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I’ll be honest. If the vote were today (and if he’s on the ballot), I’d be voting for RFK Jr. even though he is an anti-vaxxer. My vote in Louisiana doesn’t matter anyway
I’ll be honest. If the vote were today (and if he’s on the ballot), I’d be voting for RFK Jr. even though he is an anti-vaxxer. My vote in Louisiana doesn’t matter anyway
+Aaron Rodgers change your mind?
I don’t have a problem with Aaron Rodgers. If I were a Jets fan I would be upset about this ticket, though
Don't get it twisted, though, I think he'd be a stupid choice. Not for anything he's said or done, we could debate about that if it ever actually happens, but just because he has zero experience.
Fair point. 70+ million voted for Trump in 2020. Land of the rubes. Home of the fucking idiots.
. Sure but Trump had some central ideas that stuck in people’s minds and got them invested. Most of it was pretty basic GOP bs that he ramped up. That and the carnival barking brought in the new crazies. Most regular GOP folks went along with it cause of self interest. Stupid or not it’s pretty logical where his votes came from.
Campaigns need some kind of key themes/slogans to stick in the public’s imaginations. Look at Ross Perot for a successful example. I don’t really see evidence RFK has really done that. He just seems like a joke whose platform is all over the place. He’ll be extremely lucky to do Jill Stein numbers at this point. It’s early so we will see how the Summer goes but I think he’s a fart in the wind.
I mean, he's averaging 12% in national polls right now. His themes are "I'm a Kennedy" and "I'm not one of those two guys," and they're compelling enough - that's far below where Perot was but well ahead of Stein. Perot's numbers dropped as the election approached, and I expect RFK Jr's will too, but there are a lot of idiots out there who'll simply see "Kennedy" and vote, enough to turn the election (at the moment, turn it in Trump's favor).
Can we please put a sock in any validity to 3rd Party polling 8 months out? These polls always overestimate by several times greater than what actually occurs in the general election.
Recently in 2016, Libertarian Candidate Gary Johnson was polling consistently at 10% all the way into September, only 60 days from the election; he got 3.3% of the vote nationwide. That was the highest percentage by a libertarian candidate EVER, and it still came in at 1/3 of his polling numbers.
In this election, a vote for RFK Jr. is a vote for Trump.
. Sure but Trump had some central ideas that stuck in people’s minds and got them invested. Most of it was pretty basic GOP bs that he ramped up. That and the carnival barking brought in the new crazies. Most regular GOP folks went along with it cause of self interest. Stupid or not it’s pretty logical where his votes came from.
Campaigns need some kind of key themes/slogans to stick in the public’s imaginations. Look at Ross Perot for a successful example. I don’t really see evidence RFK has really done that. He just seems like a joke whose platform is all over the place. He’ll be extremely lucky to do Jill Stein numbers at this point. It’s early so we will see how the Summer goes but I think he’s a fart in the wind.
I mean, he's averaging 12% in national polls right now. His themes are "I'm a Kennedy" and "I'm not one of those two guys," and they're compelling enough - that's far below where Perot was but well ahead of Stein. Perot's numbers dropped as the election approached, and I expect RFK Jr's will too, but there are a lot of idiots out there who'll simply see "Kennedy" and vote, enough to turn the election (at the moment, turn it in Trump's favor).
are you saying this out of fear it will happen or out of actual data? Cause most polling is pretty clear that whatever percentage RFK JR polls the losses are pretty even split and when one side is behind it’s well within the margin of error. To add to that Independent voters are naturally harder to read and it’s rarely correct to say a 3rd party person cost a candidate the election. As a lot of the folks have no loyalty to either side and don’t owe the parties anything.
In other words, you don’t actually know that an RFK voter would show up for Biden if RFK wasn’t running. You might dislike the idea that they won’t vote the lesser of two evils but that in no way makes them obligated to do it. So calling people dumb and blaming them for a Biden loss is a poor analysis of why Biden might actually lose.
