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Actually, now that I think of it, going for Dan first makes more sense. If the game continues, that pretty much confirms Potent was lying, and we can go from there. I will say though that there's still a possibility that Tainted was inspector (& if this is the case, we were screwed from the jump). From there, both Potent and SFA could have lied to basically open up the door for a third mafia to coast. Potent lies first to try and draw out the real inspector if they're still alive, and then when nothing happens and the coast is seemingly clear, SFA lies. SFA clears a legit town member, but also reveals a false given name who isn't around to defend themselves.
It would be an extremely risky game plan, but could work.
That all being said, if they did that, more power to them. Moreover, if that's what they did, then this will go to a Day 5 regardless. May as well go with the safest course of action, which like I said, I think is lynching Dan. We can at least weed out one of the lies this way.
AGar > Dan
I was thinking about this exact possibility. I think it's less than likely, but definitely possible, esp with SFA and Potent.
Post by Jake Jortles on May 31, 2019 12:24:17 GMT -5
Guys I have a massive post incoming. It is not very professional. I just want to preface that this is where my head is on Dan. It is absolutely a biased report of what has happened. But this is my best guess as to what has happened in this game.
If Jaz, Agar or Kanye is the remaining Mafia, idk wtf would happen on Day 5. Shit would be crazy. Tip of the cap if that is the scenario.
If I was not on Dan, I would switch to him for the sake of muddying up this first round a bit. In fact, I wish I was more attentive yesterday to switch from Dan and Agar.
I'm happy Dan at least switched in Round 1, but there is no way Mafia is nervous at this point given how clean the game has been.
Yeah it’s looking like all three of us in the runoff are town given how this is going down
Dan begins to build on my thoughts of all three of the D1 runoffs being Town, knowing that there were two mafia in it.
Just a feeling, basically random but I felt like switching.
The second most important post in Mafia 119 after Potents mistake. This was something they didn't prepare for. This is why the fire they were playing with burned them.
Potent not saying anything all game and then casts the vote that saves me. I know it probably sounds weird since he’s saving me, but the move doesn’t really sit right with me. We’ve seen potent as mafia do random saves before.
I also want to reiterate I’m in no way saying “I think potent is mafia” I was just bringing up the fact that we’ve seen potent play similarly as mafia. I think saying he deserves to be in the runoff day 2 is a little premature since we don’t have the whack yet.
Before we were seeing safe distancing, but let's make sure we aren't beginning momentum that leads to Potent necessarily being in the Day 2 runoff.
Not 100% sold on this vote. I don’t like the whole “stirring the pot” thing jortles is bringing up. Yes, things being quiet means things are generally going well for mafia BUT breaking that quietness is not evidence that’s he’s town.
Open to discussion.
This is an important post. Dan votes for me after I made an eccentric post about stirring the pot. This is the beginning of a theme where Dan tries to paint me as a loony outsider. He knows that I am susceptible to being lynched based on the last couple games because of the way I play, so he is going to work hard over the next few pages to paint this picture and control the Town narrative about me. Mafia needs Townies lynched late in the game to win, and I am a great target for that.
Kanye may be jortles kryptonite lol. I have no reason to have a town read on him. Pointing out that gut feelings are a cop out really isn’t adding as much to the game as he thinks.
I will obviously switch if necessary in the name of self-preservation, but I'd prefer not to.
Although the whack could very well be total misdirection, a 3-way runoff of myself, JTR and Jaz is one that almost completely ignores the whack all together. That's a little unsettling.
Just a reminder that I was first to encourage Potent's inclusion into a runoff with me on day 2.
I’d switch to Potent but I still am not a huge fan of JTR’s minimal contribution. Also really the only significant things for me with Potent are his switch last round and Tainted’s comments (& those only hold weight if he was inspector - which I personally don’t really think was the case).
Although Potent calling me suspicious after i've put time into explaining why he's possible being set up was maybe a good sigh I should have just went with him.
