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It seems to be why she won't sign the Progressive Pledge that TYT put out there that is only 5 major points of progressive policy including single payer.
None of us are surprised about Biden telling affluent donors that their pockets won't be touched, and the status quo will remain as policy in his book... but jesus, is he just so terrible at politics that he doesn't know that people write things down now?
Oh that's just my piggy-backing on Katy Mae Fuck Biden.
Because Fuck Biden. and Fuck these tilted polls / polling structures.
Literally watching polls throw Biden on top of every list when the numbers nearly match Sanders is basically the most infuriating thing ever. It's not even in alphabetical order so there only excuse is bias that he is the fore-runner of the primary no matter what. Because it doesn't threaten them, and it makes them feel secure that Sanders CAN NOT happen.
- I'm disappointed about Warren, but this is true, she's a better "team-player" while also being better at cutting back at other Democrats when necessary. But it starts falling into the Harris and Buttegieg issues of past mistakes that they aren't turning a new leaf on but just trying to keep them quiet.
Post by abefroman1 on Jun 19, 2019 14:48:44 GMT -5
I'm all in with the Fuck Biden crowd but if we're really starting to complain that Warren isn't good enough of a candidate then we deserve to lose. Other than Biden they all are decent candidates. If you haven't noticed the other side is literally fascism. So sorry if that means medicare for all doesn't happen until after 2022. It was always going to be a long fight.
I'm all in with the Fuck Biden crowd but if we're really starting to complain that Warren isn't good enough of a candidate then we deserve to lose. Other than Biden they all are decent candidates. If you haven't noticed the other side is literally fascism. So sorry if that means medicare for all doesn't happen until after 2022. It was always going to be a long fight.
The purpose of a primary is to pick who you think would be the best president. Not to cower in fear and compromise your values before you even start because the other side is scary
How many times have we heard "just wait a little while longer, it's not the right time for progress"?
Post by abefroman1 on Jun 19, 2019 15:55:16 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to another 4 years of Trump because people would rather sit it out in November than compromise a couple personal platform positions. I wonder who will be 2020's Harambe?
I'm really looking forward to another 4 years of Trump because people would rather sit it out in November than compromise a couple personal platform positions. I wonder who will be 2020's Harambe?
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Who is talking about sitting it out in November?
This is the never-ending cycle we see repeated over and over by centrists and liberals when the left wants better candidates.
During the primary: "Don't be divisive, it'll hurt us in the general."
During the general: "Vote blue, no matter who."
During the politician's time in office (Unless they lose, which they often do, being shitty and all): "Well, this isn't the time to attack them, you should do it in the primary."
I'm all in with the Fuck Biden crowd but if we're really starting to complain that Warren isn't good enough of a candidate then we deserve to lose. Other than Biden they all are decent candidates. If you haven't noticed the other side is literally fascism. So sorry if that means medicare for all doesn't happen until after 2022. It was always going to be a long fight.
Not being honest about what disappoints you in a candidate doesn't decide an election.
Look at Obama. He literally told us he wouldn't go after the banks, and that was obvious, but we liked his messaging otherwise; so with a wide strategy he won his election. It's important to identify that it's not about good enough, it's about WHO do you want principally, on an ethics and policy level you want. She still is 10x better than the field behind her, but we can't pretend that she's going to get everything right. And it's delirium to think that any of the candidates would.
I'm really looking forward to another 4 years of Trump because people would rather sit it out in November than compromise a couple personal platform positions. I wonder who will be 2020's Harambe?
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Honestly... this kinda shit is what makes there be warring between progressives and centrists. No progressive with half a fucking brain thinks they will not end up voting D this cycle.
CENTRISTS need to prove they can pull active people during the primary, and their use of divisive tactics and the status quo, is actually damaging to the entire system. You'd think that people would see that after 2016 after the perfect shit storm. But yet. It's progressives fault for actively talking about policy and saying, HEY, this candidate is also being lobbied by the center aisle. This is a thing. It's not just annoying, it's intellectually empty and makes us stay away from our own "liberal" friends.
And I say that quite openly because I have stayed away from mutual friends of emoney and ours because of it, and they don't even see it. They have become so entrenched and have had privileges like multiple houses and a life where work came to the during hard times, that they can't see that maybe it's time to listen and not talk. But they would rather just not talk about it. And that's the hardest shit ever because that can be your own damn family and you know you'll never break through the wall of: "maybe I study this shit, because you are too busy to do so, maybe some of us are trying to help and it's not the way YOU expect us to".
