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Post by gibsonguy20 on Feb 24, 2021 15:53:02 GMT -5
I weighted heavily on the ability to move tickets with my rankings. It pains me to rank some of these amazing lineups on the lower side of things, but the business side of me overpowered the music nerd in me.
Group 1 Cash Me Ousside - As others have said, it feels a little all over the place, but still the most likely to sell out while maintaining the III Points identity in this group. Does a good job with scheduling IMO.
Teddy / Gibsonguy20 - I wanted to rank my own 1st, but couldn’t with the knowledge that LCD Soundsystem couldn’t even move 9k worth of tickets in 2016. It wasn’t our intent to book a repeat of FYF headliners, but that’s how the cards fell to us when we had the 1st, 40th, and 41st pick on the Mind Melt. Plus who wouldn’t want to relive those previous FYF experiences? I still feel this sells above 15k a weekend as it has a cohesive lineup which plays well off each other, and stays fairly on brand for III Points.
KPO - No question this lineup would sell out, but the top of this lineup just isn’t on brand for III Points IMO. Nothing against Billie Ellish here, but it feels like this fest would get a bunch of college aged kids that don’t give a fuck about 80% of the other stuff playing. Lots of good stuff in here once you dig down, but would those artists enjoy playing this fest to a likely mostly uninterested crowd?
Theo - I don’t know what the market is for Cocteau Twins, but this lineup is deep for indie heads. I question if it has enough pop to sell 15k worth of tickets. It does feel way too indie heavy and not enough hip/hop for where III Points has headed these past few years with greater marketing success. Still a great lineup in my opinion, and I would definitely attend if I didn’t live on the other side of the country.
James the Ram - In full transparency, it’s probably my favorite lineup in this group for my taste, but I don’t think this thing could sell 12k worth of tickets. Some artists who are huge overseas just don’t translate well over here, and I think that’s what you’d find with this lineup. It has very little appeal to your average music fan, and would require older music nerds from across the country to flock to Miami to be successful.
Group 2 Jimmaddogmattis - I don’t think the headliners have enough pop to sell this thing out, but your mainframe artists will move tickets for sure. Not my favorite lineup in this group, but really cohesive and well thought out, and the scheduling plays well with each other.
Todd - As others have said, this feels a little hip/hop driven for an III Points fest. However, recent III Points festivals have trended that way with increased success so I don’t feel it’s a total change in direction by any means and would do fairly well commercially.
Chandler Bingaling - The one ultra rare headliner who would still sell in my opinion. Feels a little disjointed, and not sure if Sade fans would enjoy most of the other bookings, but like your scheduling for the most part, and think Sade fans could easily make a full day of it if given the chance.
Pepe Silver - Easily my favorite lineup in this group for my personal taste, but like other great lineups before, I question its ability to sell. Would need a lot of music nerds to flock to Miami to be successful.
Gocatsnu - Pitchfork would probably pan your lineup for being way too male heavy at the top. Still a great lineup for my taste, and I love your B2B set choices. Feels more disjointed than other festivals in this group, but lacks the star power to pull in tickets that other disjointed lineups have here.
I weighted heavily on the ability to move tickets with my rankings. It pains me to rank some of these amazing lineups on the lower side of things, but the business side of me overpowered the music nerd in me.
Group 1 Cash Me Ousside - As others have said, it feels a little all over the place, but still the most likely to sell out while maintaining the III Points identity in this group. Does a good job with scheduling IMO.
Teddy / Gibsonguy20 - I wanted to rank my own 1st, but couldn’t with the knowledge that LCD Soundsystem couldn’t even move 9k worth of tickets in 2016. It wasn’t our intent to book a repeat of FYF headliners, but that’s how the cards fell to us when we had the 1st, 40th, and 41st pick on the Mind Melt. Plus who wouldn’t want to relive those previous FYF experiences? I still feel this sells above 15k a weekend as it has a cohesive lineup which plays well off each other, and stays fairly on brand for III Points.
KPO - No question this lineup would sell out, but the top of this lineup just isn’t on brand for III Points IMO. Nothing against Billie Ellish here, but it feels like this fest would get a bunch of college aged kids that don’t give a fuck about 80% of the other stuff playing. Lots of good stuff in here once you dig down, but would those artists enjoy playing this fest to a likely mostly uninterested crowd?