I think you made the right decision
Oh really Dan? Did SFA make the right decision to not include Potent?
Well, Jaz seems to be onto us, so maybe he's the whack. If we think inspector is still alive, I think Agarrrrrrrrrr, Kanye, or Jortles should be considered. We can wait to see if Jortles is voted out here.
Most important post of the game. Let's see how Dan can best work to distance himself and ultimately survive this.
Gonna need to crunch the numbers over lunch. I’m not mafia so if by potents post I have to be mafia - it’s a misdirect. (And something I’ve talked about in previous mafia chats so I’m not surprised if that’s the case - I kinda wanted to be the person to do it though).
Maybe it's my ego talking but I think they knew I was inspector and was about to cone forward cause I was pissy. I've been laying it on pretty thick about all game. Go back and look at me hinting around about round 1 "different".
I've been telling y'all Thor was mafia all of round 2.
I figured there was a slight chance of Potent but the vote switch made me cautious enoghe to not want him lynched this round. But if you look, I said several times not to let him survive to tge end.
I'm at work and I want have my computer till tonight. I'll make a more comprehensive post. Showing this.
Definitely not your ego you were my inspector read as well
No reason to not snuggle up to the Inspector to appear Townish. Good move.
Important: This is Dan's plan. This is how he can get a Townie lynched that still (not really) works with the Potent post. Now let's see who he wants his team to be when he ultimately has to duke it out with me on Day 4. Lets start forming the roster!
I was thinking jtr since he is unknown and jortles is known town. But also I see the merit of killing jortles since it takes away one of their prospective whacks. But also they'll probably whack SFA now if he is telling the truth.
Either way, I think we all need to lock our votes after SFA tells us more about him being inspector. That way we can see who is whacked and analyze this further
Jortles is the right kill. Dan voters at the end of Day 1 were Thor, SFA, myself, Maddog, and Jortles. I'm town, apparently MD and SFA are as well. Even if SFA is lying, Maddog's still probably town because that would make the most sense from a lying Inspector. Lean towards SFA telling the truth though, like I said before.
I’m be fine with us voting out Jortles, not because I’m confident that he’s mafia, but because JTR isn’t implicated one way or another on Potent’s post - which oddly enough kinda makes me doubt JTR is mafia. Jortles on the other hand I’m still basically 50/50 on. If he’s mafia, honestly I think we might be able to end this game next round by taking out Potent. If he’s town, then we’ve got work to do, but I don’t think it’ll be a much different situation than we’d see if we lynched JTR instead.
I know I said kill jortles but now I’m thinking JTR is the better option here. If you take the reveal and potents post at face value - he’s the mafia.
Dan > JTR
WAIT A MINUTE... Dan is willing the trust the Potent post here? Even though he's had it out for me all game, he sees the value in following the logic of the post?
I think whoever doesn't lynched here needs to be on serious trial if the game doesn't end when we lynch potent. Not saying that they are the only suspect but they should at least be seriously looked at
I'd like to see a runoff with Potent and Jortles if I get lynched here. I don't like how Jortles has classified all of the seemingly unknowns as straight up town. Makes me think there's some budding up going on to try to get people on his side.
If the game still continues after you and potent are gone - id reckon that’s what’s happening.
Keep on working this angle that makes so much less sense than Potent just making a mistake.
sorry i've been mia, made those first couple of posts before i left for work...
-regarding the fake pm slip, yeah the idea basically is that mafia, could just throw a random town name in their slip up and it forces the rest of town to question it. one of those you can only trust a liar to tell the truth about lying conundrums. regarding this slip up, it seems legit, potent is under no reallll pressure, and unless the third is Jortles/JTR it wouldn't have mattered this round, we still didn't have a reveal at that point, maybe it's just jumping the gun, but it seemed like a classic, it's 9 am and i fucked up move.
-i didn't really want to say anything because I didn't really know, but i was confident in some combo of Jaz/Dan/SFA, and then the potent chatter up to the slip made me feel fine with him as mafia as well. if we for sure have Thor/Potent/?? I'll probably pull back on that at some point.
-SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal i believe you, but if you had already guessed me, why did you set it up so i'd get this last vote here? seems like a waste, i guess retrospect you don't know potents role at this point, and me being town means mafia wouldn't be steering that ship, but idk, should have given that to someone else. bothered me then, bothers me now.
These two are contradictory. Potent's post said "Jaz is onto us". The "us" in that would refer to Potent and SFA, given that they are who I had been most recently referring to.
hmm, Jaz is really looking like an option. It's scary to keep Jaz around late as Mafia, but he might help me win Day 4 before I whack him on night 4. Then i'd just have to beat out Kanye or Agar and I can do that.
Lets be clear. Dan wanted us to talk. He was still deciding between Jaz and Maddog for the whack. Agar and Kanye are obviously moving through to knock me out.
Any man who must say “I am townie” is no true townie.
I kid, but in all fairness, based on Potent’s post, Dan is pretty much the only remaining player who wasn’t cleared as town (though Maddog was only sorta cleared indirectly).
The issue is I’m still really not confident about Potent’s mistake being a real mistake. And for that reason, I’m honestly not sure about anyone lol.
Any man who must say “I am townie” is no true townie.
I kid, but in all fairness, based on Potent’s post, Dan is pretty much the only remaining player who wasn’t cleared as town (though Maddog was only sorta cleared indirectly).
The issue is I’m still really not confident about Potent’s mistake being a real mistake. And for that reason, I’m honestly not sure about anyone lol.
Uhhh yourself, Kanye, me, Jortles are all uncleared...Maddog was cleared directly by SFA. You're quite wrong here.
Boom... This is why Jaz is living right now. Jaz is not buying Potents post, so Dan can get him on his side.
Hence why I'm still unsure of pretty much everyone, save Maddog because I'm pretty sure SFA was the real inspector.
Ahhh nevermind, we are good with Agar.
And that brings us to now. Dan is going to convince at least two of you to kill me. It doesn't really matter who he whacks in night 4. My guess would obviously be Jaz. My prediction is that we need either Kanye or Agar to be Jon Snow and stick the dagger in Danbob Targareyon on Day 5. I'm just trying to be Tyrion right now and convince you to do the right thing.
Now, if one of you on the sidelines is actually the third Mafia member... fucking bravo. I don't understand how the Potent move would have benefited you to this point, but I'm happy to lose on a move that great. Losing to Dan is just not accepting a blatant gift.
At least if you kill me you’ll know potents post was intentional.
Would be hilarious if Day 5 somehow ended up being Agar, Jaz and Kanye. But it isn't going to happen. We are basically arguing over the order of our deaths.
However, I feel pretty good about your death ending the game based on the full story I just laid out (not any of the story lines individually) + Potent's slip up.
Jortles has got some serious Alex Jones syndrome rn
This just falls into you trying to paint me as crazy. Just accept your fate you Mafia Scum. Even if I'm lynched here, you will be lynched on Day 5. I trust this group enough to not fuck that up.
At least if you kill me you’ll know potents post was intentional.
Would be hilarious if Day 5 somehow ended up being Agar, Jaz and Kanye. But it isn't going to happen. We are basically arguing over the order of our deaths.
However, I feel pretty good about your death ending the game based on the full story I just laid out (not any of the story lines individually) + Potent's slip up.
If you’re town can you please take the tunnel vision off for a second and consider this from my point of view. Potents post HAS to be intentional now that JTR is gone. That’s why I wanted to vote him off.
Would be hilarious if Day 5 somehow ended up being Agar, Jaz and Kanye. But it isn't going to happen. We are basically arguing over the order of our deaths.
However, I feel pretty good about your death ending the game based on the full story I just laid out (not any of the story lines individually) + Potent's slip up.
If you’re town can you please take the tunnel vision off for a second and consider this from my point of view. Potents post HAS to be intentional now that JTR is gone. That’s why I wanted to vote him off.
