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What states is he going to win that he didn’t win last time? Why?
Because people who were originally on the #NeverTrump bandwagon are starting to come around. The left is so much of a clusterfuck that they are making him seem like the most stable option.
So people who weren't statistically significant enough to turn the last election are going to switch and make it a "landslide".
If you can’t see that Trump is about to win in a landslide, then you really shouldn’t be commenting on politics.
And I thought I was pessimistic. He will with that attitude. I'll go down fighting to the end to stop that shit. And I'm going to keep commenting on politics.
Ah yes, the “Obama was just as bad” lie Republicans tell themselves so they can sleep at night.
Obama did the exact same things. So did Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc.
I really don’t care who wins, because the presidency is just a spectacle that truly has zero control over the general population. It’s the people behind the scenes that pull the strings, and no election will ever change that. I’m just saying Trump is easily winning 2020 at this rate, because I’m smarter than you and can see it.
Obama did the exact same things. So did Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc.
I really don’t care who wins, because the presidency is just a spectacle that truly has zero control over the general population. It’s the people behind the scenes that pull the strings, and no election will ever change that. I’m just saying Trump is easily winning 2020 at this rate, because I’m smarter than you and can see it.
I missed the UBI discussion before the current derailment but I feel like if landlords knew everyone suddenly had more disposable income, rents would go WAAAAAAY up and probably only exacerbate current class stratification. Also I'd much prefer universal healthcare. Also also if we're being honest, a lot of smart, well-intentioned people would squander the fuck outta $1,000 a month. If people were generally somewhat literate with money then credit card debt wouldn't be what it is. UBI isn't going to change any of that.
I missed the UBI discussion before the current derailment but I feel like if landlords knew everyone suddenly had more disposable income, rents would go WAAAAAAY up and probably only exacerbate current class stratification. Also I'd much prefer universal healthcare. Also also if we're being honest, a lot of smart, well-intentioned people would squander the fuck outta $1,000 a month. If people were generally somewhat literate with money then credit card debt wouldn't be what it is. UBI isn't going to change any of that.
Can you go into how you imagine people squandering /abusing the $1,000?
I mentioned that the rent inflation is a problem Yang will have to figure out. However, what's the worse case scenario? We end up where we are right now after adjusting for the inflation? He has said he will increase the UBI to stay in line with inflation. Finally, he does want to reform zoning laws to encourage more affordable housing options.
Housing is not a monopolized market, so it could just be the case that a few apartment companies raise their prices in ridiculous fashion and others choose not to. Would be a guaranteed win for the ethical housing business that doesn't hike their prices.
Again, I still view this as one of the big final moves he needs to figure out, but I don't think it should be the sole reason to rule out UBI at this point.
I missed the UBI discussion before the current derailment but I feel like if landlords knew everyone suddenly had more disposable income, rents would go WAAAAAAY up and probably only exacerbate current class stratification. Also I'd much prefer universal healthcare. Also also if we're being honest, a lot of smart, well-intentioned people would squander the fuck outta $1,000 a month. If people were generally somewhat literate with money then credit card debt wouldn't be what it is. UBI isn't going to change any of that.
Can you go into how you imagine people squandering /abusing the $1,000?
I know a lot of people who waste money on lottery tickets and then when they eventually win some money they use that money to buy more (losing) lottery tickets. Could see it being similar to that.
We have a real problem here where many people spend money before they even have it in their possession. Obviously not everyone but I'm sure a good amount of folks wouldn't wisely invest/save
Can you go into how you imagine people squandering /abusing the $1,000?
I know a lot of people who waste money on lottery tickets and then when they eventually win some money they use that money to buy more (losing) lottery tickets. Could see it being similar to that.
We have a real problem here where many people spend money before they even have it in their possession. Obviously not everyone but I'm sure a good amount of folks wouldn't wisely invest/save
Don't you think the trade off would be worth it here? I'm at peace with some gamblers continuing to gamble. But I think you'd actually see quite a few people buy less lottery tickets because they would be less desperate.
The people who do use the extra money to purchase car repairs they've been putting off, pay a tutor for their children, eat out on the town, etc... will be much more common than the person buying $1,000 worth of additional lottery tickets.
But also, if someone buys a shitload of Lottery tickets, who cares? Who does that harm? It isn't like credit card debt where they would be creating a new hole for themselves.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 24, 2019 15:07:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's been shown to be true that poor people / welfare recipients are especially irresponsible with their money either. And I think that an influx of cash will just give them more ability to make better decisions.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jun 24, 2019 15:07:31 GMT -5
The lottery ticket example is just a way to show people not being smart with their money. I don't think most people would spend the $1000 on lotto tickets.
