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Post by Silver Surfer on Jun 3, 2019 17:29:05 GMT -5
So the last day 5 I remember was when jtr was mafia. This day 5 is completely different. The first thing that's different is the time. That round zoomed by because for one thing everyone locked their vote immediately. It took almost a day for us to get our first vote and then it wasn't even locked now here's why it sticks out to me.
As mafia in day 5, you more than likely don't want to vote first. This is because if you wait to let someone else handle it and they lock then you can piggy back and then basically slamdunk the game. Knowing this, I knew if I made it to today I would want to wait to vote in case i picked wrong and mafia was able to piggy back off of my incorrect pick. And so I've been sitting back after making cases for both people to see how they respond, especially since there hadn't been any voting yet. Jortles responded very well and unlike jaz, frantic jortles gives me strong townie vibes. Maybe he knows that maybe he doesn't but I think jortles' is town. And if he isn't I'll congratulate him on a game well played.
So jaz votes for jortles first, after waiting forever and then not really saying much. Then he follows it by saying he might switch or he might not. I mentioned mafia probably wouldn't want to vote first so they could see how the votes pan out. But in this case it was quiet. So jaz just votes, but doesn't lock it. Meaning he can still piggy back on any vote if he has to and already has posts planted saying he might switch. This just rubs me weird especially with how quiet he has been.
Jortles brought up a good point where jaz could have planted his post of being suspicious of potent/SFA so the fake looks real. It makes sense.
Looking at the post, Jaz's name is first. You would think if madia was trying to hide a name they wouldn't put it first and instead mix it in, like my name. But that's also probably what they expect us to think so they could say "Would we really put our own teammates name first???"
So anyway I'm gonna vote for jaz, but I'm not gonna lock it on the off chance jortles is Mafia. Especially since he's waiting so long to vote. I reeeeaaallllyyy don't want to be piggy backed
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 3, 2019 17:31:19 GMT -5
Before moving forward I just want to give you props for that “aura” phrase. Funny as shit. If the sentence was structured differently I’d have a new sig.
That aura was on display in 117 when I was town as well. SFA and Kanye were Mafia then. I hope that combo doesn’t just have a penchant for driving me crazy. I hope Im just crazy on my own.
Post by Silver Surfer on Jun 3, 2019 17:31:28 GMT -5
Combine the fact jaz voted to Dan, giving Thor a revote and the fact he hasn't really defended himself from neither me or jortles it just looks weird. Plus he's been weirdly inactive on such a crucial part of the game
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 3, 2019 17:39:36 GMT -5
On piggybacking. If I feel like voting for Jaz is the only way someone other than me gets lynched, Ill do it just because I know that if I get lynched its 100% a Town loss whereas Jaz or Kanye lynch is basically 50/50.
However, Im not going to vote until Ive done a thorough, thorough read through. I want to make sure there is nothing Im missing. I apologize for the delay, and I really believe I would have voted first if nobody had voted by tonight.
Ive been so wrong this game that I’ve considering voting Kanye specifically because Im more suspicious of Jaz. Kind of just kidding... lol
After five years of playing Mafia, the whole "analyze every post to death and defend yourself against everything" gets kinda tiresome. I used to play like that, but I've come to find it's often fruitless and the extra effort is unwarranted. If you're town, and willing to vote for me based on that, that's your vote and your call. There are reasons to vote for Jortles. There are reasons to vote for you. There are reasons to vote for me. I'm town, but do as you will.
I find it ironic though that you expect the Mafia to wait to vote, but instead you vote for the person voting first. You also act like I'm waffling by not locking my vote, and then yourself say that you're open to changing as well. You're quite inconsistent.
Post by Silver Surfer on Jun 3, 2019 17:42:00 GMT -5
I never said I'm open to changing. I'm not changing. I just don't want to lock and then jortles comes in and locks on you and it's game over and you're town.