We already fucked up the SCOTUS enough with Trump winning, I will swallow my leftist pride and vote for whoever gets the nomination, but I'm not going to accept Biden as the chosen prince or any bullshit like that. If he gets the nomination, sure, but why are we acting like he's a shoe in?
The idea that candidates shouldn't attack each other in a primary is fuckin dumb.
That's what we were told in 2016 (although that rule only went one direction, obv) and we ended up with a candidate who had no fucking idea how to respond to attacks when there wasn't an army of party yes-men shouting down all dissent as crimethink. Curiously, the GOP did not graciously refrain from going after her on her emails and her Wall Street speeches and her wars and so on, so maybe vetting the candidate in a primary contest instead of a coronation would be a smart idea this time around!
I'm all in with the Fuck Biden crowd but if we're really starting to complain that Warren isn't good enough of a candidate then we deserve to lose. Other than Biden they all are decent candidates. If you haven't noticed the other side is literally fascism. So sorry if that means medicare for all doesn't happen until after 2022. It was always going to be a long fight.
Not being honest about what disappoints you in a candidate doesn't decide an election.
Look at Obama. He literally told us he wouldn't go after the banks, and that was obvious, but we liked his messaging otherwise; so with a wide strategy he won his election. It's important to identify that it's not about good enough, it's about WHO do you want principally, on an ethics and policy level you want. She still is 10x better than the field behind her, but we can't pretend that she's going to get everything right. And it's delirium to think that any of the candidates would.
I'm just frustrated with all the Twitter journalists that want to burn everyone at the stake if they dare not hold all the same values and platform positions. Maybe it's just because Twitter is the worst place on earth, but it's sad seeing people taking blowtorches to each other for the slightest deviance from someone else's personal platform.
Not being honest about what disappoints you in a candidate doesn't decide an election.
Look at Obama. He literally told us he wouldn't go after the banks, and that was obvious, but we liked his messaging otherwise; so with a wide strategy he won his election. It's important to identify that it's not about good enough, it's about WHO do you want principally, on an ethics and policy level you want. She still is 10x better than the field behind her, but we can't pretend that she's going to get everything right. And it's delirium to think that any of the candidates would.
I'm just frustrated with all the Twitter journalists that want to burn everyone at the stake if they dare not hold all the same values and platform positions. Maybe it's just because Twitter is the worst place on earth, but it's sad seeing people taking blowtorches to each other for the slightest deviance from someone else's personal platform.
Not being honest about what disappoints you in a candidate doesn't decide an election.
Look at Obama. He literally told us he wouldn't go after the banks, and that was obvious, but we liked his messaging otherwise; so with a wide strategy he won his election. It's important to identify that it's not about good enough, it's about WHO do you want principally, on an ethics and policy level you want. She still is 10x better than the field behind her, but we can't pretend that she's going to get everything right. And it's delirium to think that any of the candidates would.
I'm just frustrated with all the Twitter journalists that want to burn everyone at the stake if they dare not hold all the same values and platform positions. Maybe it's just because Twitter is the worst place on earth, but it's sad seeing people taking blowtorches to each other for the slightest deviance from someone else's personal platform.
Honestly, this place is sometimes just as dismissive in my opinion. Not everyone, for sure, but a vocal minority.
I'm just frustrated with all the Twitter journalists that want to burn everyone at the stake if they dare not hold all the same values and platform positions. Maybe it's just because Twitter is the worst place on earth, but it's sad seeing people taking blowtorches to each other for the slightest deviance from someone else's personal platform.
Honestly, this place is sometimes just as dismissive in my opinion. Not everyone, for sure, but a vocal minority.
How does one not be dismissive when talking about a primary?
We have literal existential threats on the horizon. We should all have strong opinions on that. I also feel like you're using "dismissive" here as if people aren't expanding on their reasons for feeling the way they do. As if it's just unfair hand-waving with little thought put into it. I think people like myself have been fairly clear on why Warren or Sanders are the only real choices. Even then, I'm far from convinced that will be enough.
It's also really not our fault that most of these candidates suck ass. They chose to be the way they are. Even then, I try to make some effort and point out good things about most of them. At least the ones that arn't easy to ignore.
Just wanted to indicate this is why we are at Fuck Biden.
This isn't about a test for policy, this is him agreeing with segregationists and indicating I will not touch the rich. Who falsely claim to be persecuted yet are the most in power. So. yea, it's important - and I apply the Thisisfine.jpg to that if we just agree not to talk about candidates clear problems.
*I am just being strong about my opinion, and that I've relatively well-researched the topics -- I contest that I've spent much time staying quiet over decades about certain topics to please others. I get viscerally upset now that I've been told that a primary is not supposed to be a true fight of ideas, if it isn't, than we don't have any democracy or attempt at a better America. I have had personal experience with the status quo, and when we don't question the system we have people who are of power and strength control the situation further without question.