The lottery ticket example is just a way to show people not being smart with their money. I don't think most people would spend the $1000 on lotto tickets.
I was hoping you'd hit me with a list. The lottery example, along with drugs and alcohol, are pretty objectively bad ways to spend your money, but a lot of unnecessary consumption would actually be helpful to local small businesses that are currently struggling. That's where I was trying to go with that.
What percentage of people who actually need help already have a grand of aid?
Why is anyone letting meme candidate discussion dominate this thread again?
A great question which I've struggled to find a good article for. There are absolutely many situations where people wouldn't need to opt in to Yangs plan, but then you still have to think about how Yang's plan would incentive those people to improve their financial standing.
If someone is receiving $30k in welfare benefits currently, they may be nervous if they start progressing up the ladder at work in fear of losing some of that 30k dues to no longer qualifying for it. Let's say the husband is receiving 15k in benefits and the wife is also receiving 15k. If one of them lands a 35k job and loses a significant portion of that 15k, they can opt in to the UBI and be motivated to continue progressing.
I missed the UBI discussion before the current derailment but I feel like if landlords knew everyone suddenly had more disposable income, rents would go WAAAAAAY up and probably only exacerbate current class stratification. Also I'd much prefer universal healthcare. Also also if we're being honest, a lot of smart, well-intentioned people would squander the fuck outta $1,000 a month. If people were generally somewhat literate with money then credit card debt wouldn't be what it is. UBI isn't going to change any of that.
I missed it as well and as someone that is less a than $60K/year and has life threatening asthma, I want universal healthcare. Yeah, $1000 a month extra would be fantastic, but I currently spend $240/month on my medicines alone. Also, my insurance doesn't cover my breathing treatment medicine which is over $400 for only 4 dose. FOUR. That isn't even a full script. A full prescription is usually a box and has 50 doses. I used to have to go to the Urgent Care or ER pretty often, when my asthma wasn't under control. Those numbers don't include my broken wrist last year that cost me over $6000 with insurance when everything was said and done. Or any of the other doctor visits/MRI's or what not. Not having that debt right now would be awesome. All those numbers quickly add up.
Also, do you think that poor families without social services can really live off $1000/month instead of their welfare checks, section 8 housing vouchers and food stamps?
What states is he going to win that he didn’t win last time? Why?
Because people who were originally on the #NeverTrump bandwagon are starting to come around. The left is so much of a clusterfuck that they are making him seem like the most stable option.
Because people who were originally on the #NeverTrump bandwagon are starting to come around. The left is so much of a clusterfuck that they are making him seem like the most stable option.
Says who?
Prepare for a list of hot garbage about identity politics and militant campus radicals. Your basic Youtube intellectual understanding of the world. "People on the left are making me vote for the rapist, white supremacist dumbshit that puts children in cages. It's all on them."
I think one of the major reasons we feel like we are taking crazy pills all the time is because of posters like this new guy, wtfisgoingonatroo17.
99% of our posts will be in depth, data-driven, fact-based discussions about current events and differences between candidates, all with the same overall theme: we want Trump out of the White House.
But at the end of the day, his "prediction" about Trump winning in a landslide with zero explanation is just as likely as any of our candidates winning. Because our country is fucking Murphy's Law.
I missed the UBI discussion before the current derailment but I feel like if landlords knew everyone suddenly had more disposable income, rents would go WAAAAAAY up and probably only exacerbate current class stratification. Also I'd much prefer universal healthcare. Also also if we're being honest, a lot of smart, well-intentioned people would squander the fuck outta $1,000 a month. If people were generally somewhat literate with money then credit card debt wouldn't be what it is. UBI isn't going to change any of that.
Can you go into how you imagine people squandering /abusing the $1,000?
The fact that we are collectively over $1 trillion in credit card debt answers that question. We collectively are excellent at squandering money we don't even have. Of course we'll squander money that feels like it's freely given to us. Sure, a lot of that total figure of CC debt is interest and people obviously use CCs to cover car troubles and emergencies and whatnot whatnot, but my point is that Americans are great at buying things we don't need. Another example would be the majority of people who get say, a $12K raise and still find themselves living paycheck to paycheck. In theory I like UBI and was quite for it at one point (also to clarify - I don't care about Yang and I'm not discussing Yang, just the idea of UBI), but lifestyle creep and consumer culture and general terrible money management skills are deep-seated issues that UBI won't touch. Not that I have answers for changing any of the above.