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Thoughts on adding 88 rising to the Saturday set times? I know I brought this up a while back, but they continue to be listed under artists for Saturday so I think it makes sense that they are going to be given an hour long medley feature. They aren’t being listed under artist just for having a market on one day of the fest IMO.
I keep forgetting about this.
Yeah I guess we should do this huh? Thoughts on how we should make it happen?
Honestly not sure. Part of me wants to put it in the Sahara, but at the same time I have no idea what to expect from this show. You would think Coachella would want to highlight this with them announcing another Head in the Clouds fest a few weeks back. So Coachella stage or Sahara is my best guess. I don’t think Anita or Giveon have to play right before Megan so maybe this feature would be a good spot there.
88rising could be earlier on the main stage. None of the bottom three acts that we have on the mock now *need* to be on the main or even seem likely. I think we've been back and forth on whether Isaiah should be main or Sahara but Chelsea and Holly could be literally anywhere. 88rising --> Isaiah --> Anitta etc would be fine by me. This is a weird special placement with really no precedent.
Alternatively it could be a smaller scale special stage or art installation a la Despacio or Childish Gambino's movie - do we know for a fact that it is a live performance and, if so, that it is just one set? There are over 20 artists currently listed on their Wikipedia page although some are so small that they have no Wiki of their own. Like could it be a smaller Despacio/Do Lab style stage with a bunch of mini sets one day? Like a sampler of their up and comers?
We'll be so so so wrong on so many standard artists that I see no point why we shouldn't swing for the fences and make some bold claim on this even if we get the entire format wrong.
88rising could be earlier on the main stage. None of the bottom three acts that we have on the mock now *need* to be on the main or even seem likely. I think we've been back and forth on whether Isaiah should be main or Sahara but Chelsea and Holly could be literally anywhere. 88rising --> Isaiah --> Anitta etc would be fine by me. This is a weird special placement with really no precedent.
Alternatively it could be a smaller scale special stage or art installation a la Despacio or Childish Gambino's movie - do we know for a fact that it is a live performance and, if so, that it is just one set? There are over 20 artists currently listed on their Wikipedia page although some are so small that they have no Wiki of their own. Like could it be a smaller Despacio/Do Lab style stage with a bunch of mini sets one day? Like a sampler of their up and comers?
We'll be so so so wrong on so many standard artists that I see no point why we shouldn't swing for the fences and make some bold claim on this even if we get the entire format wrong.
I put them in the Sahara, and moved Miane to the Yuma, and to me at least, this feels a lot more correct. Having the first act in the Sahara at 2:45 be Whipped Cream instead of Miane looks a lot better imo, and the only way we would be able to keep it that way is with 88rising or Isaiah in the Sahara, and I'm leaning more toward 88.
Was originally also thinking that 88rising could be it's own thing like Despacio, but the more I think about it, the more that a single 50 minute showcase makes a lot more sense than a whole weekend long situation.
Post by TickleMeElmo on Mar 28, 2022 19:30:18 GMT -5
On the set times I was working on (which at this point I don't know if I'll ever get done with it lol) I had 88rising in the Sahara earlier in the day with Rich Brian right after. I did notice though that in the AEG press release for the lineup, 88rising was mentioned alongside the headliners so maybe they'll get a later time slot than I anticipated.
Also mentioning this, the drone footage from Reddit shows that the Mojave could end up being the old Sahara tent. If that's true, we could possibly see bigger acts get thrown in there now.
On the set times I was working on (which at this point I don't know if I'll ever get done with it lol) I had 88rising in the Sahara earlier in the day with Rich Brian right after. I did notice that in the AEG press release for the lineup, 88rising was mentioned alongside the headliners so maybe they'll get a later time slot than I anticipated.
Also mentioning this, the drone footage from Reddit shows that the Mojave could end up being the old Sahara tent. If that's true, we could possibly see bigger acts get thrown in there now.
Yeah if the Mojave is really the old Sahara then acts like Madeon could easily slide in there. Probably means that acts like King Gizzard would also be more likely on the Outdoor IMO if the Mojave has a really upscaled production.
I’d keep things the way we do until we get a little more confirmation. The drone shooter said he would come back next week for an update.
Adding on to Gibsonguy, if the Mojave is the old Sahara tent born again, and we know that Lane 8 is playing it, I am wondering if this will sort of become another tent for electronic and high production acts. Sahara has become more and more the hip-hop tent and I can't think of the last time an EDM act overflew that tent the way that Post, Migos, YG, Cudi, etc all did.
The sheer height of the old Sahara makes it an odd fit for acts like Snoh Alegra or Orville Peck. But might become a more attractive fit for Madeon or Jamie XX or Stromae than it would have been last time around.