Theo - I don’t know what the market is for Cocteau Twins, but this lineup is deep for indie heads. I question if it has enough pop to sell 15k worth of tickets. It does feel way too indie heavy and not enough hip/hop for where III Points has headed these past few years with greater marketing success. Still a great lineup in my opinion, and I would definitely attend if I didn’t live on the other side of the country.
James the Ram - In full transparency, it’s probably my favorite lineup in this group for my taste, but I don’t think this thing could sell 12k worth of tickets. Some artists who are huge overseas just don’t translate well over here, and I think that’s what you’d find with this lineup. It has very little appeal to your average music fan, and would require older music nerds from across the country to flock to Miami to be successful.
Group 2 Jimmaddogmattis - I don’t think the headliners have enough pop to sell this thing out, but your mainframe artists will move tickets for sure. Not my favorite lineup in this group, but really cohesive and well thought out, and the scheduling plays well with each other.
Todd - As others have said, this feels a little hip/hop driven for an III Points fest. However, recent III Points festivals have trended that way with increased success so I don’t feel it’s a total change in direction by any means and would do fairly well commercially.
Chandler Bingaling - The one ultra rare headliner who would still sell in my opinion. Feels a little disjointed, and not sure if Sade fans would enjoy most of the other bookings, but like your scheduling for the most part, and think Sade fans could easily make a full day of it if given the chance.
Pepe Silver - Easily my favorite lineup in this group for my personal taste, but like other great lineups before, I question its ability to sell. Would need a lot of music nerds to flock to Miami to be successful.
Gocatsnu - Pitchfork would probably pan your lineup for being way too male heavy at the top. Still a great lineup for my taste, and I love your B2B set choices. Feels more disjointed than other festivals in this group, but lacks the star power to pull in tickets that other disjointed lineups have here.
Groups C and D coming tonight.
Group C Rumdawg Millionaire - I think this lineup could sellout and like your mix of up and coming artists to go along with the super rare ones we music nerds over value. Every genre feels well represented here, and I think it’s really cohesive and on brand.
Your Pal Tranter - I assume Frank Ocean would sell this out, but also no show. I hope the contract you signed allows III Points to recoup some of that money. Day 1 really isn’t my scene, but I really love the scheduling for day 2 here. Feels a little off brand, but could see III Points heading this way to remain competitive in their market.
Sang_XCX - While Gorillaz definitely still have some festival appeal I question if this thing would be able to sell over 15k. Not sure if Fisher and Chris Lake have the pull in Miami that they do in LA, but know those two can move tickets in the right circumstances which is the main reason I edged you higher in this very competitive group.
Fear and Paranoia - This lineup is all over the place, but I still think works. Dua Lipa’s most recent album seems to have cross over appeal that most pop stars aren’t able to grab and doesn’t feel out of place here. She would move tickets for sure, but I don’t see a whole lot on here that would move tickets outside of that. MBV helped partially kill FYF so I question if their demand is what it once was. Props on the poster design! It’s probably my favorite of anyone.
Fred - I love this lineup. Easily my favorite in this group, but it’s another one that would likely struggle to bring in tickets in the States. However, I would gladly travel to Miami for this fest.
gibsonguy20 I think J Balvin himself can sell plenty of tickets in Miami, if that’s the argument you’re making to put me in the last spot
Totally plausible, and please forgive my ignorance on the commercial viability of the Reggaeton scenes when it comes to festivals. I probably under estimated it here, and I even live in Phoenix where it’s huge. In retrospect I probably should have put you slightly higher. I had 3, 4, and 5 in this group all change position multiple times, and even ranked Ousside over myself in group A which has Bad Bunny.
