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Post by xfinitypass on Aug 3, 2023 11:50:11 GMT -5
I've always disliked Lizzo for how much she's lead the body positivity movement. As someone who suffered from childhood obesity that's come back for a second bout as an adult, I feel very strongly that obesity should not be glorified, celebrated, or accepted. I do think society could stand to treat obese people with more respect, especially given 40% of us are obese (again, myself included), but I think they go so far with this stuff. You can treat obese people with respect without glorifying the lifestyle that's killing 300k people in the US alone / year. There are plenty of people on the fitness influencer end who are shitty for the opposite reasons (encouraging standards of fitness that are so extreme they're unhealthy for the average person and can lead to all sorts of disorders), but I don't think taking it to the opposite extreme of celebrating your obesity is good for society either. Trust me when I say there's no glory in being obese, just lots of diseases, inability to effectively engage in activities you love, and social rejection. Who knows, maybe I've just always misunderstood what she's trying to do, but from my vantage point it looks like glorifying obesity, and I'm not about it.
And turns out she's been fat shaming her dances behind the scenes which shows she was never in it for her genuine concern for other obese people, just to get clout. If you want to help obese people, encourage them to do active things with you, and make better eating decision together.
So if a severely underweight anorexic or bulimic artist comes out in 2023 with a body positive message for the other severely underweight people out there, do y’all think they’d get the same support as Lizzo did?
So if a severely underweight anorexic or bulimic artist comes out in 2023 with a body positive message for the other severely underweight people out there, do y’all think they’d get the same support as Lizzo did?
exactly, encourage healthy behaviors, not either extremes of eating disorders. Helping obese people isn’t telling them they’re perfect the way they are, it’s pointing them towards the right treatments for their eating disorder and encouraging a more active lifestyle. As an obese person 2 months into a weight loss journey, I’d feel way more supported by friends if they just invited me to play some sports or go eat at a healthy restaurant that I would if they post a message in support of body positivity online and then invite me to play video games and eat McDonald’s
I'm uncancelling Lizzo, because body shaming fat people is actually good.
unironically, I could make a case for it. Being picked on for being overweight has always been a motivator to get fit for me, whereas being told I’m just fine at my current weight has always been demotivating. I don’t think people who fat shame have the intention for their words to have a good outcome, I think they’re just childish bullies, I just think a society than pushes people more towards fitness than complacency is a good thing.
So if it’s a choice between two extremes (which it isn’t) of radical acceptance of obesity that leads to a 40% obesity rate in America and fat shaming being prevalent, I’ll take the latter. I’d rather get bullied into shape than loved to death by heart disease at 35.
also more people that worked for her have come out saying they had similar experiences after this dropped today
“Lizzo then turned her attention to Ms. Davis and began pressuring Ms. Davis to touch the breasts of one of the nude women. Davis declined, according to the suit, and Lizzo allegedly led a chant goading her to do so. After Davis declined three more times, the chant grew louder and more strident, demanding a visibly uncomfortable Ms. Davis to engage with the performer. When Davis eventually acquiesced and briefly touched the performer, the group burst into laughter, the suit says"
Growing up, I was always the skinniest kid in my class. I could not gain weight regardless of what I tried. I had a super high metabolism and led an active lifestyle. I had almost no self-confidence because of it. I hated seeing myself in pictures, never felt strong or "manly" or attractive to girls. We didn't have a super skinny sex symbol like Timothy Chalamet in my day to represent us slender kings.
It wasn't until I got to college that I was finally able to gain some weight. I guess the metabolism was slowing down and the cafeteria meal plan helped, too. At around 19, I started working out all the time. I gained weight and muscle and confidence. And I finally started getting attention from girls.
But I also absolutely gained a new body image complex. I'm not a meat head body builder type, I'm kinda lean muscular I guess. But I have to work out at least 3 days a week or I have no self-confidence again. I don't like leaving the house. It affects the way I walk or the way I interact with people. After my wife and I had our son, I had no time to sleep, let alone work out. I was getting really down on myself again.
