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Post by piggy pablo on Oct 1, 2019 17:42:29 GMT -5
I talk about Warren so much because I expect more from her. I don't spend time on Biden, Pete, or Kamala because I know they're lost causes. Similar with Trump. Trump is clearly awful. It's simply not a conversation that interests me all that much at this point.
I guess to me, posting long articles, that go very sideways quickly, and with clickbait headlines, about how Warren "isn't your friend" and will kill all improvements to healthcare is as disingenuous as Trumpers posting about how "(insert democrat) is a socialist".
I like how certain people seem to think that "strongly wanting a particular candidate to win" is somehow rude or wrong. There is nothing unreasonable about focusing most negative attention at candidates you don't support who are the most competitive with the one you do support.
Rude, cordial, angered, disengaged by language --- all matter and don't matter at the same time. From the person who started talking rude as fuck years ago, you gotta start focusing your arguments towards people better. This is a competition but, we are losing in the current way we are talking to each other about this all.
OK. I pledge to be less rude about why Warren is bad, unless someone really deserves it
I would love to see some people engage with the medium article I posted upthread in a non-adversarial manner
You've spent 9 years on Inforoo being an absolute ass to everyone, being mean for no reason, instigating fights, insulting other's ideas, and making fun of folks for how they look.... and you want us to engage with you in a civil manner?
I guess to me, posting long articles, that go very sideways quickly, and with clickbait headlines, about how Warren "isn't your friend" and will kill all improvements to healthcare is as disingenuous as Trumpers posting about how "(insert democrat) is a socialist".
The issue causing you to not see eye to eye with the left is that you seem to believe that institutions (or at least ones without a clear Republican partisan bias) are inherently trustworthy and that not trusting the consensus views presented in the media, or by mainstream thinktanks, is basically equivalent to being a Trumpist. You don't seem to be actually listening to the relevant arguments against the point you're making (like pablo's posts about how Warren has been very inconsistent on health care), and instead choose to just sorta squint and perceive everyone opposed to you as some senseless mob of irrational leftists (because it's a lot easier to just imagine that the left is all So Dumb And Crazy instead of actually addressing the specific points people make). People respond poorly to this because it is not only very condescending, but it's condescension coming from someone who doesn't really seem to have anything supporting their own arguments other than absolute confidence that they're more reasonable and rational than the people they're arguing against.
You've spent 9 years on Inforoo being an absolute ass to everyone, being mean for no reason, instigating fights, insulting other's ideas, and making fun of folks for how they look.... and you want us to engage with you in a civil manner?
That's fucking hilarious.
I only ask for the same level of respect you would give a lifelong republican running for president as a Democrat
Post by itrainmonkeys on Oct 1, 2019 17:58:56 GMT -5
Holy shit.
WASHINGTON — The Oval Office meeting this past March began, as so many had, with President Trump fuming about migrants. But this time he had a solution. As White House advisers listened astonished, he ordered them to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border with Mexico — by noon the next day.
The advisers feared the president’s edict would trap American tourists in Mexico, strand children at schools on both sides of the border and create an economic meltdown in two countries. Yet they also knew how much the president’s zeal to stop immigration had sent him lurching for solutions, one more extreme than the next.
Privately, the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate. He wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh. After publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks, the president backed off when his staff told him that was illegal. But later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. That’s not allowed either, they told him.
You've spent 9 years on Inforoo being an absolute ass to everyone, being mean for no reason, instigating fights, insulting other's ideas, and making fun of folks for how they look.... and you want us to engage with you in a civil manner?
That's fucking hilarious.
I only ask for the same level of respect you would give a lifelong republican running for president as a Democrat
You have proven yourself to be a garbage person time and time again. That's the problem with people like you, you could be saying things that are intelligent and informed, and no one is going to care because you've already burned every bridge of decency.
It's like a guy who cheats on every girlfriend and then gets mad when his new girlfriend is suspicious of him.
OK. I pledge to be less rude about why Warren is bad, unless someone really deserves it
I would love to see some people engage with the medium article I posted upthread in a non-adversarial manner
I mean, I’ve already told you about all my personal experiences with Warren, how she was such a great partner in fighting Obama for decent financial reform, how good she is at oversight and pulling bureaucratic levels to achieve her policy goals (student loan reform, Wells Fargo), why should I also have to debunk some rando’s medium post? Why doesn’t my opinion as your friend carry more weight?
We're not going to see eye to eye if you immediately treat it as something to debunk
I appreciate your experience with Warren, but it sounds like it's entirely limited to financial reform, the one area where I think she's motivated to actually deliver (It's why she left the Republican party, after all).
I only ask for the same level of respect you would give a lifelong republican running for president as a Democrat
You have proven yourself to be a garbage person time and time again. That's the problem with people like you, you could be saying things that are intelligent and informed, and no one is going to care because you've already burned every bridge of decency.
It's like a guy who cheats on every girlfriend and then gets mad when his new girlfriend is suspicious of him.
You're continuing to make a great point about placing your trust in people with questionable pasts
WASHINGTON — The Oval Office meeting this past March began, as so many had, with President Trump fuming about migrants. But this time he had a solution. As White House advisers listened astonished, he ordered them to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border with Mexico — by noon the next day.
The advisers feared the president’s edict would trap American tourists in Mexico, strand children at schools on both sides of the border and create an economic meltdown in two countries. Yet they also knew how much the president’s zeal to stop immigration had sent him lurching for solutions, one more extreme than the next.
