaroo '16 when they got that shizty 75 minute set, in the sun, that overlapped the quacking dead. Bonnaroo really screwed the pooch on that one, especially considering they'd given them over 2 hours at sunset in 2007 and one of the GOAT LN's in 2004
I figure one year I try it out. I was only at the Roo '12 show for like 20 minutes before wandering off with Scrog and LLL to meet up with other people.
I figure one year I try it out. I was only at the Roo '12 show for like 20 minutes before wandering off with Scrog and LLL to meet up with other people.
Ive done one Phish show 6 years ago at SPAC. It was actually the last time I was at SPAC. I liked them well enough but the company was lackluster. It’ll be fun to get a different experience.
If we end up doing the Fenway shows, it’ll be both nights so let me know if you decide to go and which night.
Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on Jan 15, 2019 1:12:16 GMT -5
With the help of my old roommate who's very into jam, I'm starting to really get onto the Phish wavelength. Their instrumentals and solos are just stellar; I almost wish it was just that without the vocal parts haha.
My question is, as I get to know their "bigger" songs/more iconic jams, are there any live versions of each song that are widely considered definitive or "the best" by phans? Like, theres 20 or so different live versions of Reba on Spotify (to pick a random example) and I don't really want to listen to every single one.
Any advice on a hot Phish playlist that both live and best of?
With the help of my old roommate who's very into jam, I'm starting to really get onto the Phish wavelength. Their instrumentals and solos are just stellar; I almost wish it was just that without the vocal parts haha.
My question is, as I get to know their "bigger" songs/more iconic jams, are there any live versions of each song that are widely considered definitive or "the best" by phans? Like, theres 20 or so different live versions of Reba on Spotify (to pick a random example) and I don't really want to listen to every single one.
Any advice on a hot Phish playlist that both live and best of?
I'm no expert, but the guy who makes these videos certainly is. I'd recommend watching some of these. I've heard multiple folks bring up the Bathtub Gin from the Great Went:
With the help of my old roommate who's very into jam, I'm starting to really get onto the Phish wavelength. Their instrumentals and solos are just stellar; I almost wish it was just that without the vocal parts haha.
My question is, as I get to know their "bigger" songs/more iconic jams, are there any live versions of each song that are widely considered definitive or "the best" by phans? Like, theres 20 or so different live versions of Reba on Spotify (to pick a random example) and I don't really want to listen to every single one.
Any advice on a hot Phish playlist that both live and best of?
I'm no expert, but the guy who makes these videos certainly is. I'd recommend watching some of these. I've heard multiple folks bring up the Bathtub Gin from the Great Went:
Hayley: my favorite song is bathtub gin by phish live at redrocks Jeff: but mine is bathtub gin by phish live at atlantic city, we couldn't be more opposite
I'm no expert, but the guy who makes these videos certainly is. I'd recommend watching some of these. I've heard multiple folks bring up the Bathtub Gin from the Great Went:
Hayley: my favorite song is bathtub gin by phish live at redrocks Jeff: but mine is bathtub gin by phish live at atlantic city, we couldn't be more opposite
Hayley: my favorite song is bathtub gin by phish live at redrocks Jeff: but mine is bathtub gin by phish live at atlantic city, we couldn't be more opposite
The crazy thing is you're both wrong!
lol it was a quote I saw on American Dad the other night
With the help of my old roommate who's very into jam, I'm starting to really get onto the Phish wavelength. Their instrumentals and solos are just stellar; I almost wish it was just that without the vocal parts haha.
My question is, as I get to know their "bigger" songs/more iconic jams, are there any live versions of each song that are widely considered definitive or "the best" by phans? Like, theres 20 or so different live versions of Reba on Spotify (to pick a random example) and I don't really want to listen to every single one.
Any advice on a hot Phish playlist that both live and best of?
Phish.net maintains extensive notes on every Phish performance. You can go to this page and pick the song you're interested and see a list of standout versions of the song. Each listing is annotated with notes about what makes it unique.
Generally, yes, fans would have standout examples of each song. There may not be a definitive version of each song but some performances get elevated to legendary status, Tahoe Tweezer (2013-07-31) being a prime example of that. Songs also evolve over time so there may be a couple "best of" versions for each song.
With the help of my old roommate who's very into jam, I'm starting to really get onto the Phish wavelength. Their instrumentals and solos are just stellar; I almost wish it was just that without the vocal parts haha.
My question is, as I get to know their "bigger" songs/more iconic jams, are there any live versions of each song that are widely considered definitive or "the best" by phans? Like, theres 20 or so different live versions of Reba on Spotify (to pick a random example) and I don't really want to listen to every single one.
Any advice on a hot Phish playlist that both live and best of?
Phish.net maintains extensive notes on every Phish performance. You can go to this page and pick the song you're interested and see a list of standout versions of the song. Each listing is annotated with notes about what makes it unique.
Generally, yes, fans would have standout examples of each song. There may not be a definitive version of each song but some performances get elevated to legendary status, Tahoe Tweezer (2013-07-31) being a prime example of that. Songs also evolve over time so there may be a couple "best of" versions for each song.