The fact that Jortles is apparently willing to be all thorough and devote hours to this game but then not even vote is considerably more alarming (and is evidence for him wanting to hold back) than me saying I haven't had a chance to look over the thread and then actually voting.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 3, 2019 17:44:08 GMT -5
Jaz Im pretty sympathetic to what youre saying there, but Ill admit that I was hoping for more investment from you on a Day 5. How many Day 5s are you a part of on an annual basis?
The fact that Jortles is apparently willing to be all thorough and devote hours to this game but then not even vote is considerably more alarming (and is evidence for him wanting to hold back) than me saying I haven't had a chance to look over the thread and then actually voting.
I never said I'm open to changing. I'm not changing. I just don't want to lock and then jortles comes in and locks on you and it's game over and you're town.
The other options are that A) Jortles votes for you or B) he votes for me and we wait this shit out. I don't really understand your point because we'll lose with two votes on me regardless of whether or not it's because you both lock on me or if we putz around waiting for the deadline.
Post by Silver Surfer on Jun 3, 2019 17:46:19 GMT -5
Okay fine whatever my breaks over and now I'm even more stressed than before. I don't want jortles to vote for you while I can't check my phone so I'm back to nothing
Jaz Im pretty sympathetic to what youre saying there, but Ill admit that I was hoping for more investment from you on a Day 5. How many Day 5s are you a part of on an annual basis?
Lol idk. I think this is maybe my fourth or fifth total? I've invested myself completely previously and my record in Day 5s is a total goose egg. My investment obviously doesn't help much. Frankly I don't wanna spend hours on this and be wrong again.
The fact that Jortles is apparently willing to be all thorough and devote hours to this game but then not even vote is considerably more alarming (and is evidence for him wanting to hold back) than me saying I haven't had a chance to look over the thread and then actually voting.
I had tunnel vision all day 4 and hadnt properly considered this scenario. I did a read-through on Day 4 after I was encouraged to do so, but I dont think I was ready to face this reality. And since 11 am yesterday I have either been drunk, hungover or a combo of both. A vote now would basically mean nothing.
My main reasons for voting for you is you being a Dan voter at the end of Day 1, pushing to vote out Dan last Day (makes it seem like you were just trying to save your own skin), believing that Potent's post was legit even though now we know it's not, and an indefinable aura of bullshittery that I get from your posts.
I could end up moving to Kanye, but it probably won't have anything to do with anything you or Kanye say this round. Because it's also not escaped me that he's had exactly one vote this entire game, which is odd in and of itself.
So you were also a Dan voter. Ive thought about that as evidence against you. But considering Potent switched to kill Thor and made the move he did in this game, Im kinda feeling like we dont need to expect that vote split to be typical.
Either Thor was mafia, therefor the vote split could be atypical, or SFA was lying as mafia and that vote split looks normal upon review.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 3, 2019 18:03:55 GMT -5
I think you guys may be overestimating my effort in this game. Ive put effort into it, sure. But I was thinking Potent accidentally gifted Town a win with his mistake and I had tunnel vision until Day 5 started.
Vote History JTR > Agar Jaz > Taint Jortles > Dan Potent > Jortles Kanye > Agar Dan > Jaz Agar > Jaz Maddog > Kanye Thor > Taint Taint > Thor SFA > Dan
Left To Vote
N/A
This round is scheduled to end on Tuesday, May 21st at 11 P.M. EST
Two Mafia on Dan possibly? Usually they would be a bit more spread out in the first round.
I wish I knew you better. For some players, I'd view this as an unnecessary bit of self-reflection / analysis for a D1R1 Townie vote. But hey, I don't care too much about the backstory if you're saving me from being moved forward.
Eh. I just noticed it in the later tallies and thought it was a dumb mistake on my part. I apparently didn't realize Thor was an option either. Just wasn't really in the game yet I guess. I feel it's typically better to own up to errors instead of them possibly coming back later to be used against me as something it wasn't. The less time the town spends chasing down false leads the better.
