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Can you go into how you imagine people squandering /abusing the $1,000?
The fact that we are collectively over $1 trillion in credit card debt answers that question. We collectively are excellent at squandering money we don't even have. Of course we'll squander money that feels like it's freely given to us. Sure, a lot of that total figure of CC debt is interest and people obviously use CCs to cover car troubles and emergencies and whatnot whatnot, but my point is that Americans are great at buying things we don't need. Another example would be the majority of people who get say, a $12K raise and still find themselves living paycheck to paycheck. In theory I like UBI and was quite for it at one point (also to clarify - I don't care about Yang and I'm not discussing Yang, just the idea of UBI), but lifestyle creep and consumer culture and general terrible money management skills are deep-seated issues that UBI won't touch. Not that I have answers for changing any of the above.
I was hoping you would explain what everyone will waste the money on, because that dumb consumption would presumably strengthen the local economy and result in a more enjoyable life for the consumer than the one they are currently living.
Im not sold that this is the end all be all best way to address the unprecedented job displacement we are about to face, but I also haven’t seen a better proposal. And I like the idea of thinking about it now rather than 10 years from now.
The fact that we are collectively over $1 trillion in credit card debt answers that question. We collectively are excellent at squandering money we don't even have. Of course we'll squander money that feels like it's freely given to us. Sure, a lot of that total figure of CC debt is interest and people obviously use CCs to cover car troubles and emergencies and whatnot whatnot, but my point is that Americans are great at buying things we don't need. Another example would be the majority of people who get say, a $12K raise and still find themselves living paycheck to paycheck. In theory I like UBI and was quite for it at one point (also to clarify - I don't care about Yang and I'm not discussing Yang, just the idea of UBI), but lifestyle creep and consumer culture and general terrible money management skills are deep-seated issues that UBI won't touch. Not that I have answers for changing any of the above.
I was hoping you would explain what everyone will waste the money on, because that dumb consumption would presumably strengthen the local economy and result in a more enjoyable life for the consumer than the one they are currently living.
Im not sold that this is the end all be all best way to address the unprecedented job displacement we are about to face, but I also haven’t seen a better proposal. And I like the idea of thinking about it now rather than 10 years from now.
What do you think it will get wasted on? All the bullshit that we waste our extra money on now. Look at your budget and see all that consumer bullshit that's "extra" that's what it'll get spent on. Oh don't have a budget? Point further proven.
UBI, might be something needed down the road, but right now people need health insurance that they can afford and won't lose life saving on if something happens to them or a family member.
Also, once again I am a 35K (less than 60k) household. I want fucking health insurance.
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consumer spending is still the biggest chunk of the economy by far. The 90’s targeted tax cuts proved to be very effective in stimulating the economy. I think it was considered to be 85% of the economy then. So did some early Obama projects like cash for clunkers and all the energy efficiency upgrade grants on hvac’s and appliances. As a general rule we might all piss through too much money. But you can’t get new or fixed shit if you can’t afford it. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with a basic income. I don’t know. And I’m not promoting the virtues of spending habits of Americans. Assuming a basic income didn’t come with hard inflationary pressures, you could imagine how far an extra grand a month could go. That’s easily a car note plus 600 +/- left over for whatever. You have to expect the majority of it to be returned to the economy.
This is the boomer nonsense I see on a daily basis. This was on a post about how people in urban food deserts don’t get enough fruits and veggies in their diets
Raise hogs, burn wood, bury your trash(?)... how do these people think anyone in the inner city has these options?
I was hoping you would explain what everyone will waste the money on, because that dumb consumption would presumably strengthen the local economy and result in a more enjoyable life for the consumer than the one they are currently living.
Im not sold that this is the end all be all best way to address the unprecedented job displacement we are about to face, but I also haven’t seen a better proposal. And I like the idea of thinking about it now rather than 10 years from now.
What do you think it will get wasted on? All the bullshit that we waste our extra money on now. Look at your budget and see all that consumer bullshit that's "extra" that's what it'll get spent on. Oh don't have a budget? Point further proven.
UBI, might be something needed down the road, but right now people need health insurance that they can afford and won't lose life saving on if something happens to them or a family member.
Also, once again I am a 35K (less than 60k) household. I want fucking health insurance.
Its odd watching you guys find ways to argue against directly giving tens of millions of people money that would obviously improve their lives because you are worried about how irresponsible people will spend it. Honestly seems like that would come from the right which is why its surprising me.
Totally fine with your prioritization of M4A > UBI. I think UBI needs to happen now in addition to healthcare reform and so does Yang. His second policy is medicare for all (kinda bs version of it) though im not denying that if that is your #1 concern, yang shouldn't be your top candidate.