Holy shit these charts are so detailed. Y'all are crazy dedicated! Very helpful, thanks.
Phish.net maintains extensive notes on every Phish performance. You can go to this page and pick the song you're interested and see a list of standout versions of the song. Each listing is annotated with notes about what makes it unique.
Generally, yes, fans would have standout examples of each song. There may not be a definitive version of each song but some performances get elevated to legendary status, Tahoe Tweezer (2013-07-31) being a prime example of that. Songs also evolve over time so there may be a couple "best of" versions for each song.
Holy shit these charts are so detailed. Y'all are crazy dedicated! Very helpful, thanks.
With the help of my old roommate who's very into jam, I'm starting to really get onto the Phish wavelength. Their instrumentals and solos are just stellar; I almost wish it was just that without the vocal parts haha.
My question is, as I get to know their "bigger" songs/more iconic jams, are there any live versions of each song that are widely considered definitive or "the best" by phans? Like, theres 20 or so different live versions of Reba on Spotify (to pick a random example) and I don't really want to listen to every single one.
Any advice on a hot Phish playlist that both live and best of?
Phish.net maintains extensive notes on every Phish performance. You can go to this page and pick the song you're interested and see a list of standout versions of the song. Each listing is annotated with notes about what makes it unique.
Generally, yes, fans would have standout examples of each song. There may not be a definitive version of each song but some performances get elevated to legendary status, Tahoe Tweezer (2013-07-31) being a prime example of that. Songs also evolve over time so there may be a couple "best of" versions for each song.
now i gotta listen to it again.
Nathan Fieldcяab tahoe tweezer is also an excellent example of the interplay between band and audience. some sourpuss fans poo-poo on the "woo" audience participation movement that came out of summer 2013, but goddamn it's so incredible in tahoe tweezer. totally unplanned and unpredictable. and trey's tension release out-the-gate shredding after those woos is one of the greatest moments in phish history, IMO.
I know you all have been waiting for it, and now that I'm officially 3 youtube live concerts in, here are my initial reactions to Phish! My background knowledge going in: 1. Phish is a Jam band 2. Phish is led by a guy named Trey who was another band and plays with Les Claypool sometimes 3. Phish has a song called "Llama" that is apparently really difficult in Rock Band 4. Phish have a cover of "Also Sprach Zarathustra"? We had to leave 2012 early because my GF had summer school, and I heard it as we walked back to camp. It was then I knew I was missing something special. And that's it.
First off, anyone who claims Phish is boring must be taking crazy pills. I've been vibing HARD to them and I haven't wound up in the ER or gotten ANY gas! Then again, I've been mostly listening to Phish on the morning commute before I have any sort of rational/tangible thoughts so what do I know? I didn't know there are only 4 members, and I think that's cool. I didn't know they all have mics, and I think that's SUPER cool! I like their lyrics because they don't make me think too hard. On some songs there seems to be some audience participation? Like that one song where the guitar goes 'da doobie doobie doobie doobie doobie doobie' and everyone goes *clap clap*. Thats pretty rad. Or that other song that starts with a mid tempo drum beat and everyone is clapping along, but then the drummer drops a beat and everyone continues clapping on the offbeat all casual-like. I'm pretty sure that isn't organic since most audiences can't help but rush the clapping parts, let alone manage any sort of syncopation. So good on them! Oh and this was weird: apparently I know "Chalk Dust Torture"? How do I know that song? Seriously, did it get major air play? Was it in movies? How the quack do I now that song?????
That's all for now. I'll report back in after 3 more concerts. Hopefully I pick up on some repeated songs or other cool nuances of their live performances. Stay tuned.
I know you all have been waiting for it, and now that I'm officially 3 youtube live concerts in, here are my initial reactions to Phish! My background knowledge going in: 1. Phish is a Jam band 2. Phish is led by a guy named Trey who was another band and plays with Les Claypool sometimes 3. Phish has a song called "Llama" that is apparently really difficult in Rock Band 4. Phish have a cover of "Also Sprach Zarathustra"? We had to leave 2012 early because my GF had summer school, and I heard it as we walked back to camp. It was then I knew I was missing something special. And that's it.
First off, anyone who claims Phish is boring must be taking crazy pills. I've been vibing HARD to them and I haven't wound up in the ER or gotten ANY gas! Then again, I've been mostly listening to Phish on the morning commute before I have any sort of rational/tangible thoughts so what do I know? I didn't know there are only 4 members, and I think that's cool. I didn't know they all have mics, and I think that's SUPER cool! I like their lyrics because they don't make me think too hard. On some songs there seems to be some audience participation? Like that one song where the guitar goes 'da doobie doobie doobie doobie doobie doobie' and everyone goes *clap clap*. Thats pretty rad. Or that other song that starts with a mid tempo drum beat and everyone is clapping along, but then the drummer drops a beat and everyone continues clapping on the offbeat all casual-like. I'm pretty sure that isn't organic since most audiences can't help but rush the clapping parts, let alone manage any sort of syncopation. So good on them! Oh and this was weird: apparently I know "Chalk Dust Torture"? How do I know that song? Seriously, did it get major air play? Was it in movies? How the quack do I now that song?????
