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We literally decided it was out of character and mafia-esque of him and also decided we were gonna put him in the runoff because of the move. How is that lack of discussion
By "we" you mean you and a seemingly sarcastic Tainted? I wouldn't consider that a thorough discussion of who should be in the next runoff but OK. I'd also think what is important to discuss now is if everyone is fine with the move this round. I personally am but I'm just surprised that hasn't been more said. Simple.
Plus, I don't think the question was if it was "out of character". Dan's point was the opposite. That he's been known to switch votes as a way of muddying the waters. I'm not sure if that was the case here or not but that was the main point brought up.
Yeah I definitely overreacted with the discussion point. It's just been really quiet and so any small interaction seems much much more significant. I think mafia sees that and likes what is happening.
Also I meant out of character of townie potent, which would be in character as mafia potent. Which is what Dan is saying
Post by Silver Surfer on May 26, 2019 21:29:48 GMT -5
I just did a read through after working all weekend and realize I haven't been attentive to this game much of all. Work is understaffed rn and I just got promoted to shift leader so I'm working a lot more than I was. Anyway here is what I saw.
Gut feeling has been used a lot more than usual. I think it's a major cop out and would rather people just say "I have no clue." Jaz at least backed up his gut feeling. Potent just made a major switch and dipped. JTR never really said anything past his gut feeling for Thor either. So potentpotables and Cookin' Mama is there any more you could expound upon your "gut feeling?"
Tainted wanting to be pushed into the runoff (next round too) is so strange to me. Although I have no idea what it would mean.
Maddog has a point about how "significant" his vote for dan is. It isn't fair that jtr's vote got looked over. Sportsmanship shouldn't play a major role in this game and just cause we knew thors vote doesn't mean that maddog should have had to wait. That's just theory and nothing really pertinent to roles but figured I should at least say it.
Jortles seems his usual self tbh. He's questioning a lot which is super appreciated and on par with how he normally plays.
SFA is not acting as he did when we were mafia together. That's good. I know I've been called out for saying this before but I seriously lean town on him.
As for the people in the runoff.
Thor doesn't right with me, but honestly he doesn't ever sit right with me in like any game we have played together. I feel like he should provide a lot more as he is a veteran of this game. Also his only posts have pretty much been calling people who are voting for him bullshit and voting himself. I got into a huge fight with him last game for similar moves though and he ended up town so maybe I just can't read the dude.
Dan is just memeing, so take that for what it's worth. That seems on character for him but as a few of us know, he is a pretty good mafia dude. Maybe humor is part of seeming town. I guess time will tell.
I don't feel strongly enough to switch my vote as of now. Maybe if jtr and potent can talk to me about their gut feelings on Thor I can decide but for right now I'm stuck.
Post by Jake Jortles on May 26, 2019 21:43:20 GMT -5
I’ve been apathetic about this game since the round two closure. I think the first two rounds were too clean. My feeling is that Thor and Dan are both Town and I don’t care which of them dies. I thought the consensus was that Thor was a great player that would be worth keeping around in this scenario, but I personally can’t corroborate that. Only played one game with him. Dans good too, so idk if this matters much right now.
That’s kinda where I’m at.
If it were up to me, we would consider throwing the 2 least impactful players so far into the runoff along with the person or two we think the whack implicates for D2R1.
Post by Jake Jortles on May 26, 2019 21:49:51 GMT -5
I really like Kanyes post. Its especially cool that he referred to me as helpful.
That post instantly gave me my best Town lean in this game (that being Kanye). Take that with all the salt in the world though. 2 games ago I convinced someone to switch a death vote to save Kanye because of my Town lean on him and he ended up being Mafia.
Though I appreciate Kanye trying to analyze what little is present for us to to work with, I can’t help but feel like most of those points are really just stretches/grasping at straws (though I guess that’s what this game is at least partially about). I’d find it unsettling how often people are citing “gut feeling” or not giving any logic at all, except for the fact that there’s really nothing else to work with. I mean, I actually provided logic for my vote, and got some flack for that, so clearly everything is being jumped at as means for criticism/suspicion *because*, again, there’s damn near nothing good to work with right now.
I do find Potent’s switch weird because of the gravity of it, however. And yeah, whatever Tainted’s game is, I don’t really understand it. Tbh I thought he was being sarcastic at first, but it doesn’t seem like that was the case.
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If it were up to me, we would consider throwing the 2 least impactful players so far into the runoff along with the person or two we think the whack implicates for D2R1.
I like this plan. I feel like mafia’s probably content with how things are going right now, and just hanging back. If we take this approach, it either forces mafia to be more active and “helpful” (and thus provides more content for us to work with) *or*, if they try and just keep quiet, we get rid of them as a penalty for lack of contribution.
That or Jortles is mafia trying to manipulate this game because he and his fellow mafia are already major contributors so far, but idk I don’t really get that vibe.
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I have been meming, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s all I’ve been doing.
