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I’ve been a fan of Neurosis for the better part of 30 years. I’m sad. I’m pissed off. Mostly I hope Scott’s actions aren’t another manipulation. Good luck to him on trying to change.
Also, selling a bunch of test pressings and vinyl. Gonna donate that to a local battered women’s shelter.
Yeah, I face this a lot when I see someone trending. If I don't know who it is and look it up then it ends up being some kind of influencer or YouTuber or gamer.
Yes! Y’all have been carrying on here about Aquaman or Green Lantern or whoever for weeks, and I just couldn’t care less. I must have pre-canceled them.
Yes! Y’all have been carrying on here about Aquaman or Green Lantern or whoever for weeks, and I just couldn’t care less. I must have pre-canceled them.
i didn't know who ezra miller was until this thread. to me they only exist as a cancelee.
The show goes on. And sounds like Win greeted people before the show. Shook hands and took selfies so either people are in denial, dont know or dont care.
The show goes on. And sounds like Win greeted people before the show. Shook hands and took selfies so either people are in denial, dont know or dont care.
gross, im waiting for the venue to get back to see if they refund
The show goes on. And sounds like Win greeted people before the show. Shook hands and took selfies so either people are in denial, dont know or dont care.
gross, im waiting for the venue to get back to see if they refund
You cant issue a refund for somebody being a creeper.
The show goes on. And sounds like Win greeted people before the show. Shook hands and took selfies so either people are in denial, dont know or dont care.
The person who helps us out with child care some weekdays is a friend of mine and a pretty big music fan, and when she arrived this morning and we were catching up on our weekends, I mentioned how this story had really been a sucky part of mine. She had no idea what I was talking about. Same with another friend who was enough of a fan that she sprinted across town to snag one of the wristbands for those pop-up shows at the Bowery Ballroom a few months back.
I don't know that this news, or the scope of what he did, is as widespread as it might appear.
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
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Its Def not because I think if Win got sued or charged with something thats enough of a push to get people to pay attention. I have a longtime friend who doesnt give a shit. Said "their marriage, their business". But he agreed their statements are bullshit though. And have some friends who are hardcore fans and are still going cause some people are coming out of town for the show that they havent seen in years.
Its Def not because I think if Win got sued or charged with something thats enough of a push to get people to pay attention. I have a longtime friend who doesnt give a shit. Said "their marriage, their business". But he agreed their statements are bullshit though. And have some friends who are hardcore fans and are still going cause some people are coming out of town for the show that they havent seen in years.
Being in an open marriage/open relationship is one thing. Using your power of celebrity to manipulate impressionable people half your age to have sex with you is another.
Its Def not because I think if Win got sued or charged with something thats enough of a push to get people to pay attention. I have a longtime friend who doesnt give a shit. Said "their marriage, their business". But he agreed their statements are bullshit though. And have some friends who are hardcore fans and are still going cause some people are coming out of town for the show that they havent seen in years.
Being in an open marriage/open relationship is one thing. Using your power of celebrity to manipulate impressionable people half your age to have sex with you is another.
Ya, that’s the thing there.
But plenty of people who are also fans will say that’s how rock & roll is. I’m glad I hadn’t bought a ticket
Edit: and that my money for the Bowery show went to Ukraine relief and not to them
He didn't just manipulate women that were younger than him, he actually physically sexually assaulted them.
Yeah feels like people are completely skipping over the part where he straight up assaulted these women
Feels like the Louis CK shit where people will respond defensively that "Well in the accusation he asked them if he could do it, they didn't say no (thought he was joking) and then when he started to do it they left and he let them go so it's really not that bad" meanwhile the original article about accusations had at least 3 or 4 other women sharing their stories which didn't include consent and did include unfair power dynamics. And that's ONLY the handful of women who came forward and were strong enough to share their experiences. I'm sure there were many more.
So in this case it feels the same in that it's not "Oh, well he cheated on his wife but they have an open marriage so what's the big deal?" and more about the other shit like forcing himself on them in some ways. Like, if this was an isolated story of a 32 year old guy in an open marriage having sex with a 21 year old fan it would feel kind of weird but not something that's worth crucifying the guy over. But once there are multiple people coming forward with similar stories it starts to paint a pattern. And when guys keep getting older but the women they're hanging with/interested in keep staying the same age it just begins to get into creep territory.
There's tons of asshole guys who take advantage of their fame and power. With the music industry stories coming out over the last decade it seems like part of it is that the guys were nerdy/geeky/ugly/picked on when they were younger and now that they're famous musicians they are making up for lost time. Which then leads to shit Win and Ryan Adams and others using their status/fame to get hot young girls that they wanted (but couldn't get) when they were younger/
Post by piggy pablo on Aug 30, 2022 19:32:39 GMT -5
One thing I think about is.. Win Butler probably is able to have consensual sex with some young women, being famous and a rock star. That he does this to women who don't want it speaks to something that is much darker than wanting to be with young women.