For what it’s worth, looking at RFK JR funding numbers points towards more right wing types. Besides some obvious funny business with the big donors there are a lot of folks who didn’t contribute to either party in the last couple elections. And again, that’s the problem with figuring out who these folks are. They often have contradictory politics and don’t really show up election after election for anyone outside of some kook.
Is a vote for Biden a vote for genocide? I don't think so, but there are quite a lot of people who do.
Not exactly. I personally feel like me voting for his reelection is a partial endorsement of his first term. Which includes an extremely poor handling of a genocidal client state. In a situation where his administration has leverage and has refused to use it in any sort of timely manner.
I say partial endorsement because there are legit fears that Trump will be much worse on basically every issue. So there’s room for an argument that your vote isvery much for the greater good regardless.
Which includes an extremely poor handling of a genocidal client state.
I am one of those millennials frustrated and angry with Biden’s response. Yet, I’m also practical enough to understand that 1) the US and Israeli relationship is deeply entrenched in our government and political institutions and the public social narrative. That structure creates additional resistance beyond any one president change and 2) Trump as an alternative would be significantly worse. I’ve posted some of his comments about Gaza and they are crazy. He would be BiBi’s number one cheerleader.
Don’t people say: “Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face”
Is a vote for Biden a vote for genocide? I don't think so, but there are quite a lot of people who do.
Buddy, RFK is pro genocide too.
That’s the shit of this. You’re trying to make a stand about your perceptions of Biden’s senility and views on Israel, RFK has the same views on the Middle East and also thinks whacky shit like vaccines cause autism and 5G is mind control and doesn’t even have being senile to blame it on.
Also Trump spent his time in office fulsomely licking Bibi’s ass so it’s not like there’s a great choice here.
Is a vote for Biden a vote for genocide? I don't think so, but there are quite a lot of people who do.
Buddy, RFK is pro genocide too.
That’s the shit of this. You’re trying to make a stand about your perceptions of Biden’s senility and views on Israel, RFK has the same views on the Middle East and also thinks whacky shit like vaccines cause autism and 5G is mind control and doesn’t even have being senile to blame it on.
Also Trump spent his time in office fulsomely licking Bibi’s ass so it’s not like there’s a great choice here.
This is another reason I don’t see him as much of a threat. For every issue that a leftist might agree with there’s some batshit thing like this. Same for right leaning folks.
Only the very fringe of both parties will fall in line behind this guy. He’s so all over the place. And these folks typically arn’t reliable voters for the parties anyway.
As much as I bitch about them I show up to vote pretty much always. Lol
Is a vote for Biden a vote for genocide? I don't think so, but there are quite a lot of people who do.
Buddy, RFK is pro genocide too.
That’s the shit of this. You’re trying to make a stand about your perceptions of Biden’s senility and views on Israel, RFK has the same views on the Middle East and also thinks whacky shit like vaccines cause autism and 5G is mind control and doesn’t even have being senile to blame it on.
Also Trump spent his time in office fulsomely licking Bibi’s ass so it’s not like there’s a great choice here.
I didn't say I think Biden is pro-genocide, I was just saying a lot of Pro-Palestinian protestors do think that. If the argument is that RFK is just as bad on Israel/Gaza as Biden (and Trump is worse), watching that video is a win for RFK because he has intelligent, transparent answers. He goes into great depth on his position and knowledge on the topic. He seems fully functional cognitively.
Speaking of wackos, I'm just going to put this here, in case anyone wants to attend.
The hearing, slated for March 19 at 2 p.m., will include testimony from David Daleiden and Terrisa Bukovinac, according to the announcement. The hearing will be also be live-streamed.
Daleiden is an anti-abortion activist ordered to pay $2 million in damages to Planned Parenthood over accusations of conspiracy and eavesdropping, according to a Reuters report from October.
Bukovinac is an anti-abortion activist who appears in a 2022 feature from New York Magazine about Lauren Handy, a fellow activist who reportedly stored baby fetuses in her refrigerator until they were removed by police.