I cant picture Bernie passing the M4A we would all want, whereas I think if the random single issue candidate actually rose from nothing to win, he would be able to pass this bill and almost instantly begin helping tons of people, even if some of them choose to spend some of their newfound funds on Doritos.
I personally am not saying people are going to blow extra money on shit, I mean it is human nature and they probably will, but I just think it's hilarious that you need exacts when talking about that platform. It seems very important to you.
Just like my priority, 100%, is health care. As someone that currently doesn't have it, it seems like kind of a big deal, especially since I have all these pre-existing conditions and a uterus. So yeah, it's way up higher on my list than UBI. Along with other things that are a bit more pressing to me at this current juncture in time.
This is the boomer nonsense I see on a daily basis. This was on a post about how people in urban food deserts don’t get enough fruits and veggies in their diets
Raise hogs, burn wood, bury your trash(?)... how do these people think anyone in the inner city has these options?
It's bizarre that they think that this experience is applicable to more than 1% of the American population, if that.
This is the boomer nonsense I see on a daily basis. This was on a post about how people in urban food deserts don’t get enough fruits and veggies in their diets
Raise hogs, burn wood, bury your trash(?)... how do these people think anyone in the inner city has these options?
I don't get how people go through hardship and their natural inclination isn't to prevent others from going through the same. Instead it's just "I had to deal with it, so what if you do too". I can't relate to people who come to rest in this sort of perspective on the world.
Why bother with people who post stupid Facebook comments?
You’re kinda missing the point, that’s the mindset progressives are up against. That comment isn’t an aberration, it’s a pretty damn pervasive feeling among a lot of boomers.
Why bother with people who post stupid Facebook comments?
You’re kinda missing the point, that’s the mindset progressives are up against. That comment isn’t an aberration, it’s a pretty damn pervasive feeling among a lot of boomers.
I missed the UBI discussion before the current derailment but I feel like if landlords knew everyone suddenly had more disposable income, rents would go WAAAAAAY up and probably only exacerbate current class stratification. Also I'd much prefer universal healthcare. Also also if we're being honest, a lot of smart, well-intentioned people would squander the fuck outta $1,000 a month. If people were generally somewhat literate with money then credit card debt wouldn't be what it is. UBI isn't going to change any of that.
Can you go into how you imagine people squandering /abusing the $1,000?
I mentioned that the rent inflation is a problem Yang will have to figure out. However, what's the worse case scenario? We end up where we are right now after adjusting for the inflation? He has said he will increase the UBI to stay in line with inflation. Finally, he does want to reform zoning laws to encourage more affordable housing options.
Housing is not a monopolized market, so it could just be the case that a few apartment companies raise their prices in ridiculous fashion and others choose not to. Would be a guaranteed win for the ethical housing business that doesn't hike their prices.
Again, I still view this as one of the big final moves he needs to figure out, but I don't think it should be the sole reason to rule out UBI at this point.
There were Yang people at Firefly this weekend. I had an extra pass and offered them the pass and they declined. Bad sign imo
Post by potentpotables on Jun 25, 2019 6:16:07 GMT -5
I'm going to rant locally for a minute here. Our Democratic governor just won reelection last November in a blowout against a Trump-like Republican, he won by like 16 points. Democrats made gains in both the State House and State Senate, cutting 30 and 8 seat margins to like 8 and 4, putting both houses of the legislature in play in 2020. This governor went like 7 months in his first year in office, against huge GOP majorities, without a budget because they couldn't agree. Now that he has won a resounding reelection is when he proposes the most Republican-like budget to date, looking like he'll get it on time by the end of the week. Even the few progressive priorities like $200/month General Assistance (described as "de minimis") and the two-stepped minimum wage hike in five years ($12 this year, $15 by 2023 or so) the GOP just wouldn't negotiate on, so we're getting a budget without either of those things. But we are making a $200 million deposit into the state's Rainy Day Fund - a GOP priority.
Stuff like this is why Trump could win in 2020. Democrats are their own worst enemies 95% of the time.
This is the boomer nonsense I see on a daily basis. This was on a post about how people in urban food deserts don’t get enough fruits and veggies in their diets
Raise hogs, burn wood, bury your trash(?)... how do these people think anyone in the inner city has these options?
It's bizarre that they think that this experience is applicable to more than 1% of the American population, if that.
It's because their is a huge rural/suburbia complex across this nation that compels them to believe that all people hold property. I have to try to explain to my white friends that it's unusual to me and people like me to know what it's like to own/mortgage 3 different properties and it still be feasible. That we don't have space to grow foods and that Killer Mike and others are openly searching to create that and get heat for their stance on gun control, instead of enhanced for creating business and questioning why we don't grown or own materials. They also forget that their cheap foods and canned foods led to higher cases of death and long term illness that is bankrupting the country, in a backwards manner. Yet. They are the strong and we are the weak. It's fooked.