Kinda weird that an Inspector with Thor's name wouldn't realize that Thor wasn't an option...Mistakes happen but I feel like it'd be less likely if he was the one other player whose role you knew.
Well, Jaz seems to be onto us, so maybe he's the whack. If we think inspector is still alive, I think Agarrrrrrrrrr, Kanye, or Jortles should be considered. We can wait to see if Jortles is voted out here.
Whoever he's Mafia with, he mentions both Kanye, Jortles, and myself. So the fact that all three of us are now in the final runoff means that the Mafia have thus far gotten exactly what they wanted for the most doubt. However, if we are to assume that the Mafia are Thor/Potent/???, then we have to ask whether or not it would make sense for Potent to out himself here (and we know that outing himself as Mafia was intentional). Because if the Mafia was Thor/Potent/Jortles, that means that there would be a 50/50 chance that the game would basically be over after this post if we voted out Jortles and then Potent, who would obviously be the next lynch. Would Potent have made this post if it could have ended the game for them? Or would the best move to be to make this post if a Mafia didn't stand to get voted off this round?
We know that Mafia Potent is calling Jortles town here. Now we just have to get inside his mind. Did he call Jortles town because he thought we would take this as a true mistake and thus vote out JTR (which we did)? That's very, very risky if Thor was Mafia and so was Jortles. He would have had to have been sure that JTR would get voted out.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 3, 2019 18:58:20 GMT -5
Im reading through now. Basically, if Thor was Mafia with Kanye, he likely told Potent and Kanye that he didn’t feel like playing this game in my opinion. If Thor actually wanted to play, Kanye and Potent totally fucked him. This is the only way I can buy that scenario. Its actually possible though considering Thors lack of effort and idgaf attitude on Day 1.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 3, 2019 19:10:54 GMT -5
And then Kanye shifts his attention to Potent and votes for him out of the Gate on Day 2. This is another level of distancing if its Kanye / Potent / Thor.
The problem is, a move like the one Potent made may be planned out very, very far in advance. So you could get way more aggressive with distancing if you knew your squad was heading that direction.
And then Kanye shifts his attention to Potent and votes for him out of the Gate on Day 2. This is another level of distancing if its Kanye / Potent / Thor.
The problem is, a move like the one Potent made may be planned out very, very far in advance. So you could get way more aggressive with distancing if you knew your squad was heading that direction.
Back to the read.
Not to mention I also switched off of him onto jtr, saving him :/
Without thinking about Thor, I think this best points to Potent, Kanye and Jaz. Probably in that order.
Ill need to read through again, but I think Potent would have chosen someone else if he was mafia worried about his name being known. Ill have to look back again. Hes definitely worthy of this runoff for obvious reasons not worth expanding on again.
For Kanye, and to a lesser exent Jaz, I’m picturing Tainted as Inspector knowing Kanyes name and trolling Kanye after 2-3 of his posts. Like he knows Kanyes bullshitting and hes just fucking with him like “wHaT eLsE dO yOu ThInK kEnNy?” I think he interacted with a couple of Kanyes posts in an unfair way like that. But maybe he knew Kanye didn’t deserve to be treated fairly. Even if you don’t buy this line of thinking, I can see a scenario where Mafia felt like that “kenny” post was a little too weird and close for comfort.
As for Jaz, Tainted had a trollish comment like that after one of his posts, as opposed to 3 of Kanyes.
Annoying. The directions that I thought that first whack pointed to were pretty spot on. But its more annoying that you both are here and I cant find ways to fucking separate you.
So at the top of page 6, Kanye really kicks off a good amount of substantive conversation. Ideally, I would have liked to see Kanye go even further in that direction and be even more provocative. He worded everything in a way where he can come back to it and say "this was all just soft and I don't think that way anymore." If he had ruffled some feathers there I would have felt even stronger about him being Town.