If I had never started working out, I feel like it'd be even worse, but I have no way to know for sure. But I guess my point is that body image issues are super complex. If someone sees Lizzo and it makes them feel better about themselves, that's super valid. If someone looks at Lizzo and it makes them upset that an unhealthy lifestyle is being idolized, that's also a valid opinion.
Without question, though, the shit she was doing to her employees was terrible.
Post by 3post1jack1 on Aug 3, 2023 13:47:02 GMT -5
most people are focusing on the fat shaming accusation, which makes sense given how hypocritical it makes Lizzo appear, but IMO the claim here is pretty weak:
The suit accuses Lizzo of calling attention to the dancer’s weight after an appearance at South by Southwest (SXSW) music festival. The singer and her choreographer later told the dancer, Arianna Davis, that she seemed “less committed” to her role — a comment the suit describes as a “thinly veiled” concern about Davis’ weight.
i can't connect "less committed" to "you have gained weight and we don't like that". feels like some stuff a lawyer drummed up because they knew it would spread like wildfire, and it worked.
Growing up, I was always the skinniest kid in my class. I could not gain weight regardless of what I tried. I had a super high metabolism and led an active lifestyle. I had almost no self-confidence because of it. I hated seeing myself in pictures, never felt strong or "manly" or attractive to girls. We didn't have a super skinny sex symbol like Timothy Chalamet in my day to represent us slender kings.
It wasn't until I got to college that I was finally able to gain some weight. I guess the metabolism was slowing down and the cafeteria meal plan helped, too. At around 19, I started working out all the time. I gained weight and muscle and confidence. And I finally started getting attention from girls.
But I also absolutely gained a new body image complex. I'm not a meat head body builder type, I'm kinda lean muscular I guess. But I have to work out at least 3 days a week or I have no self-confidence again. I don't like leaving the house. It affects the way I walk or the way I interact with people. After my wife and I had our son, I had no time to sleep, let alone work out. I was getting really down on myself again.
If I had never started working out, I feel like it'd be even worse, but I have no way to know for sure. But I guess my point is that body image issues are super complex. If someone sees Lizzo and it makes them feel better about themselves, that's super valid. If someone looks at Lizzo and it makes them upset that an unhealthy lifestyle is being idolized, that's also a valid opinion.
Without question, though, the shit she was doing to her employees was terrible.
Stop telling my story better than I could!!!!
But really, I barely could get above 130lbs until a few years ago... Some bad eating habits kicked in and I hit 160 for the second time in my life. I will never be heavy set even with muscle weight - I'm down to 140 now, due to health issues. All I want is to be able to weigh 180 and be built. I think about it a lot more than I talk about. I never wear a shirt at bonnaroo.... I'm so embarrassed that I wore a shirt all weekend no matter what. This Lizzo issue, to me is complicated, because in other people I don't see weight at all. I don't care. I just don't. But for myself I feel like, I scrawny fuck. Lizzo demanding of others is shit (if true of course).
most people are focusing on the fat shaming accusation, which makes sense given how hypocritical it makes Lizzo appear, but IMO the claim here is pretty weak:
The suit accuses Lizzo of calling attention to the dancer’s weight after an appearance at South by Southwest (SXSW) music festival. The singer and her choreographer later told the dancer, Arianna Davis, that she seemed “less committed” to her role — a comment the suit describes as a “thinly veiled” concern about Davis’ weight.
i can't connect "less committed" to "you have gained weight and we don't like that". feels like some stuff a lawyer drummed up because they knew it would spread like wildfire, and it worked.
I feel the same way. When I read the actual accusation versus the headlines I didn't see a whole lot to get fired up about.
Growing up, I was always the skinniest kid in my class. I could not gain weight regardless of what I tried. I had a super high metabolism and led an active lifestyle. I had almost no self-confidence because of it. I hated seeing myself in pictures, never felt strong or "manly" or attractive to girls. We didn't have a super skinny sex symbol like Timothy Chalamet in my day to represent us slender kings.