Privately, the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate. He wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh. After publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks, the president backed off when his staff told him that was illegal. But later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. That’s not allowed either, they told him.
You have proven yourself to be a garbage person time and time again. That's the problem with people like you, you could be saying things that are intelligent and informed, and no one is going to care because you've already burned every bridge of decency.
It's like a guy who cheats on every girlfriend and then gets mad when his new girlfriend is suspicious of him.
You're continuing to make a great point about placing your trust in people with questionable pasts
And you’re continuing to look like a shitty person, but that’s kind of your brand
edit because I'm pissed off now and have to go BACK TO WORK LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY STRUGGLING.
FUCK.
but seriously emoney shut up and listen sometimes. Katy Mae, he isn't a garbage human as no one is.
emoney would be off the boards if some of his arguments weren't valid.
What the fuck happened to all these people I thought I knew.
Emoney has personally told me I'm too fat to live, that fat people should die, that I should kill myself cause I'm fat, that I'm ugly and gross. It was a while ago, but I will never forget that. He called sang ugly and used his picture for his profile pic to embarrass and belittle him.
That's what garbage people do. If someone said any of those things about you, I wouldn't remain friends with that person. The fact that he isn't banned permanently is absolutely mind-boggling. We ban people for basic trolling.. but not him for being down right abusive?
edit because I'm pissed off now and have to go BACK TO WORK LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY STRUGGLING.
FUCK.
but seriously emoney shut up and listen sometimes. Katy Mae, he isn't a garbage human as no one is.
emoney would be off the boards if some of his arguments weren't valid.
What the fuck happened to all these people I thought I knew.
Emoney has personally told me I'm too fat to live, that fat people should die, that I should kill myself cause I'm fat, that I'm ugly and gross. It was a while ago, but I will never forget that. He called sang ugly and used his picture for his profile pic to embarrass and belittle him.
That's what garbage people do. If someone said any of those things about you, I wouldn't remain friends with that person. The fact that he isn't banned permanently is absolutely mind-boggling. We ban people for basic trolling.. but not him for being down right abusive?
Emoney has personally told me I'm too fat to live, that fat people should die, that I should kill myself cause I'm fat, that I'm ugly and gross. It was a while ago, but I will never forget that. He called sang ugly and used his picture for his profile pic to embarrass and belittle him.
That's what garbage people do. If someone said any of those things about you, I wouldn't remain friends with that person. The fact that he isn't banned permanently is absolutely mind-boggling. We ban people for basic trolling.. but not him for being down right abusive?
Yeah i didn't say any of that stuff
Really? I'm hallucinating? You used to berate my weight in chat all the damn time.
edit because I'm pissed off now and have to go BACK TO WORK LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY STRUGGLING.
FUCK.
but seriously emoney shut up and listen sometimes. Katy Mae, he isn't a garbage human as no one is.
emoney would be off the boards if some of his arguments weren't valid.
What the fuck happened to all these people I thought I knew.
Emoney has personally told me I'm too fat to live, that fat people should die, that I should kill myself cause I'm fat, that I'm ugly and gross. It was a while ago, but I will never forget that. He called sang ugly and used his picture for his profile pic to embarrass and belittle him.
That's what garbage people do. If someone said any of those things about you, I wouldn't remain friends with that person. The fact that he isn't banned permanently is absolutely mind-boggling. We ban people for basic trolling.. but not him for being down right abusive?
I was not around for that event, so I have no knowledge of it and emoney should speak on that directly.
Because as things should bear out, your progressive views deal with how you treat others.
I also know that in relation to sang, that was dealt with, but I obviously have no context to the event so I will keep it to that until emoney responds. Because if that's the context of the issue, it's something he knows I would tell him face to face wasn't alright.
I'm only logging back in because you deserve an answer. I'm really pissed off at how the friends I know are devolving and I have a deeper sinking feeling that we can't have real debates about anything. And also yes. 30% of this nation is off it's rocker.
Emoney has personally told me I'm too fat to live, that fat people should die, that I should kill myself cause I'm fat, that I'm ugly and gross. It was a while ago, but I will never forget that. He called sang ugly and used his picture for his profile pic to embarrass and belittle him.
That's what garbage people do. If someone said any of those things about you, I wouldn't remain friends with that person. The fact that he isn't banned permanently is absolutely mind-boggling. We ban people for basic trolling.. but not him for being down right abusive?
I was not around for that event, so I have no knowledge of it and emoney should speak on that directly.
Because as things should bear out, your progressive views deal with how you treat others.
I also know that in relation to sang, that was dealt with, but I obviously have no context to the event so I will keep it to that until emoney responds. Because if that's the context of the issue, it's something he knows I would tell him face to face wasn't alright.
I'm only logging back in because you deserve an answer. I'm really pissed off at how the friends I know are devolving and I have a deeper sinking feeling that we can't have real debates about anything. And also yes. 30% of this nation is off it's rocker.
To be fair it's not devolving, I've never talked civilly with him. I am willing to debate anyone else on this board.
I don't really know what else to say because I don't want to call anyone a liar but that doesn't square with my memory or my knowledge of myself as a person
Nate Silver should have been left in 2016 with the rest of the pre-Trump norms that no longer exist.
Lol @ the thought of Jack doing anything. I'm pretty sure Twitter was operating in the red until the 2016 nightmare happened. Despite his many bankruptcies, Trump is good for at least one business.
New season is good! The two part episode before the one on Nate is about the media's incitement against the homeless. It's fucking excellent work. The second part on Fox News is seriously infuriating.