That said, I attended a smaller festival like this in Chicago where the Chemical Brothers headlined in 2015 and I don’t even think they had 10k. That’s even with with them playing on the same day as acts like Porter Robinson who were blowing up at that time. That’s honestly why I had you at the bottom. It wasn’t your first day lineup, it was really the second day.
gibsonguy20 I think J Balvin himself can sell plenty of tickets in Miami, if that’s the argument you’re making to put me in the last spot
Totally plausible, and please forgive my ignorance on the commercial viability of the Reggaeton scenes when it comes to festivals. I probably under estimated it here, and I even live in Phoenix where it’s huge. In retrospect I probably should have put you slightly higher. I had 3, 4, and 5 in this group all change position multiple times, and even ranked Ousside over myself in group A which has Bad Bunny.
That said, I attended a smaller festival like this in Chicago where the Chemical Brothers headlined in 2015 and I don’t even think they had 10k. That’s even with with them playing on the same day as acts like Porter Robinson who were blowing up at that time. That’s honestly why I had you at the bottom. It wasn’t your first day lineup, it was really the second day.
It's not too late to change things up!
I believe you're talking about North Coast festival, and actually it seems that support for The Chem Bros on their day were The Disco Biscuits and Portugal. The Man (not Porter) - which kind of explains why it didn't even sell 10k. Whereas I have The xx, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Nina Kraviz, Jamie xx b2b etc. as support - I'm pretty sure this day would easily sell 15k tickets based even only these names.
Anyway, thanks for explaining your vote still.
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Post by gibsonguy20 on Feb 24, 2021 19:51:33 GMT -5
Apparently my fiancé and I are going to be putting in an offer on a house tonight, so I’m going to refrain from putting in my description of everyone’s lineup for the final group at this time.
Group D Where is Passion Pit Jake Jortles Kvothe R YoucoolMan69
Apparently my fiancé and I are going to be putting in an offer on a house tonight, so I’m going to refrain from putting in my description of everyone’s lineup for the final group at this time.
Group D Where is Passion Pit Jake Jortles Kvothe R YoucoolMan69
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Alright this is taking me too long and it's too hard to rank, I'll do the other two groups sometime tomorrow night probably. Sorry if the comments are mostly negative it would take me forever to say all the positive things, all of these would be dream lineups to attend.
Group A 1. Teddy/Gibson: I think the Missy/Flume day sells out but not sure about the other one. This feels like III Points but it almost feels like FYF more? I think you could have used a bit more star power on the Isotropic stage to fix that, or maybe it's that FYF booked a ton of these acts. Despacio is a cool get. Just really good balance of Quality/Feels like III Points/Sales 2. Cash Me Ouside: One of my favorites for my tastes but feels a bit... disjointed/unbalanced? Lots of very rare gets which would be great but I think it lacks some curation specially on the main stage. Not sure your first day sells out, and not sure anyone shows up to the second day until Bad Bunny. 3. JamesTheRam: Dream III Points lineup that feels well curated (love the poster too), but I think this would struggle to sell tickets. I think Freddie Gibbs is the only rap act and no R&B which feels off for III Points 4. KPO: Billie Eilish and Kid Cudi would move a ton of tickets, but I'm not sure why you put them on the same day, feels unbalanced and idk if the second day sells out. I'm on the fence on if this feels like a III points lineup or not, lots of artists that I could see them booking on their own but as a whole it feels off (the pop main stage, Carti/Cudi feels more Rolling Loud, the electronic is a bit too mainstream). 5. Theo: Feels like an amazing indie rock festival but not III Points, not enough of the budget spent on electronic. Not sure this sells out either.
