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Well, at this point I have to ask what about my Town read do you think is disingenuous? You're saying I'm making the case for myself through making the case for him, and that I don't actually have a Town read on Kanye?
If I was trying to sneakily get a Town read for myself, I wouldn't have called that out with the flag planting. And even if you were right and this is all a scheme to get myself to appear Townish, even that wouldn't say anything about me being Mafia. I consistently go to great lengths to earn a Town read, especially when I'm Town.
I know that you have rules that preclude anyone from getting you to change your vote, and I have to imagine that is especially true of the person you are voting for. But I'm surprised that you will completely ignore a whack and stick to your vote based on thinking I'm lying about having a Town lean on Kanye.
My point about you being disingenuous and my point about Kanye being your kryptonite are two different thoughts. You being disingenuous was when you were talking about “stirring the pot” and the kryptonite was more of a comment suggesting you always have a town read on Kanye.
I do always seem to have a Town read on Kanye. I'll make fun of myself for Mafia 117 for as long as I am a member of inforoo. My reads on Kanye are not to be trusted, nut it's my read nonetheless.
I guess I can see the spirit of your vote if you truly think I'm fabricating my thought process around whether or not Mafia would have been more likely than Town to stir the pot at the end of day 1 just to serve myself. If people are lying in this game it would be more likely that they are Mafia than Town I supposed. I just wish you'd recall that even if I was being disingenuous and self-serving, it wouldn't even be out of character for me as a Townie.
A few games ago I used not realizing that vanilla townies received a PM at the beginning of the game. Last game (maybe 2 ago) you noticed that I made a vote switch that was similar to a fateful vote switch that I made when we were mafia together in my first game. I latched on to that to try to prove my Township later on in the game. So even if you were right about this all being self-serving, it would still be on townie jortles brand.
But the reason I planted the flag in my initial post and am not trying to use interesting ways to prove I'm Town so far in this game is because I'm a little apathetic about my ability to do so. I personally think that everyone should be working to convince the rest of Town that they are Town, but explaining things only seems to hurt people in this group. It's an uphill battle that just isn't worth it. People get punished for explanations and being active... me and maddog right now for instance. You weren't 100% sold on my explanation, but Maddog certainly didn't hurt himself yet by saying nothing along with his vote.... even when asked.
Thor - 6 (Taint, Dan, Agar, Kanye, JTR, Potent) Dan - 5 (Jortles, SFA, Jaz, MD, Thor)
I made my switch hopeful that it would help in the sorting out of players post-D1. I don't think it was very helpful though. Sorry about that. My thought was that there were probably 2 mafia on Dan, playing the odds, and that then by switching my vote, I could hopefully narrow the choices artificially. That leaves me with Jortles/SFA/Jaz/MD and thinking 2 of the 4 are mafia, analyzing the split. Any of you four, feel free to substitute my name in place of yours.
Then, there are four players who didn't receive votes at the end of D1R1 - SFA, Maddog, JTR, Potent. I believe in the validity of this theory - we know that any group of four is likely to yield a mafia, a traditional 4 way D1 runoff leaves four players without votes at the end of D1R1, and mafia has a vested interest in not voting for their own to keep them out of the runoff - it makes sense that at least one mafia comes from this group.
Analyzing the vote split with , it is possible that JTR would be the 1 mafia in the Taint group (Dan/Agar/Kanye/JTR), but I don't want to chase that right now, I like the odds better in finding a mafia in the group of Dan voters.
Between SFA and Maddog - two Thor voters cross-referenced in the list of players without a D1R1 end vote...
My point about you being disingenuous and my point about Kanye being your kryptonite are two different thoughts. You being disingenuous was when you were talking about “stirring the pot” and the kryptonite was more of a comment suggesting you always have a town read on Kanye.
I do always seem to have a Town read on Kanye. I'll make fun of myself for Mafia 117 for as long as I am a member of inforoo. My reads on Kanye are not to be trusted, nut it's my read nonetheless.
I guess I can see the spirit of your vote if you truly think I'm fabricating my thought process around whether or not Mafia would have been more likely than Town to stir the pot at the end of day 1 just to serve myself. If people are lying in this game it would be more likely that they are Mafia than Town I supposed. I just wish you'd recall that even if I was being disingenuous and self-serving, it wouldn't even be out of character for me as a Townie.
A few games ago I used not realizing that vanilla townies received a PM at the beginning of the game. Last game (maybe 2 ago) you noticed that I made a vote switch that was similar to a fateful vote switch that I made when we were mafia together in my first game. I latched on to that to try to prove my Township later on in the game. So even if you were right about this all being self-serving, it would still be on townie jortles brand.
But the reason I planted the flag in my initial post and am not trying to use interesting ways to prove I'm Town so far in this game is because I'm a little apathetic about my ability to do so. I personally think that everyone should be working to convince the rest of Town that they are Town, but explaining things only seems to hurt people in this group. It's an uphill battle that just isn't worth it. People get punished for explanations and being active... me and maddog right now for instance. You weren't 100% sold on my explanation, but Maddog certainly didn't hurt himself yet by saying nothing along with his vote.... even when asked.