Like Deshaun Watson could surely find women to touch his b-hole, at the very least paying an actual sex worker to do so if he had to. But he chose to victimize masseuses instead. It's a power trip, I guess.
One thing I think about is.. Win Butler probably is able to have consensual sex with some young women, being famous and a rock star. That he does this to women who don't want it speaks to something that is much darker than wanting to be with young women.
Like Deshaun Watson could surely find women to touch his b-hole, at the very least paying an actual sex worker to do so if he had to. But he chose to victimize masseuses instead. It's a power trip, I guess.
Oh, there's certainly an aspect of power in all these stories. Those recent released info about Vince McMahon paying like 15-20 million bucks in hush money to women he had affairs with/harrassed/took advantage of over a certain amount of time. If the dude really just wanted to bang women hiring a professional is much cheaper and less abusive. But no, these people like to push the line and also I think the "getting away with it" is part of it all.
But you see similar stuff with celebrities or powerful people who routinely get DUI's despite being way more than able to afford a driver. It makes you question what it's really about.
Eh not really. He’s definitely a galaxy brain so I don’t follow him too closely, but the Ukrainians he points out as being Nazis are, in fact, Nazis. He doesn’t seem to be pro-Russia so much as anti-western propaganda/people who put Ukrainian flags in their Twitter profiles without thinking. Obviously if you go too far in that direction you become indistinguishable from being straight up pro-Russian, but I don’t read him as too out of the mainstream for the terminally online.
Eh not really. He’s definitely a galaxy brain so I don’t follow him too closely, but the Ukrainians he points out as being Nazis are, in fact, Nazis. He doesn’t seem to be pro-Russia so much as anti-western propaganda/people who put Ukrainian flags in their Twitter profiles without thinking. Obviously if you go too far in that direction you become indistinguishable from being straight up pro-Russian, but I don’t read him as too out of the mainstream for the terminally online.
ya I scrolled his Twitter for a minute and that seems about right.
Post by problem dog on Aug 31, 2022 9:23:30 GMT -5
Yeah, if you follow what Boeckner's been posting, I think it's pretty clear he's just a moron who got grifted into sharing Russian propaganda to prove how much smarter he is than the rest of the online left. Big time twitter casualty. He's also been obsessed with Soviet era aesthetics forever, it's all over his music, probably a very easy mark.
Eh not really. He’s definitely a galaxy brain so I don’t follow him too closely, but the Ukrainians he points out as being Nazis are, in fact, Nazis. He doesn’t seem to be pro-Russia so much as anti-western propaganda/people who put Ukrainian flags in their Twitter profiles without thinking. Obviously if you go too far in that direction you become indistinguishable from being straight up pro-Russian, but I don’t read him as too out of the mainstream for the terminally online.
I was literally coming here to post that Leonardo DiCrappio and Camila Morrone broke up, coincidentally not even 2 months after her 25th birthday. He is fucking disgusting.
The show goes on. And sounds like Win greeted people before the show. Shook hands and took selfies so either people are in denial, dont know or dont care.
The person who helps us out with child care some weekdays is a friend of mine and a pretty big music fan, and when she arrived this morning and we were catching up on our weekends, I mentioned how this story had really been a sucky part of mine. She had no idea what I was talking about. Same with another friend who was enough of a fan that she sprinted across town to snag one of the wristbands for those pop-up shows at the Bowery Ballroom a few months back.
I don't know that this news, or the scope of what he did, is as widespread as it might appear.
I would add that there is a significant amount of people who are not bothered by the accusations. Look at Aziz Ansari, who is back doing shows and TV now like nothing happened
I was literally coming here to post that Leonardo DiCrappio and Camila Morrone broke up, coincidentally not even 2 months after her 25th birthday. He is fucking disgusting.
At least they're in their 20s though
It's def creepy, but not illegal (as far as we know)
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The person who helps us out with child care some weekdays is a friend of mine and a pretty big music fan, and when she arrived this morning and we were catching up on our weekends, I mentioned how this story had really been a sucky part of mine. She had no idea what I was talking about. Same with another friend who was enough of a fan that she sprinted across town to snag one of the wristbands for those pop-up shows at the Bowery Ballroom a few months back.
I don't know that this news, or the scope of what he did, is as widespread as it might appear.
I would add that there is a significant amount of people who are not bothered by the accusations. Look at Aziz Ansari, who is back doing shows and TV now like nothing happened
Iirc, Aziz's sins were amateur hour compared to other people in this thread.
The only people that get canceled are those favored by white liberals. And that doesn't last long anyway, unless they do some truly heinous shit.
Morgan Wallen blurting out the N-word got him #1 songs. Drake is still messing around with minors. Etc...