Group B 1. Jimmy: The main stage run on the NiN day feels a bit weird, I think you needed something different in the JMJ spot maybe. Overall this is a great balance of Quality/Feels like III Points/Sales 2. Bing: Good balance and lots of great acts but The National really sticks out, doesn't seem like a III Points act much less a headliner that plays after Disclosure. I don't think your first day sells out, maybe the second does. Feels a little more Primavera than III Points, but still hit the mark overall 3. Pepe: Good stuff throughout but I don't think either day sells out. The main stage runs seem a bit random. Grimes should be a main stage act IMO. Definitely feels like III Points, but Sufjan sticks out a bit. 4. Todd: Your first day feels way too much like Camp Flog and I don't think your second day sells well at all. Still this is packed with stuff I love and the Dan Deacon -> Panda Bear -> Atomic Bomb -> James Murphy run might be my favorite of the festival 5. GoCats: Phoebe -> Pavement -> Vampire Weekend is a cool run but it isn't III Points. Your Isotropic stage feels too small, and tbh kinda pointless because it mostly feels like a worse version of your Main Frame
Group C Fred: Debated Lil Uzi a bunch, best value of the draft for tickets. Your run of Mitski -> Nick Cave -> XX -> Chem Bros is soooo sick. Not a big fan of your Sector 3 stage but thats personal taste. Sang: This is sick and I feel like there's something for everyone. Not sure if it would sell out but it would do well, smart to put Chris Lake/Fisher the same day as Kraftwerk/Atoms to make sure you still move tickets. That second day Boiler room seems a bit too mainstream, but again it kinda works with your niche headliners. Tranter: I think this sells out and I would love to attend. Not sure this is a III Points lineup though, I think Black Coffee is your only DJ in the top 20 names or so. Not sure there's a precedent for a Megan Thee Stallion booking but it would be cool. Rummy: I don't think this would move tickets. I might be wrong and maybe Rosalia moves tickets in Miami but I don't actually believe she has a headliner audience in the US yet. Postal Servie and NMH is double dipping on something this festival doesn't really book. Fearandparanoia: I know the board likes Dua Lipa but I don't think she fits III Points, Robyn is the closest precedent and that's a stretch. Lineup has a lot of good stuff but feels dated, not sure there's much appeal for a 2022 festival audience.
Group D WhereIsPassionPit: This is a III Points lineup that represents the brand identity of the festival and sells out at capacity, which was the goal of the game Jortles: I think if you had taken Travis Scott instead of The Cure this lineup would have been a homerun because you sell out and it's more in line with this festival IMO. For my tastes it's amazing though. Kvothe: Great balance of cool stuff and stuff that sells but is still in line with III Points. Bjork is a perfect headliner and Tyler is much bigger now than when he played last. This lineup would have been #1 in other groups YouCoolMan: Great lineup but doesn't feel like III Points R: Great lineup but would bankrupt the festival
I don’t think my lineup sells significantly worse than some of the other group d lineups.
Kvothe, jortles and I would have somewhat comparable sales. The cure, bjork and massive attack/new order probably move about the same number of tickets. The cure move more but probably not by a ton. Tyler and Robyn are comparable with Tyler having a bit of an edge. I think both are bigger than justice.
Kvothe, jortles and I would have somewhat comparable sales. The cure, bjork and massive attack/new order probably move about the same number of tickets. The cure move more but probably not by a ton. Tyler and Robyn are comparable with Tyler having a bit of an edge. I think both are bigger than justice.
I mean you could be right but I disagree. I don't think you have a single act that would need to play outside of a tent at a major festival, maybe Robyn but even she played a tent at Bonnaroo. I legitimately think post-Igor Tyler The Creator sells more tickets than your entire lineup and I'm not trying to be a dick, I like your lineup a lot, but it's very niche.
Alright this is taking me too long and it's too hard to rank, I'll do the other two groups sometime tomorrow night probably. Sorry if the comments are mostly negative it would take me forever to say all the positive things, all of these would be dream lineups to attend.
Group A 1. Teddy/Gibson: I think the Missy/Flume day sells out but not sure about the other one. This feels like III Points but it almost feels like FYF more? I think you could have used a bit more star power on the Isotropic stage to fix that, or maybe it's that FYF booked a ton of these acts. Despacio is a cool get. Just really good balance of Quality/Feels like III Points/Sales 2. Cash Me Ouside: One of my favorites for my tastes but feels a bit... disjointed/unbalanced? Lots of very rare gets which would be great but I think it lacks some curation specially on the main stage. Not sure your first day sells out, and not sure anyone shows up to the second day until Bad Bunny. 3. JamesTheRam: Dream III Points lineup that feels well curated (love the poster too), but I think this would struggle to sell tickets. I think Freddie Gibbs is the only rap act and no R&B which feels off for III Points 4. KPO: Billie Eilish and Kid Cudi would move a ton of tickets, but I'm not sure why you put them on the same day, feels unbalanced and idk if the second day sells out. I'm on the fence on if this feels like a III points lineup or not, lots of artists that I could see them booking on their own but as a whole it feels off (the pop main stage, Carti/Cudi feels more Rolling Loud, the electronic is a bit too mainstream). 5. Theo: Feels like an amazing indie rock festival but not III Points, not enough of the budget spent on electronic. Not sure this sells out either.
