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From Big Ears: "None of our festival attendees - according to our ticketing data - are traveling from countries where there are travel restrictions in place."
i thought this was interesting, maybe that's what ultimately created an issue with Ultra/SXSW.
It seems like there's more hysteria at this point then anything substantial. People are still going to gather in places. People are still going to have to leave their homes and go to work. Cancelling events is only going to upset people and the world economy. Until 60,000 people have died like the regular flu on average kills, then there's no reason for panic
Is this a real post or a copypasta?
Half was real, half was copy. Personally I live in the 5th largest major metropolitan area in the US. Seeing as a city is basically a large grouping of people, there is no way to not be in a large group.
From Big Ears: "None of our festival attendees - according to our ticketing data - are traveling from countries where there are travel restrictions in place."
i thought this was interesting, maybe that's what ultimately created an issue with Ultra/SXSW.
When it has come up in local media, one of the main subplots to Big Ears is that it has touted its international draw before. I believe they quoted them as having attendees from 17 countries last year. Given the focus on how much worse it is in other countries, it makes sense to put a little specificity to it to help allay fears in the local population.
From Big Ears: "None of our festival attendees - according to our ticketing data - are traveling from countries where there are travel restrictions in place."
i thought this was interesting, maybe that's what ultimately created an issue with Ultra/SXSW.
When it has come up in local media, one of the main subplots to Big Ears is that it has touted its international draw before. I believe they quoted them as having attendees from 17 countries last year. Given the focus on how much worse it is in other countries, it makes sense to put a little specificity to it to help allay fears in the local population.
As a local, do you think Big Ears is gonna go as planned?
When it has come up in local media, one of the main subplots to Big Ears is that it has touted its international draw before. I believe they quoted them as having attendees from 17 countries last year. Given the focus on how much worse it is in other countries, it makes sense to put a little specificity to it to help allay fears in the local population.
As a local, do you think Big Ears is gonna go as planned?
I think they are going to give it their best shot just because I feel like this would be a difficult one to reschedule given the artists' schedules. I wouldn't feel safe about it happening until like Tuesday the week of, but if they do cancel, I feel like they had no other choices. What do you think, Radius Claus ?
As a local, do you think Big Ears is gonna go as planned?
I think they are going to give it their best shot just because I feel like this would be a difficult one to reschedule given the artists' schedules. I wouldn't feel safe about it happening until like Tuesday the week of, but if they do cancel, I feel like they had no other choices. What do you think, Radius Claus ?
I do like that they're trying to figure out if people can get refunds if they choose not to attend. I mean facing facts, the target demographic is the ones at most risk.
Bar a complete cancel, I'll be there but completely understand if people get cold feet. This ain't nothing to fuck with.
I think they are going to give it their best shot just because I feel like this would be a difficult one to reschedule given the artists' schedules. I wouldn't feel safe about it happening until like Tuesday the week of, but if they do cancel, I feel like they had no other choices. What do you think, Radius Claus ?
I do like that they're trying to figure out if people can get refunds if they choose not to attend. I mean facing facts, the target demographic is the ones at most risk.
Bar a complete cancel, I'll be there but completely understand if people get cold feet. This ain't nothing to fuck with.
Oh yeah. We're monitoring things for our trip. They haven't issued a statement about refunds/rescheduling for the parks, but I bet they would let people if they called. I got an email this morning about an instate work trip for next month getting cancelled. It really came down to the meeting not being required to happen right now, so they felt it better to reschedule for later just in case. I would think most everyone would have went without incident, but others would have complained or not gone.
Post by LongHorn LittleNick on Mar 9, 2020 13:36:10 GMT -5
So in theory, most fests/frontgate would honor wanting a refund because of fears of the virus, yes? If hypothetically one's been wanting to get rid of their tickets anyway. Hypothetically, of course..
Post by clarkaddison on Mar 9, 2020 16:05:52 GMT -5
Pollstar published an interview with Ascend Insurance Brokerage CEO Paul Bassman. Nothing mind-blowing, but some insight into what the financials behind cancellation would look like. His overall tone is pretty incredulous that SXSW and Ultra actually cancelled.