Disclaimer: Mafia can do anything blah blah blah, Mafia kanye may have realized he was looking out of character if he didn't plant a large post by now. I end up going in circles in every Mafia game, but I'll just say again that I liked that Kanye post.
To be fair I did call the gut feeling voters out by name, calling that reason for a vote a "major cop out." I also went on to tag both potent and jortles for more explanation (which they never did). In the scenario, two people essentially nailed Thor's coffin without a substantial reason. That's fishy
Im nowhere near done, obviously. There are two things coming to mind that I dont love about Kanye in this game.
1. We buddied up to each other in different instances in this game, but there were two instances (this one included) where it felt like he was seeking validation from me in a way that felt over the top or unnecessary. I already gave Kanye more credit than anyone could ask for very early in the game, but I mentioned that I would have liked it if he was even more controversial with his post. He then responds defending his level of controversy.
Another time he did something similar was when I told Jaz that it felt town to me that he wanted me to go back and “look at the tape” on Kanye Agar and himself and remove my tunnel vision on Dan. Kanye felt it was necessary to quote me and say something like “hey I did that too.” Sorta like “wheres my love you should see me as Townish too by your own logic.”
Ive mentioned that I have respect for Townies defending themselves, but Kanye directly said that he doesnt really like it and finds it fishy when people do it.
2. Kanye made a few of his important vote decisions by being pretty directly influenced by someone else. He voted for Thor based on Agars (pretty weak) logic. He was persuaded to change from me to Dan last round, and Jaz has now talked Kanye out of his first vote.
These were the two themes upon further reflection that gave me my gut feeling that made me say Kanye had a mafia stench about him on Day 4.
I don't want to vote alongside SFA or Maddog as I am wary of them, and Jortles was one of the Dan voters that I am seeking to narrow down.
I may have missed someone pointing this out, but it is interesting that Potent was wary of the exact two names that were cleared with SFAs reveal... not long before SFA revealed.
And then it happened to be Jazs post specifically calling out Potent and SFA that ends up prompting the “hes on to us.”
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 3, 2019 20:33:35 GMT -5
I also think the Maddog whack could have been taken for granted. A cleared vanilla Townie doesn’t necessarily need to be whacked there.
Maddog was more suspicious of Jaz than anyone. If Kanye is Mafia with Potent and SFA or Thor, I think one of the 3 would have decided that whacking Jaz, regarded as the best player remaining in the game at the time, would have more valuable then removing one “cleared” Townie given how safe Kanye appeared to be.
Now if SFA is involved, they may have felt the need to go over the top on selling his fake.
I don't want to vote alongside SFA or Maddog as I am wary of them, and Jortles was one of the Dan voters that I am seeking to narrow down.
I may have missed someone pointing this out, but it is interesting that Potent was wary of the exact two names that were cleared with SFAs reveal... not long before SFA revealed.
And then it happened to be Jazs post specifically calling out Potent and SFA that ends up prompting the “hes on to us.”
If you were mafia with potent and SFA then you could have very well planned this out to create that connection later.
But if not that is a pretty crazy tie if potent/SFA are together. Although I'm still pretty sure sfa was inspector.
Also I said unprompted defense was suspicious not responding to things as defense. I pointed out that I also told you go back because that was your strongest reason for thinking jaz was town. Basically I was just saying you should be cautious with that, especially now that both people that told you to go back are alive with you.
As for my vote switching you're right, that's weird and I have no response for it. I guess I'm just not as confident as I have been
Whacking the only cleared townie does make the game more confusing if that's something they were going for
It's usually the preferred Mafia strategy. As Mafia you want townies to vote for other townies, and you increase the chances of that happening by removing a townie that no one's going to vote for.
Whacking the only cleared townie does make the game more confusing if that's something they were going for
It's usually the preferred Mafia strategy. As Mafia you want townies to vote for other townies, and you increase the chances of that happening by removing a townie that no one's going to vote for.
Yeah that's what I thought. Removing you is great in theory but then there's just maddog hanging out