Oh also. Where the fuck is my 40 acres. With 40 acres I'd grow my own foods, and plot land for both hemp and/or mj plants that heal and support the economy. So can I smack a boomer in the face, or will it cause me to get shot in the streets because they are probably white, male and powerful. Or married to one.
Oh also. Where the fuck is my 40 acres. With 40 acres I'd grow my own foods, and plot land for both hemp and/or mj plants that heal and support the economy. So can I smack a boomer in the face, or will it cause me to get shot in the streets because they are probably white, male and powerful. Or married to one.
I went hunting* once in Catherine, Alabama. One of our attorneys (RIP) had a trailer on some land there that they leased for deer season. It was said that the deer are the largest in Alabama in that area (sort of West Central AL) because of the calcium in the soil. There was a road behind the trailer that went up a hill. I asked him where that went, and apparently it actually went to a ridge where former slaves settled after the Proclimation and farmed the land. Whether or not they got 40 acre parcels or screwed, I don't know. I was also told that a lot of the big linemen that play in the state (and elsewhere) were from that region.
* So I had some chances to kill some shit that day. First was a feral pig that walked under my stand. He was big, fat and white (maybe related to the cops). I had been told to shoot only deer, but they later told me they didn't know there were any pigs on that land. Next comes two female deer about 25 feet away getting a drink in the creek flowing just by the next set of trees across the dirt road. I sighted them and told them "blam" and they scampered off. That wasn't going to be a fair shot since they were just crusing their woods getting some water. In the afternoon, we went to a field where two does were across it. A male came by. This was to be a trophy shoot so I could get a mounted head. I sighted the buck, but he was just trying to get laid and mounted one of the does. I figured, damn, I'd be a real fucking asshole to shoot him at this point. So I didn't. That was probably 20 years ago, and I never went hunting again even though I didn't really hunt that time either. I just figured I didn't need to be killing shit.
A male came by. This was to be a trophy shoot so I could get a mounted head. I sighted the buck, but he was just trying to get laid and mounted one of the does. I figured, damn, I'd be a real fucking asshole to shoot him at this point. So I didn't. That was probably 20 years ago, and I never went hunting again
Liz released a pretty comprehensive plan on voting rights this morning. It covers federal elections but entices states to do the same for their elections. It has a cost of $20 billion (15 for administration, 5 for security) that is paid for by the Ultra Millionaires Tax (which is dubious constitutionally).
As voting rights is the space my wife works in, this is something near and dear to my heart. I think making Election Day a federal holiday is a less great idea, but the rest of it sounds pretty good to me.
As voting rights is the space my wife works in, this is something near and dear to my heart. I think making Election Day a federal holiday is a less great idea, but the rest of it sounds pretty good to me.
What's your thought process on this? I've never heard a good faith opposition to this.
As voting rights is the space my wife works in, this is something near and dear to my heart. I think making Election Day a federal holiday is a less great idea, but the rest of it sounds pretty good to me.
What's your thought process on this? I've never heard a good faith opposition to this.
I'm basing this on nothing substantial or research-based but I've heard people say that many Americans would just treat it like another day off/holiday and it wouldn't necessarily make them go vote. How many people on Labor Day and Memorial Day who have off from work are actually thinking about/celebrating the actual purpose? I could see the same kind of thing happening here.
I'm all for it being a holiday, though. I hate rushing before or after work to the random middle school near my house to wait in line and vote. There was some article or post on reddit recently about how in some countries they have voting booths at other locations that people frequent anyway like supermarkets and stores. That couldn't hurt.
Basically.....it shouldn't be so fucking hard to register and vote.
As voting rights is the space my wife works in, this is something near and dear to my heart. I think making Election Day a federal holiday is a less great idea, but the rest of it sounds pretty good to me.
What's your thought process on this? I've never heard a good faith opposition to this.
I'm not against it, per se, but I don't think it's the best idea in making elections more accessible. First, I prefer other methods of increasing accessibility - auto registration, no fault absentee ballots, vote by mail, early voting, all the VRA stuff with preclearance. I think those get to the idea of increasing access in a better way. Secondly, making Election Day a federal holiday would ensure that banks, schools, and other white collar places would close, but wouldn't guarantee that retail shops and restaurants would close, which doesn't solve the problem for blue collar workers. It also would lead to people needing to get child care for kids if schools were closed, or taking the day off if their workplace wasn't closed.