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Post by thepiratepenguin on Sept 10, 2022 12:45:27 GMT -5
Received a free email offer just for Sunday, which is the day I care about most anyway, but wow. Absolutely not saying no to that, but there's no way in hell this festival happens again.
Received a free email offer just for Sunday, which is the day I care about most anyway, but wow. Absolutely not saying no to that, but there's no way in hell this festival happens again.
I was just going to ask if anyone got an offer for Sunday. I've gotten for Friday and Saturday, but I only want to go Sunday.
I feel like such an idiot for buying these tickets full price lol
If it makes you feel better, that's how I felt about No Picnic and last year's Ohana.
And no clue how they're determining how to distribute the daily offers. I will say that between this and Ticketmaster accidentally paying me twice yesterday for tickets I sold (hoping they don't notice), it's been a productive 24 hours for fucking Live Nation out of some of the money they've cheated over the years.
Post by chrisgonzo on Sept 10, 2022 15:16:24 GMT -5
This whole thing is actually pretty nice to see go down. we got confirmation emails for our free passes so im assuming its legit. my worst fear is getting to will call to receive my "free" passes with the email and my ID and they just go "what giveaway? huh? what? I don't know what that is" and causing a whole ordeal
Received a free email offer just for Sunday, which is the day I care about most anyway, but wow. Absolutely not saying no to that, but there's no way in hell this festival happens again.
Nope. Live Nation will not hesitate to cut the cord. They had to endure this for 3 years now and will soon be rid of it. I think theyre gonna stick with one day genre niche ones now since those have done the best for them. They wish every fest was a When We Were Young. And to think they thought they were gonna be able to kneecap Goldenvoice lol.
Very nice. Obviously no lack of chances to see Warpaint in LA (had no idea they were opening one of the Duran Duran Bowl shows), but they bring it every time.
Lol at "future editions of the festival". Yeah, future editions in Spain or Latin America.
Very nice. Obviously no lack of chances to see Warpaint in LA (had no idea they were opening one of the Duran Duran Bowl shows), but they bring it every time.
Lol at "future editions of the festival". Yeah, future editions in Spain or Latin America.
Solid add at the very last second. Having said that, I just saw them at Psycho LV, so I'll be checking out Shanti Celeste b2b ISAbella instead.
Received a free email offer just for Sunday, which is the day I care about most anyway, but wow. Absolutely not saying no to that, but there's no way in hell this festival happens again.
I was just going to ask if anyone got an offer for Sunday. I've gotten for Friday and Saturday, but I only want to go Sunday.
DoLa. They have a monthly subscription for tickets.
they have this program for other cities as well, called DoMore. Most of my offers have been bullshit but ive gotten Dead and Co field tix and was offered tix for Chet Faker and Outlaw Festival which I couldnt attend
La times on the fest. So cap is 25k and they plan to stay. Although i dont know what they think theyre gonna cook up to make people really freak out and sell it out. Wish they would acknowledge all the giveaways they did to inflate the numbers
In June, Barcelona’s marquee music festival, Primavera Sound, returned after two pandemic-thwarted years away. Headlined by Dua Lipa, Lorde, Gorillaz and Tyler, the Creator, the fest brought in 66,000 fans per day for two weeks’ worth of shows on the Mediterranean waterfront.
“The return in Barcelona was special,” said Alfonso Lanza, Primavera Sound’s co-director. “The atmosphere was so excited, people were eager to party. There was a lot of joy.”
When Primavera Sound makes it long-awaited L.A. debut Sept. 16-18 at the 25,000-capacity Los Angeles State Historic Park in Chinatown, it will enter a confusing environment for festivals in Southern California. Primavera has a solid chance for success — it has edgy-yet-mainstream headliners Lorde, Nine Inch Nails and Arctic Monkeys, a Live Nation production partnership and an international reputation as one of the world’s best-run, best-attended music gatherings.
But Primavera is also landing in a shaky market for festivals. Supply-chain and staffing issues, a rush of post-COVID-19 competition, spiraling inflation and a fan base burned by past cancellations (not to mention heat waves) have made this summer and fall’s festival circuit as bumpy as last year’s live-music comeback.
“There’s a lot of chaos right now and it’s really unpredictable, especially when it comes to ticket sales,” said Dave Brooks, senior director of live music and touring at Billboard. “People’s buying habits at the beginning of the year changed by the time midyear came through. People were more discerning with costs going up. There are a lot of options, and everything is getting harder to predict. There’s softness everywhere.”
“I’m told L.A. is a very last-minute market for ticket buyers,” Lanza said. “We’re seeing that two weeks before the festival, but we’re really positive about it.” (Currently, three-day, $425 general admission passes are selling for less than $200 on StubHub.) “This is the first edition, there’s a lot to be tried. But the plan is to stay and grow.”