While Greene does not expound on the details of the hearing, it might be related to unfounded accusations that organizations such as Planned Parenthood traffic fetal tissue for profit.
I mean, he's averaging 12% in national polls right now. His themes are "I'm a Kennedy" and "I'm not one of those two guys," and they're compelling enough - that's far below where Perot was but well ahead of Stein. Perot's numbers dropped as the election approached, and I expect RFK Jr's will too, but there are a lot of idiots out there who'll simply see "Kennedy" and vote, enough to turn the election (at the moment, turn it in Trump's favor).
are you saying this out of fear it will happen or out of actual data? Cause most polling is pretty clear that whatever percentage RFK JR polls the losses are pretty even split and when one side is behind it’s well within the margin of error. To add to that Independent voters are naturally harder to read and it’s rarely correct to say a 3rd party person cost a candidate the election. As a lot of the folks have no loyalty to either side and don’t owe the parties anything.
In other words, you don’t actually know that an RFK voter would show up for Biden if RFK wasn’t running. You might dislike the idea that they won’t vote the lesser of two evils but that in no way makes them obligated to do it. So calling people dumb and blaming them for a Biden loss is a poor analysis of why Biden might actually lose.
For what it’s worth, looking at RFK JR funding numbers points towards more right wing types. Besides some obvious funny business with the big donors there are a lot of folks who didn’t contribute to either party in the last couple elections. And again, that’s the problem with figuring out who these folks are. They often have contradictory politics and don’t really show up election after election for anyone outside of some kook.
It's based on actual data - nearly every poll that includes RFK shows Trump with a bigger lead over Biden than he has in the same poll without RFK. That happens both in national polls (usually a 2-3 point difference) and in state-level polls (generally the same but I've seen as high as a 7 point difference in Pennsylvania). It's often technically within the margin of error, but it's so consistent that it's hard to dismiss.
I agree with others that RFK's polling will drop as we approach the election, but considering how thin the margins were in many states in 2020, yes - I'm legitimately concerned about the impact he'll have on the race, as I think everyone should be.
Which includes an extremely poor handling of a genocidal client state.
I am one of those millennials frustrated and angry with Biden’s response. Yet, I’m also practical enough to understand that 1) the US and Israeli relationship is deeply entrenched in our government and political institutions and the public social narrative. That structure creates additional resistance beyond any one president change and 2) Trump as an alternative would be significantly worse. I’ve posted some of his comments about Gaza and they are crazy. He would be BiBi’s number one cheerleader.
Don’t people say: “Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face”
Meanwhile, Israeli senior officials are actively expressing concern that Biden is angling for regime change in Israel, and it's pretty clear he hates Bibi. They are not alike. If you don't want genocide (or slaughter, or whatever terminology fits for you), you have one guy where at least there's some pressure to stop it, and one guy where it's virtually guaranteed it gets worse.
I am privately amused at how Biden's upended some core tenets of decades of US Foreign Policy by actually exiting a war (Afghanistan), fighting against an invasion instead of initiating one (Ukraine), and pushing for regime change in an ally rather than an enemy (Israel).
Biden isn't trying to do damn thing to stop Netanyahu. Israelis can think he's a communist or whatever the same way Trumpers do. Doesn't make them correct. They're just reactionary psychos.
Biden isn't trying to do damn thing to stop Netanyahu. Israelis can think he's a communist or whatever the same way Trumpers do. Doesn't make them correct. They're just reactionary psychos.
We'll see. He's drawn a red line (though we know how that went for Obama) and they've signaled pretty strongly that if Israel goes into Rafah, they'll finally approve the UN resolution for a ceasefire and sanction Ben-Gvir and Smotrich, at the least. All of that plus the sanctions against settlers, air drops, and meetings with Netanyahu's rivals are all much more explicit action than I can think of any President doing to go around or punish an Israeli PM (even if it's not enough).