NAH SERIOUSLY WTF: "He argued that one of his most prominent critics owed him an apology.
“They know better,” Biden told reporters when asked about the growing condemnation from his Democratic primary opponents, including New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, who earlier in the day had called on Biden to apologize."
Literally his comments are: I voted on some liberal policies, while keeping the status quo and buddying up with other people who were racist. Yet implying they should "know better", and cannot put anymore levels on the implications of shut your mouth, I'm king liberal here and ordained is seeping out of every corner. It's gross and I think people find the fact that he speaks like a normal person most of the time, waaay to into their equation, he also is filled with BS speak about how he basically went with the line and thus is more "progressive". Ugh. You should know better really turned my skin.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Jun 20, 2019 11:34:43 GMT -5
He's telling us he's proud of the status quo he helped create over the last few decades. A situation that brought us endless war, a finacial collaspe, mass imprisonment, massive wealth inequality, etc. It also lead us to fucking Trump.
Not only is he proud of it and wants to serve us up 4 years of the same shit, he thinks it's his right to belittle anyone that disagrees. Most telling he thinks he has the right to talk down to an African American senator like Booker is lesser than him.
Like I give Booker a hard time but fuck this trash so hard.
He's telling us he's proud of the status quo he helped create over the last few decades. A situation that brought us endless war, a finacial collaspe, mass imprisonment, massive wealth inequality, etc. It also lead us to fucking Trump.
Not only is he proud of it snd wanting to serve us up 4 years of the same shit, he thinks it's his right to belittle anyone that disagrees. Most telling he thinks he has the right to talk down to an African American senator like Booker is lesser than him.
Like I give Booker a hard time but fuck this trash so hard.
Booker at least had the balls to roll with the cops sometimes to deal with crime happening in Newark. It was good optics. I give Booker shit for his connections, but he also sees reality better than this guy. I would take a Booker over Biden any day. So that tells you a lot.
Y'all think that polls will start favoring non-Biden candidates once people start dropping out? Biden is the catch-all for uninformed voters at this point.
Post by piggy pablo on Jun 20, 2019 11:52:29 GMT -5
Here and there, but the people who will drop out after the first few primaries are polling at 0-2%, anyway, and some of those should probably not be running in the first place and are likely just doing it for publicity, so I wonder how quickly they even will.
Y'all think that polls will start favoring non-Biden candidates once people start dropping out? Biden is the catch-all for uninformed voters at this point.
No in fact that's my biggest worry, they will re-enforce this idea with tilted poll showings until the Ohio primary.
We are living in an overwhelming time, I know people who are now either more or NOT engaged at all in the process. They even openly ask people fighting for progressive values to "pony up" further and extend themselves to running campaigns. Well some of us, especially black people are fucking tired of being asked to do the hard work for everyone. And that's a reality, plus the rent is too damn high.
Post by bugs bunny funny moments on Jun 20, 2019 12:34:42 GMT -5
Would anyone here actually consider not voting for Biden if he got the nomination? I hear people on here talk about a response to it but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here say they wouldn’t vote for him.
EVERY POC: "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT."
I'm telling you, that is why Bonnaroo succeeded this year too. Diversity. It was fucking diverse and it gives you perspective, and that's necessary to reality. I refuse to not fight for more diversity. I don't take back the words I said that disturbed others last year, because now you have Nazis walking the streets. I will fight for you to think with your mind over your feelings. I will fight for you to feel and that it won't be necessarily more than your heart speaking. This fight is about where we go, not just where we are, and some short term fighting of a possible outcome -- the outcome is spilling out as we engage in war in 8 countries quietly; the outcome is in debt and building up a charalton like Trump through progressive speech that he openly uses in the opposite to *create fascism. The fight is about THIS. and if I have to lose more people to gain more ears and get people to vote with their minds instead of their guts than I will have created purpose. Which is all we have on this planet.
And this planet is burning. Gil-Scott Heron: "The only question is, what will I say when my children ask me, where I was. when the shit went down.".
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Would anyone here actually consider not voting for Biden if he got the nomination? I hear people on here talk about a response to it but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here say they wouldn’t vote for him.
I hate his policy positions, but I think I he has a heart and there will not be a worthy 3rd party candidate - I will end up D relatively down the line with a Working Families Party lean. NY-18 just got an incumbent against a pretty pocketed Democrat; he might turn over that seat because they do targeted work at Justice Democrats. But no. It's foolish.