It wasn't until I got to college that I was finally able to gain some weight. I guess the metabolism was slowing down and the cafeteria meal plan helped, too. At around 19, I started working out all the time. I gained weight and muscle and confidence. And I finally started getting attention from girls.
But I also absolutely gained a new body image complex. I'm not a meat head body builder type, I'm kinda lean muscular I guess. But I have to work out at least 3 days a week or I have no self-confidence again. I don't like leaving the house. It affects the way I walk or the way I interact with people. After my wife and I had our son, I had no time to sleep, let alone work out. I was getting really down on myself again.
If I had never started working out, I feel like it'd be even worse, but I have no way to know for sure. But I guess my point is that body image issues are super complex. If someone sees Lizzo and it makes them feel better about themselves, that's super valid. If someone looks at Lizzo and it makes them upset that an unhealthy lifestyle is being idolized, that's also a valid opinion.
Without question, though, the shit she was doing to her employees was terrible.
Stop telling my story better than I could!!!!
But really, I barely could get above 130lbs until a few years ago... Some bad eating habits kicked in and I hit 160 for the second time in my life. I will never be heavy set even with muscle weight - I'm down to 140 now, due to health issues. All I want is to be able to weigh 180 and be built. I think about it a lot more than I talk about. I never wear a shirt at bonnaroo.... I'm so embarrassed that I wore a shirt all weekend no matter what. This Lizzo issue, to me is complicated, because in other people I don't see weight at all. I don't care. I just don't. But for myself I feel like, I scrawny fuck. Lizzo demanding of others is shit (if true of course).
I was at a weight I was happy with for a long time until the past year or so. I’ve lost weight again and can’t seem to gain it back. And as I get older, I start noticing weird shit like my face has gotten a lot thinner like I have no fat in my face anymore and it weirds me out.
I feel like this is so true for so many of us, beyond just body image issues, but self image in general. There’s things we never care about in others yet fixate on it constantly with ourselves.
Sometimes the opposite can be true, too. My hair started thinning about 7-8 years ago and it was the first time I’d ever noticed how many other guys had thin hair. I’m constantly looking at other guys hair lines and bald spot areas. Now I’m doing the old fashioned comb over and started taking online Rx hair treatment pills, which is probably just destroying my testosterone levels and sex drive.
most people are focusing on the fat shaming accusation, which makes sense given how hypocritical it makes Lizzo appear, but IMO the claim here is pretty weak:
i can't connect "less committed" to "you have gained weight and we don't like that". feels like some stuff a lawyer drummed up because they knew it would spread like wildfire, and it worked.
I feel the same way. When I read the actual accusation versus the headlines I didn't see a whole lot to get fired up about.
This is a valid opinion. Dancers like other specialities treat each other hard, and it could be a law level ploy to gain both attention and a settlement deal. Also... ALL headlines right now feel like clickbait, and it pisses me off
Lol once again certain people on this board are so fucking out of touch. She is NOT GLORYING OBESITY. She is literally existing and telling other people to leave her alone. Glorifying obesity would be saying everyone should be fat! Get as fat as you can! The fatter the better. Don’t fucking take out your fat insecurities and let the rest of us be penalized and thought of as “gross, lazy, bad person, disgusting”. Wtf is wrong with y’all.
Cancel the hell out of her if she acted wrong but leave her body out of it. The end.
I’m going to call bullshit. She wasn’t firing her dancers when they got fat, because all of her dancers on stage were fat. Am I going to be canceled for saying that?
I’m going to call bullshit. She wasn’t firing her dancers when they got fat, because all of her dancers on stage were fat. Am I going to be canceled for saying that?
I watched the show, and like most dance things it was very obvious that some of the girls were not as good of dancers as others and absolutely their size had something to do with it. like even with all the positivity, calling them Big Girls, they're still professional dancers and it's going to affect things. there's probably a nuanced way to give warning, or let someone go for gaining weight, and not just telling people you get fired if you get fat, but there are underlying reasons for that.
if Beyonce fired a dancer for being too heavy people would probably think she's a dick but they'd get over it and talk about how big the production is and how they need dancers to be super fit, but with the branding Lizzo has it just looks worse.