"...the force majeure provision will allow them to not have to cover their financial obligations to the third parties that they've contracted with. So, let's say you're a festival and you have a multi-million dollar budget and most of that budget is probably for talent then that would go away. If the vendors haven't started setting up yet there may be a clause maybe that you have to pay the vendors a little bit, like a deposit, but much of that cost would go away. So a lot of these expenses would just go away and you'd be stuck with the marketing costs that you incurred for that year and the labor that you've paid already for the planning and the lost profit that you would have made otherwise."
Okeechobee, M3F and CRSSD have to get into the headlines as much as possible after this weekend and show that there were zero incidents and that attendees were fine and had a good time. The industry is likely paying attention but big media has to get onboard as well. You can argue the numbers game all you want but if 25,000 people gathered in one area isnt a good enough example of being able to operate an event without issues, than I dont know what other kind of Litmus test you need.
What happens a week or two later, when people who were at such an event have dispersed back to wherever they live and start realizing that they are in fact ill? Not sure everyone will be so fine then. I don't know that this will happen but that's the fear - that outbreaks will go undetected at first and allow asymptomatic people to spread it all over, as happened in Italy. That would be a major black eye for Coachaella, or whatever festival makes the news for facilitating an epidemic.
It sucks that stuff is being cancelled, and the virus is not everywhere or killing everybody, but this is the time to think a little and be extra cautious, and maybe make some small sacrifices to slow the spread. Nobody dying at a festival shouldn't be taken as evidence that large events can't or won't help it spread.
Post by F me, I quit America on Mar 9, 2020 16:35:34 GMT -5
Three cases confirmed in Ohio today, all in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland). An annual worker's comp. meeting expected to draw up to 10,000 has been cancelled, but not much else has yet. Governor Mike DeWine had this to say: “This disease will for a period significantly disturb and disrupt our lives," DeWine said. “This is no ordinary time. It’s important for us to take aggressive action to protect Ohioans. And the actions that we take now will in fact save lives.”
After the City of Austin declared last week a "local state of disaster" over COVID-19, more commonly known as coronavirus, officials announced on Monday that events with 2,500 people or more are now restricted until May 1.
Venues in Austin that hold 2,500 or more include: ACL Live Moody Theater, Bass Concert Hall, Erwin Center, Austin Convention Center, Palmer Events Center.
Large events can be held if organizers are able to assure Austin Public Health (APH) that mitigation plans for infectious diseases are in place. Each event will be evaluated case-by-case, the city said.
The likelihood of an event remaining prohibited increases significantly if:
There is great likelihood for extended close personal contact. The crowd density of the event is high. There are a significant number of travelers from areas currently experiencing person-to-person spread of COVID-19 domestically and internationally. There are a high number of guests coming from unknown locations. There are insufficient mechanisms in place to isolate, manage and address the needs of people should they become ill or an outbreak occur at the event. The plan to disseminate information about the need for basic hygiene practices is insufficient. There is an insufficient number of toilet facilities available for the event. There is an insufficient number and type of hand washing and sanitizing stations available for the event.
I haven’t heard that the WHO numbers are wrong, but what I do find extremely misleading is the fact that we are shown the number of cases and deaths constantly. Both of which are obviously going to rise. However, they don’t show the actual amount of active cases. (Meaning they aren’t actively reporting the number of true cases by subtracting everyone that had the virus that is no longer showing symptoms) I’d be far more concerned if the amount of active cases continued to rise in this country at an alarming rate and nobody was getting better, but the gross reality is that isn’t the case, and to make headlines the reporting being conducted always opts to put the bigger number up there because that’s how you drive traffic. I obviously want people to be safe, but this seems like an insane over reaction in my opinion and I’m a fucking Risk Manger. The cost being allocated to control this risk is mind blowing for the true impact it’s having in the United States. But we live in a world where bad press can sink your stock price in the matter of seconds so I get why it’s going that way.