Group B 1. Jimmy: The main stage run on the NiN day feels a bit weird, I think you needed something different in the JMJ spot maybe. Overall this is a great balance of Quality/Feels like III Points/Sales 2. Bing: Good balance and lots of great acts but The National really sticks out, doesn't seem like a III Points act much less a headliner that plays after Disclosure. I don't think your first day sells out, maybe the second does. Feels a little more Primavera than III Points, but still hit the mark overall 3. Pepe: Good stuff throughout but I don't think either day sells out. The main stage runs seem a bit random. Grimes should be a main stage act IMO. Definitely feels like III Points, but Sufjan sticks out a bit. 4. Todd: Your first day feels way too much like Camp Flog and I don't think your second day sells well at all. Still this is packed with stuff I love and the Dan Deacon -> Panda Bear -> Atomic Bomb -> James Murphy run might be my favorite of the festival 5. GoCats: Phoebe -> Pavement -> Vampire Weekend is a cool run but it isn't III Points. Your Isotropic stage feels too small, and tbh kinda pointless because it mostly feels like a worse version of your Main Frame
Group C Fred: Debated Lil Uzi a bunch, best value of the draft for tickets. Your run of Mitski -> Nick Cave -> XX -> Chem Bros is soooo sick. Not a big fan of your Sector 3 stage but thats personal taste. Sang: This is sick and I feel like there's something for everyone. Not sure if it would sell out but it would do well, smart to put Chris Lake/Fisher the same day as Kraftwerk/Atoms to make sure you still move tickets. That second day Boiler room seems a bit too mainstream, but again it kinda works with your niche headliners. Tranter: I think this sells out and I would love to attend. Not sure this is a III Points lineup though, I think Black Coffee is your only DJ in the top 20 names or so. Not sure there's a precedent for a Megan Thee Stallion booking but it would be cool. Rummy: I don't think this would move tickets. I might be wrong and maybe Rosalia moves tickets in Miami but I don't actually believe she has a headliner audience in the US yet. Postal Servie and NMH is double dipping on something this festival doesn't really book. Fearandparanoia: I know the board likes Dua Lipa but I don't think she fits III Points, Robyn is the closest precedent and that's a stretch. Lineup has a lot of good stuff but feels dated, not sure there's much appeal for a 2022 festival audience.
Group D WhereIsPassionPit: This is a III Points lineup that represents the brand identity of the festival and sells out at capacity, which was the goal of the game Kvothe: Great balance of cool stuff and stuff that sells but is still in line with III Points. Bjork is a perfect headliner and Tyler is much bigger now than when he played last. This lineup would have been #1 in other groups Jortles: I think if you had taken Travis Scott instead of The Cure this lineup would have been a homerun because you sell out and it's more in line with this festival IMO. For my tastes it's amazing though. YouCoolMan: Great lineup but doesn't feel like III Points R: Great lineup but would bankrupt the festival
Updated to move Kvothe up after hearing The Cure had as big of a crowd as Robyn at ACL
Kvothe, jortles and I would have somewhat comparable sales. The cure, bjork and massive attack/new order probably move about the same number of tickets. The cure move more but probably not by a ton. Tyler and Robyn are comparable with Tyler having a bit of an edge. I think both are bigger than justice.
I mean you could be right but I disagree. I don't think you have a single act that would need to play outside of a tent at a major festival, maybe Robyn but even she played a tent at Bonnaroo. I legitimately think post-Igor Tyler The Creator sells more tickets than your entire lineup and I'm not trying to be a dick, I like your lineup a lot, but it's very niche.
Robyn played Bonnaroo ten years ago. She headlined the same stage as the cure at acl and they had a comparable crowd in 2019. I think you might be overestimating Tyler’s draw. I know he toured arenas but They closed off the upper bowl in Miami.
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