Fair enough. I’ve recognized as much that I’m not 100% on my vote and that I’m not saying you’re mafia. I just tend to find people trying to prove themselves as town a little suspicious/disingenuous because that amount of brainpower should be used for finding mafia.
I do always seem to have a Town read on Kanye. I'll make fun of myself for Mafia 117 for as long as I am a member of inforoo. My reads on Kanye are not to be trusted, nut it's my read nonetheless.
I guess I can see the spirit of your vote if you truly think I'm fabricating my thought process around whether or not Mafia would have been more likely than Town to stir the pot at the end of day 1 just to serve myself. If people are lying in this game it would be more likely that they are Mafia than Town I supposed. I just wish you'd recall that even if I was being disingenuous and self-serving, it wouldn't even be out of character for me as a Townie.
A few games ago I used not realizing that vanilla townies received a PM at the beginning of the game. Last game (maybe 2 ago) you noticed that I made a vote switch that was similar to a fateful vote switch that I made when we were mafia together in my first game. I latched on to that to try to prove my Township later on in the game. So even if you were right about this all being self-serving, it would still be on townie jortles brand.
But the reason I planted the flag in my initial post and am not trying to use interesting ways to prove I'm Town so far in this game is because I'm a little apathetic about my ability to do so. I personally think that everyone should be working to convince the rest of Town that they are Town, but explaining things only seems to hurt people in this group. It's an uphill battle that just isn't worth it. People get punished for explanations and being active... me and maddog right now for instance. You weren't 100% sold on my explanation, but Maddog certainly didn't hurt himself yet by saying nothing along with his vote.... even when asked.
Fair enough. I’ve recognized as much that I’m not 100% on my vote and that I’m not saying you’re mafia. I just tend to find people trying to prove themselves as town a little suspicious/disingenuous because that amount of brainpower should be used for finding mafia.
Ok I understand where you are coming from with that last sentence. We can debate that later. I just want people to know that I do see a ton of value in a townie successfully convincing other townies of their Township. But thats not what Ive tried to do here or anywhere in this game yet. Largely because I dont believe in my ability to do it after 117.
Just did a re-read. I had initially commented on Jortles' idea that it'd be a good idea to focus on those who haven't really been contributing and throw them in the run-off. I still think that's a good idea. Moreover, though Potent and JTR were similar in basically just voting and not explaining those votes, JTR went on doing that without getting called out for whatever reason. I will say, though, that I still think it's very possible that Jortles presented this strategy as mafia trying to manipulate the game, and that the mafia members were/are actually significant contributors to the game thus far.
Other notes: - SFA reads as towny as anyone atm. Transparency (i.e., acknowledging when he overlooks things/makes mistakes *without* getting called out first), tons of input contribution, etc. However, this could just as well be him as mafia doing a really good job of coming across as helpful. Kanye did, however, note that his play style was different right now than it was when they were mafia together. Idk. I still don’t feel 100% confident either way though, obviously. - MD hasn’t contributed all that much in a while, though a lot of his early posts provided some valuable information despite being brief (e.g., which players slipped out of runoffs). My experience with him playing as a special role, whether it be mafia or inspector, is that he’s definitely more engaged from the jump than he has been. Maybe he’s taking a new approach, but idk. I just don’t get the vibe he’s trying to drive the game in any way outside of providing a few thoughts here and there, so that bodes well for him as town as well in my mind. - Tainted’s strategy isn’t any less weird upon re-read lol. I really hope he wasn’t inspector, but if he was, his only hints were towards Potent and Kanye (mostly Potent). Honestly though he was probably just town who didn’t feel like playing anymore lmao. - I'm pretty neutral on most everyone else. As a side note, I think it would be funny if Jortles and Kanye were mafia together with how they always interact in these games (how much they go back and forth, and particularly in this game, with Jortles constantly stating that he’s bad at reading Kanye and expressing discomfort when Kanye doesn’t frustrate him lmao). I have no significant reason to think this will happen, but yeah, I’d laugh if it turned out to be the case.
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Post by Silver Surfer on May 28, 2019 10:47:51 GMT -5
So after my reread I am left with nothing but straws to grasp at but here goes nothing.
The only thing I can come up with as to why tainted would come across as inspector is this. Tainted continuously wanted to be in the runoff and when I asked him about it he said he was "stratergizing." Why would being lynched be part of your strategy? Then I go back to what SFA said about a possible typo when taint said "it isn't time for me to stay yet." This leads to me two scenarios
1) tainted wanted to seem like he was okay with dying because inspector wouldn't want to be killed. This would throw mafia off his scent. 2) if the typo was meant to say "say" instead of "stay" then possibly he had a name of someone that is good at pretending to be town and wanted to get that name out there.