What confuses me is we don’t even bat an eye at the amount of gun violence in this country which is killing far more people than this. We don’t just stop having events because someone crazy may have a gun. We take extra precautions to ensure that we are prepared for such a matter. It’s the same thing here in my opinion. People should be aware and wash their hands, and those that are higher risk should probably take even more precautions until things calm down. It’s really no different than those living in higher risk crime areas taking extra precautions. Not trying to be insensitive because you’re allowed to feel however you feel, and maybe I’d feel different if I had children of my own. I will say that it’s very unfortunate that this moved through an assisted living center, but in reality this may not even kill 100 people here in the US. However, the way it’s being sensationalized will impact 10s of millions of people financially and that’s a fact. Not saying that human lives don’t matter because they absolutely do, but at what cost? We literally may see a trillion dollar loss in America for less than a hundred lives at the end of the day after this is all over. That to me is insane.
If you're looking for accurate numbers, try the Johns Hopkins site, with a drill-down map that enables you to see cases by city and county:
After the City of Austin declared last week a "local state of disaster" over COVID-19, more commonly known as coronavirus, officials announced on Monday that events with 2,500 people or more are now restricted until May 1.
Venues in Austin that hold 2,500 or more include: ACL Live Moody Theater, Bass Concert Hall, Erwin Center, Austin Convention Center, Palmer Events Center.
Large events can be held if organizers are able to assure Austin Public Health (APH) that mitigation plans for infectious diseases are in place. Each event will be evaluated case-by-case, the city said.
The likelihood of an event remaining prohibited increases significantly if:
There is great likelihood for extended close personal contact. The crowd density of the event is high. There are a significant number of travelers from areas currently experiencing person-to-person spread of COVID-19 domestically and internationally. There are a high number of guests coming from unknown locations. There are insufficient mechanisms in place to isolate, manage and address the needs of people should they become ill or an outbreak occur at the event. The plan to disseminate information about the need for basic hygiene practices is insufficient. There is an insufficient number of toilet facilities available for the event. There is an insufficient number and type of hand washing and sanitizing stations available for the event.
I hate even having to be this dude, but I'm sorry, this is fucking overkill.
WTF is up with the toilet paper hoarding? How is that going to save your ass in this situation? People are crazy
I think the fear is that the supply chain will be disrupted, not that it’ll actually prevent anything. I don’t know if shortages are consistent everywhere - I went to Walmart yesterday to get some since I needed some anyway and there was plenty left, but all the disinfectant wipes were sold out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There's been a run on rubbing alcohol in my town, a suburb which borders Cambridge, MA.
Two Walgreens and a CVS were sold out of not only rubbing alcohol, but the alcohol swabs which diabetics use in the process of testing their blood sugar. Hoarding those is definitely uncool, given the more tangible medical need that a small percentage of people have for the swabs.
A second CVS had a treasure trove of alcohol, however, and I bought four 32 oz. bottles to use as hand sanitizer (something I started doing long before this current situation began. Refill a small pump bottle with alcohol as hand sanitizer and you'll save a lot of money, compared to buying "official" hand sanitizer.)
A local band I like is playing an early show at a no-cover bar near me tomorrow night. They play there twice a month.
I don't want to feel like I'm giving in to viral paranoia if I don't go, but they play there all of the time and I know I'll have many chances to see them again.
It's funny, but for all of the "go out and live your life" drum-banging I'm doing, I'm inclined to skip this. On the other hand, if public events do shut down for a while, this could be one of my last chances to go out and hear live music until everything gets sorted out.
As a local, do you think Big Ears is gonna go as planned?
I think they are going to give it their best shot just because I feel like this would be a difficult one to reschedule given the artists' schedules. I wouldn't feel safe about it happening until like Tuesday the week of, but if they do cancel, I feel like they had no other choices. What do you think, Radius Claus ?
I'd be shocked if it doesn't move forward as planned. They put together the strongest press release I've seen in a long time today (which I'm sure many of you have seen, but here it is).
I would also be surprised, though, if all the artists made the trip. I can't imagine where all they are coming from.
So Druid , do people have to have a fever to be contagious for the normal flu? And people can show no signs for up to two weeks with Corona and give it away? Are these things true? There is so much information being spewed everywhere all the time that I don't even remember what I once knew as fact.
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