The flagship Barcelona edition of Primavera Sound expanded from a local event for a few thousand fans in the early 2000s into one of Europe’s most beloved and influential festivals. Nestled in the charmingly brutalist Parc del Fòrum, the festival meshes into Barcelona’s famously decadent nightlife for weeks of off-site shows and clubbing alongside the main event. In recent years, the festival has expanded into Portugal, Argentina, Chile and Brazil.
When Primavera first eyed a U.S. edition in 2019, L.A. was a natural entry point as the country’s largest festival market, with a deep fan base for Primavera’s edgy Latin, hip-hop and indie sounds.
The COVID-19 pandemic upended everyone’s festival plans for close to two years. But few anticipated the sheer strangeness of the late-2022 festival market.
Although Coachella returned in full force this year, some marquee events, like Goldenvoice’s hip-hop-centric Day N Vegas and alt-Latino Viva L.A., and the ’90s alt-rock fest Flannel Nation in Long Beach, canceled outright, reportedly due to low ticket sales. Goldenvoice’s Palomino Festival, held at Brookside at the Rose Bowl and starring Kacey Musgraves and Willie Nelson, appeared well short of a full house. Rosarito, Mexico’s Baja Beach Fest, a major emerging festival in the contemporary Latin scene, took place just as the area was paralyzed by cartel violence. (The festival continued even as the U.S. Consulate in nearby Tijuana ordered government officials to shelter in place.) After deadly tragedies at last year’s Astroworld and Once Upon a Time in L.A. festivals, safety concerns are on fans’ minds as well.
Joe Berchtold, Live Nation Entertainment’s president and chief financial officer, maintained that, so far, 2022 has been a banner year for its SoCal and U.S. festival market in spite of inflation, with attendance up 50% over 2019. “Fests are like start-ups, it takes a few years to nurture and build them,” he said. “Absolutely we saw cost inflation, but we could mitigate better than others with growth on the sponsorship side, food and beverage and the high-end VIP market.”
Representatives for the AEG-owned Goldenvoice declined to comment for this story.
Other promoters debuting or returning to L.A. after a few years away acknowledge that the pandemic was apocalyptic for live music and, post-comeback, no one quite knows what fans are willing to pay for.
“Yeah, there are issues. Inflation and a potential recession are factors we considered,” said Matt Zingler, co-founder of the hip-hop festival Rolling Loud, which will move to Inglewood’s Hollywood Park in 2023.
“We’ve seen several copycat festivals cancel this year, and I think you’ll see more of that,” added co-founder Tariq Cherif. ”The festivals that’ll endure this storm will be strong brands that exist already. It’s a very tough time to launch a new festival.”
“We had to take a strong look at our budget,” said Jason Miller, chief executive of Eventim Live Asia, which is co-producing October’s new K-pop mega-event Kamp at the Rose Bowl. “Any time you’re throwing a large-scale event, things get expensive. Coming out of COVID-19, costs are even higher than I expected, and that’s the biggest factor right now.”
Billboard’s Brooks said that L.A.’s festival regulars have been spooked by years of event and artist cancellations and COVID-19 concerns. Inflation raised prices for promoters and made audiences less ready to pull the trigger on tickets.
“Goldenvoice and Live Nation really went after it this year being aggressive with festivals; it was almost almost a land grab for L.A.,” Brooks said. “Now people are waiting much longer to buy tickets because they know they can get better deals if they wait, and having gone through COVID-19, shaky promoters were not upfront with refunds. Fans are thinking, ’Is this event going to actually happen?’”
Lanza said that although Primavera Sound in L.A. has run up against the usual issues every concert promoter faces, “The process has been normal. We’ve had three years years to prepare, so in that sense it’s been easier.” Primavera will replicate its city-takeover model with shows by acts like Giveon, Darkside, Bad Gyal and Drain Gang at Live Nation venues around L.A. the week of the fest.
There have been some local festival success stories. Brooks cited Live Nation’s When We Were Young, the emo nostalgia fest in Las Vegas debuting in October, as a surprise hit that expanded to two weekends after an instant sellout.
Charlie Walker, co-founder of Live Nation-affiliated promoter C3 Presents, which produces Lollapalooza in Chicago among many festivals, agreed that those genre- or era-driven festivals like When We Were Young and the R&B and hip-hop throwback Lovers & Friends will likely continue growing. “A lot of streaming during the pandemic showed people going back into catalogs looking for snapshots in time,” he said. “That appears to have staying power.”
But even Lanza acknowledges that the festival market is in something of a standoff right now. Fans want to see live music after two years away, but not every debut will stick, and some longtime events won’t make it through.
“In Europe and the U.S. there are a lot of festivals, and in the coming years not all are going to survive,” he said. “The key is to have a story. It’s not just about building a lineup.” .