That's all for now. I'll report back in after 3 more concerts. Hopefully I pick up on some repeated songs or other cool nuances of their live performances. Stay tuned.
Like that one song where the guitar goes 'da doobie doobie doobie doobie doobie doobie' and everyone goes *clap clap*
Stash.
Or that other song that starts with a mid tempo drum beat and everyone is clapping along, but then the drummer drops a beat and everyone continues clapping on the offbeat all casual-like.
This one I'm not sure of off the top of my head. Mound maybe?
Oh and this was weird: apparently I know "Chalk Dust Torture"? How do I know that song? Seriously, did it get major air play? Was it in movies? How the quack do I now that song?????
They played it at Bonnaroo 2012 but it was after 2001 so not sure where you've heard it. It was not a big radio song, not in movies. But it's a catchy tune, hard to forget it once you've heard it.
I love Phish's lyrics specifically because they are so vague and silly. Makes it all the more absurd when I attach meaning to them.
Glad you are enjoying yourself! Surprised and delighted at how many people here are taking the effort to get into Phish. It can seem an overwhelming task but really all you need to do is pick a show on spotify and start listening.
With the help of my old roommate who's very into jam, I'm starting to really get onto the Phish wavelength. Their instrumentals and solos are just stellar; I almost wish it was just that without the vocal parts haha.
My question is, as I get to know their "bigger" songs/more iconic jams, are there any live versions of each song that are widely considered definitive or "the best" by phans? Like, theres 20 or so different live versions of Reba on Spotify (to pick a random example) and I don't really want to listen to every single one.
Any advice on a hot Phish playlist that both live and best of?
I started to make one, but I always forget that many of the "best of" jams available on spotify/apple/whatever will have something to the effect of Twist > Fukuoka Jam 1. If you were to shuffle this playlist it takes away from the magic sadly so instead I'm going to post my 10 favorites on Spotify. Since most of us recommended A Live One earlier in the thread, I've intentionally not selected anything from there.
Live Phish 10/30/10 Boardwalk Hall, AC - Tweezer > Heartbreaker > Tweezer > Ramble On > Thank You > Tweezer > Stairway To Heaven. If you like Led Zeppelin this is self explanatory.
Live Phish 7/4/10 Verizon Wireless, GA - Punch You In The Eye. Personally, this is my favorite show opener. You could take any PYITE and I'd agree it was the best version on spotify.
Live Phish Vol 4 6/14/00 Fukouko, Japan - Twist > Fukuoka Jam 1. Buckle up for 34 minutes of exploratory jamming. Pantheon of Phish jams.
Live Phish Vol 8 7/10/99 Camden, NJ - Fluffhead. Great all around show and certainly not the most technically proficient version of Fluff but great all the same
Live Phish 04/03/98 Nassau Coliseum, NY- Roses Are Free > Nassau Jam 1. All four nights of the Island Tour are fantastic, but this is the one I come back to year after year. *chef's kiss*
Live Phish 12/29/97 MSG, NY - Down With Disease > David Bowie > Possum > Tube > You Enjoy Myself. A second set dreams are made of. Not sure when anyone in attendance caught their breath.
Live Phish 12/7/97 Nutter Center, OH- AC/DC Bag > Psycho Killer. This one is short and sweet (12 min total), but it's the best transition from one song to another I've ever heard.
Live Phish Vol 11 11/17/97 - Tweezer > Reba > Train Song > Ghost > Fire. Best first set of all time. Ghost on the Mount Rushmore of Phish Jams.
Live at MSG New Year's Eve 1995 - Reba. This Reba is the one that got me hooked. This album is regarded by many as the best show ever so if you haven't heard just play the whole thing.
Live Phish Vol 7 8/14/93 Tinsley Park, IL - Run Like An Antelope > Sparks > Walk Away > Tinsley Park Jam > Antelope > Have Mercy > Antelope. This whole show is straight fire (also see The Divided Sky and Split Open and Melt) but this is just a magic moment back in the day.
As you can see, it can be hard to pick out on standalone song. Hopefully this gives you a few different launch points.
Post by deegleberry on Jan 16, 2019 10:11:39 GMT -5
"A sick and twisted, evil monster. At first, it sounds like the band is content to tinker with the basic song. But at about 8:00, Fish and Mike hook up and develop a high-power, pulsing and driving base. Chaos ensues, as spacey effects, unusual keyboards, and sick Mike create a throbbing, mind-blowing sensory assault."
With the help of my old roommate who's very into jam, I'm starting to really get onto the Phish wavelength. Their instrumentals and solos are just stellar; I almost wish it was just that without the vocal parts haha.
My question is, as I get to know their "bigger" songs/more iconic jams, are there any live versions of each song that are widely considered definitive or "the best" by phans? Like, theres 20 or so different live versions of Reba on Spotify (to pick a random example) and I don't really want to listen to every single one.
Any advice on a hot Phish playlist that both live and best of?