If scenario 1 is the real reason then it doesn't really point to anyone. If it's scenario 2 it points to anyone that someone had a town lead on. That would mean Thor, Dan, and Tainted. Thor and Tainted are dead so I guess Dan is left. Unless Thor was tainteds given name. This is based off the post where Dan said that he thinks all 3 in the runoff are town because it is quiet. Other people
So now based on scenario 2 there are a couple possible readings.
1) Thor is mafia 2) Dan is mafia
If Thor was mafia, I doubt potent would be mafia since he essentially killed Thor.
If Dan is mafia, potent would be a potential teammate since he saved him.
If we look at voting though I think we can eliminate Dan as mafia if tainted was inspector. Dan switched his vote from jaz to Thor effectively voting with taint. Most of the time inspector won't vote with their given name, and I would have expected taint to switch if that were the case.
So honestly I think based on this we shouldn't rule out Thor as mafia. Which would mean we could look at vote splits in the final runoff. I would go with 2 on Dan and 1 on Thor as the possible split.
Dan voters: Jortles, SFA, Jaz, MD, Thor (lynched)
Thor voters: Taint(whacked), Dan, Agar, Kanye, JTR, Potent
I think you can narrow down the possible mafia voter on Thor to just Me(Kanye), JTR, and Agar because of reasoning I have already stated (I doubt potent would outright lynch his mafia teammate, and if taint was inspector with Dan's I don't think he would vote with Dan).
Then the possible two (one woukd be thor) on Dan would come down to one of Jortles, SFA, Maddog, and Jaz.
This means that there are two mafia out of Kanye, JTR, Jaz, Maddog, SFA, Agar, and Jortles. If you are town you can eliminate yourself. In this case I will take my name out since I am town. So there is a 2/5 chance of nailing one here. I already mentioned I lean town on jortles and SFA so honestly it's down to 2/3 for me (JTR, Agar, and Jaz).
I'm gonna go with JTR here because like I said earlier I don't like "gut feeling" votes and he hasn't contributed too much.
My feeling is that, in this little thing of ours, the pot needs to be stirred and then the stirred pot needs to be analyzed.
"This thing of ours" = "la cosa nostra" in Italian = code for Mafia
Are you a Mafia who's just stupid brazen enough to out yourself in the thread?
Are you discounting the possibility of Jortles meaning mafia as in the game? As opposed to him being mafia. I read it as the Game of Mafia being "this thing of ours", having nothing to do with his role. If it turns out that's what he meant I'll feel like an ass, but...
"This thing of ours" = "la cosa nostra" in Italian = code for Mafia
Are you a Mafia who's just stupid brazen enough to out yourself in the thread?
Are you discounting the possibility of Jortles meaning mafia as in the game? As opposed to him being mafia. I read it as the Game of Mafia being "this thing of ours", having nothing to do with his role. If it turns out that's what he meant I'll feel like an ass, but...
I considered that, but hubris is generally one of the more reliable traits in most people...
Are you discounting the possibility of Jortles meaning mafia as in the game? As opposed to him being mafia. I read it as the Game of Mafia being "this thing of ours", having nothing to do with his role. If it turns out that's what he meant I'll feel like an ass, but...
I considered that, but hubris is generally one of the more reliable traits in most people...
As long as you considered it, that's all I care about, I'm fine coming to a different conclusion as long as we considered everything.
My feeling is that, in this little thing of ours, the pot needs to be stirred and then the stirred pot needs to be analyzed.
"This thing of ours" = "la cosa nostra" in Italian = code for Mafia
Are you a Mafia who's just stupid brazen enough to out yourself in the thread?
That is the reference I was making - glad you picked up on it. However, if you read the rest of the sentence I'm clearly saying "In this game that we play, the pot needs..."
Post by Jake Jortles on May 28, 2019 11:29:47 GMT -5
Either scenario requires a switch next round, so I don't care too much in general. My instinct is that 4 is better just for the sake of keeping as many options in play for as long as possible. Especially since I know that I am Town... I personally know that a 3way leaves us with only 2 possible Mafia candidates out of 8 other players. Not loving that.
I'm noticing something possibly interesting but waiting until JTR votes to see if it pans out. I'm solely typing this to remind myself to check for it later.
I'm noticing something possibly interesting but waiting until JTR votes to see if it pans out. I'm solely typing this to remind myself to check for it later.
Let’s hope he votes soon. I think he’s working right now
Post by Cookin' Mama on May 28, 2019 12:33:34 GMT -5
I'm going to assume the Tainted whack was meant to find inspector. I think that's probably the better bet than assuming they didn't want to give town anything to go on. I also remember someone (can't remember who) saying a few games back that mafia really only goes for inspector with their whacks when we haven't had a reveal and that's always stuck to me since reading it. Obviously this isn't always the case but I think it's a better bet. So assuming they thought Tainted was inspector, he had the post about him strategizing. And at the time of this post we had this runoff:
Thor - 4 (Taint, Dan, Agar, Kanye) Dan - 4 (Jortles, SFA, Potent, Jaz) Taint - 3 (Thor, Maddog, JTR)
Tainted as inspector would probably not vote along side his given name. Given the two people Tainted hinted at, Kanye and Potent,