I'm currently voting for you because I have nothing on Kanye, Jaz or Agar. Please present a case and I will absolutely take it seriously. This is all I can think of.
Kanye: Has been less active than usual. Jaz: Mafia usually doesn't let him last to Day 4. Agar: Nothing really.
But I don't see why the Potent post makes sense for any of them. Even if he was trying to clear them... IDK why he would sacrifice himself at that point.
Post by Silver Surfer on May 31, 2019 13:21:12 GMT -5
Look I know one thing for sure. And its that if you're both town, neither of you are being helpful. Stop attacking each other because at this point jortles is right, you guys are fighting for who dies first. Start making cases for other people because at this point we're all pretty much stick on you two. Youve made your cases for one another now use that energy to actually help us. From my point of view one of you has to be mafia based on how distracting you guys are being.
Look I know one thing for sure. And its that if you're both town, neither of you are being helpful. Stop attacking each other because at this point jortles is right, you guys are fighting for who dies first. Start making cases for other people because at this point we're all pretty much stick on you two. Youve made your cases for one another now use that energy to actually help us. From my point of view one of you has to be mafia based on how distracting you guys are being.
I don't think we will look back on this as distracting. I think we will look back at it as the crux of this game... unless one of you other three somehow pulled off a magnificent move with Potent that makes no logical sense. But hey this is GoT themed... subverting expectations and all.
I'll read through again to look at you other three as possibilities, but as you mentioned, Dan and I are both as good as dead. You guys just need to figure out the order.
If jortles and I are both town then the best option is to not consider potents post at all and look at the votes knowing both Thor and potent were town. If both of us are town I guess I would say Jaz is the likely 3rd since a stunt like this would be up his alley as mafia.
If jortles and I are both town then the best option is to not consider potents post at all and look at the votes knowing both Thor and potent were mafia. If both of us are town I guess I would say Jaz is the likely 3rd since a stunt like this would be up his alley as mafia.
If jortles and I are both town then the best option is to not consider potents post at all and look at the votes knowing both Thor and potent were town. If both of us are town I guess I would say Jaz is the likely 3rd since a stunt like this would be up his alley as mafia.
The fact jaz hasn't voted yet is strange too. Plus as jortles already said, town jaz usually doesnt last this long
If jortles and I are both town then the best option is to not consider potents post at all and look at the votes knowing both Thor and potent were town. If both of us are town I guess I would say Jaz is the likely 3rd since a stunt like this would be up his alley as mafia.
The fact jaz hasn't voted yet is strange too. Plus as jortles already said, town jaz usually doesnt last this long
I agree but be careful with that logic. It could easily be used to frame a townie without making a complete case.
JTR > Agar Jaz > Taint Jortles > Dan Potent > Jortles Kanye > Agar Dan > Jaz Agar > Jaz Maddog > Kanye Thor > Taint Taint > Thor SFA > Dan Dan > Jaz > Thor
Left To Vote
N/A
This round is scheduled to end on Tuesday, May 21st at 11 P.M. EST
Consider it done.
Dan was the last vote in D1R1. He moved his vote off of me and onto Thor, putting Thor in the runoff. Who in your mind is his partner. He could have left a townie in, but you're saying that he decided to throw a teammate in instead.
D1R2 starts with Thor, Dan, Agar, and Taint at two votes each. Agar votes for Thor. Then Potent votes for Dan (his supposed partner) instead of two of the townies.
This round is scheduled to end on Wednesday, May 22nd at 11 P.M. EST Two and a half hours remain.
Agar drops out, leaving two townies (under your theory) to revote. They vote for Thor and Tainted. I then switch to Dan, and the rest is history.
Jortles you realize that you're advocating that twice the Mafia threw their own under the bus completely and entirely unnecessarily when they could have put a townie forward, but instead helped each other get voted out? So not only did we end up with the improbable M v. M final D1 runoff, but the Mafia actively worked together to put each other there? Bruh.