Sorry I meant to say mostly, but even that would be incorrect. I think I put too much stock into your bobby b posts that I overlooked a couple things. You have definitely been helpful, at least more than Thor. Your potent vote switch catch is probably the most important info we have right now and that was from you lol
Post by piggy pablo on May 27, 2019 17:00:14 GMT -5
Seemingly eager to put himself in danger, maybe Tainted Opossum wasn't quite ready to go. When Mafia asked for his last words, he replied with one directive for Mafia:
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on May 27, 2019 18:08:47 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Yeah, not a lot of solid info here.
Tainted's vote for Thor was reciprocal so that softens it as evidence a fair amount. Although he did stick to it. He even trolled Thor for his light on substance arguments and even mirrored his response at one point. He also asked to be put back in the runoff against him.
He made reference to being put in the round 2 runoff with Potent..... which honestly came off as sarcasm to me at the time.
It's been quiet and there's nothing that's standing out to me to say yet. However I have also noted potent's quietness, along with yours.
What else have you noticed, kenny?
So you could argue he was leading the town in Potent's direction BUT I think this also seems like a really good set up post. One the mafia would notice and it fits into a narrative people have already been talking about. Just something to keep in mind.
I don't know. As far as purposeful inspector play this is all seems like a toss-up to me. Of course we woudln't expect the inspector to be laying it on thick.
BUT I think the next two post could be something the mafia saw as hints or perhaps just slips(?).
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on May 27, 2019 18:14:10 GMT -5
Although, looking at the timing, I guess you could argue Tainted sat back at the start of the game to see how Thor voted and just so happened to luck out and get to vote for him?
Given that Tainted voted for Thor and held it there, his odd comments throughout the game combined with his being whacked makes me lean towards the Mafia thinking he was Inspector, or at the very least they had suspicion of him and thought he could serve as a good misdirect if he wasn't Inspector. It's also possible that if Thor was Mafia, they wanted to whack the person who points the hardest at Thor, so that the whack leads to a dead end. Either way, I think it makes sense to look at the Dan voters. Jortles, SFA, MD, and myself. None of them have done too much that makes me have any suspicion of them, but I'll open by voting for Jortles. May change my vote if a reread gives me a lean in a certain direction.
Question - have mafia historically ever suicided/whacked one of their own in the first round? Seems like a stupid move but idk I guess it could more or less throw off the game.
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Question - have mafia historically ever suicided/whacked one of their own in the first round? Seems like a stupid move but idk I guess it could more or less throw off the game.
I just can’t get over how odd Tainted’s play was.
I actually had this thought, but if they wanted to whack their own on night 1 I think tainted would have been a little clearer in leading town down a wrong path.
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Question - have mafia historically ever suicided/whacked one of their own in the first round? Seems like a stupid move but idk I guess it could more or less throw off the game.
I just can’t get over how odd Tainted’s play was.
Yes, it has happened but I think just once and it was years and years ago. I also think there were fairly unique circumstances as to why that was an option and why they thought it would work.
But I also had this thought passed through my head. They he was acting out or signalling to certain people. Who knows.
To be clear, this probably isn't a path we won't to go down. One time my mafia team set up an innocent player as a rouge mafia who was fighting with his teammates. It worked but it was a much sillier situation than this. It's also something we would never know until the game is over so it's probably not a fruitful avenue to go to far down.
Sorry to bring this back all late but lol what? Explain please.
He was basically trolling a Mafia game. I wasnt really being serious.
Before a re-read, my feeling is that current wave of thought on inforoo is to leave Town in the dark after day 1 rather than to really make an effort to get Inspector. Try to give the Town two day 1s essentially. Would have been fucking nasty if they whacked Potent because it would have even more directly pointed towards a dead Thor.
Post by Jake Jortles on May 27, 2019 20:51:24 GMT -5
Without thinking about Thor, I think this best points to Potent, Kanye and Jaz. Probably in that order.
Ill need to read through again, but I think Potent would have chosen someone else if he was mafia worried about his name being known. Ill have to look back again. Hes definitely worthy of this runoff for obvious reasons not worth expanding on again.
For Kanye, and to a lesser exent Jaz, I’m picturing Tainted as Inspector knowing Kanyes name and trolling Kanye after 2-3 of his posts. Like he knows Kanyes bullshitting and hes just fucking with him like “wHaT eLsE dO yOu ThInK kEnNy?” I think he interacted with a couple of Kanyes posts in an unfair way like that. But maybe he knew Kanye didn’t deserve to be treated fairly. Even if you don’t buy this line of thinking, I can see a scenario where Mafia felt like that “kenny” post was a little too weird and close for comfort.
As for Jaz, Tainted had a trollish comment like that after one of his posts, as opposed to 3 of Kanyes.
Post by Silver Surfer on May 27, 2019 22:02:05 GMT -5
I personally think mafia could have though that tainted was inspector because of his response to my post asking him why he wanted to be in the runoff. "I'm just stratergizing and stuff." I think maybe he could have been trying to get killed because mafia would think that an inspector wouldn't want to get killed. Idk