Not suggesting we get rid of EDM in the Sahara, everybody there can stay, but just something to play around with.
Adding on to Gibsonguy, if the Mojave is the old Sahara tent born again, and we know that Lane 8 is playing it, I am wondering if this will sort of become another tent for electronic and high production acts. Sahara has become more and more the hip-hop tent and I can't think of the last time an EDM act overflew that tent the way that Post, Migos, YG, Cudi, etc all did.
The sheer height of the old Sahara makes it an odd fit for acts like Snoh Alegra or Orville Peck. But might become a more attractive fit for Madeon or Jamie XX or Stromae than it would have been last time around.
Not suggesting we get rid of EDM in the Sahara, everybody there can stay, but just something to play around with.
isn't this what the mojave has basically been for a few years already?
Adding on to Gibsonguy, if the Mojave is the old Sahara tent born again, and we know that Lane 8 is playing it, I am wondering if this will sort of become another tent for electronic and high production acts. Sahara has become more and more the hip-hop tent and I can't think of the last time an EDM act overflew that tent the way that Post, Migos, YG, Cudi, etc all did.
The sheer height of the old Sahara makes it an odd fit for acts like Snoh Alegra or Orville Peck. But might become a more attractive fit for Madeon or Jamie XX or Stromae than it would have been last time around.
Not suggesting we get rid of EDM in the Sahara, everybody there can stay, but just something to play around with.
isn't this what the mojave has basically been for a few years already?
Informally yes but with plenty of acts like King Princess or Clairo that would look dumb in a tent with that huge of a scale, and with plenty of big production acts shuffled over to the outdoor after dark instead of the Mojave.
Post by braundiggity on Mar 29, 2022 16:58:57 GMT -5
I'm excited that (if?) the Mojave takes on the old Sahara tent, but yeah, it could be weird if they don't emphasize production in that tent. Coachella hasn't come close to hitting 125k attendees since Beyonce played (certainly not weekend 2) and secondhand ticket prices are already really low and probably going to plummet soon; it's an odd time to make things bigger, and I hope it doesn't make sets feel too empty in there.
On the flip side, we might see a lot more people this year avoiding getting into packed crowds given continuing Covid hesitations, so more space is probably a good thing.
I'm excited that (if?) the Mojave takes on the old Sahara tent, but yeah, it could be weird if they don't emphasize production in that tent. Coachella hasn't come close to hitting 125k attendees since Beyonce played (certainly not weekend 2) and secondhand ticket prices are already really low and probably going to plummet soon; it's an odd time to make things bigger, and I hope it doesn't make sets feel too empty in there.
On the flip side, we might see a lot more people this year avoiding getting into packed crowds given continuing Covid hesitations, so more space is probably a good thing.
I honestly had the same thought - Mojave and Gobi were full for every set I saw so I think de-scaling the Gobi was the right move, but they weren't overcrowded and only Lizzo overflowed the Mojave that I saw. So - why boost the size? I am wondering if they are going to shift some of the bigger acts from nighttime outdoor over? EDIT: I hate to bring up the old debate but also makes me wonder if the Mojave last year really was the same size as the old Sahara or at least so close to it that expanding it to old Sahara doesn't really change the calculus all that much.
I don't think people are going to be wary of full tents, or at least not so many that it would affect attendance. If anything I think most of the wary types are just going to sit this year out, and many of the attendees are going to embrace "normality" again. I think people are just ready to move on...whether or not you believe that is wise is of course a YMMV thing, but in my own life I see people who took this pandemic seriously, got the booster, etc who are now hitting a "we're good, let me live again" point.
Post by Larry Farnsworth on Mar 29, 2022 19:43:43 GMT -5
Have we considered that the Hu might be playing the Sonora?
Looking at past schedules, the type of acts that play in the general range of 7 PM in the Gobi are billed a lot higher - for instance, in 2019 it was acts like dvsn, Maggie Rodgers, 070 Shake, all of whom were billed at least a couple lines above where the Hu are. If they're really at 7, I'd put money against it being in the Gobi.
Have we considered that the Hu might be playing the Sonora?
Looking at past schedules, the type of acts that play in the general range of 7 PM in the Gobi are billed a lot higher - for instance, in 2019 it was acts like dvsn, Maggie Rodgers, 070 Shake, all of whom were billed at least a couple lines above where the Hu are. If they're really at 7, I'd put money against it being in the Gobi.
Have we considered that the Hu might be playing the Sonora?
Looking at past schedules, the type of acts that play in the general range of 7 PM in the Gobi are billed a lot higher - for instance, in 2019 it was acts like dvsn, Maggie Rodgers, 070 Shake, all of whom were billed at least a couple lines above where the Hu are. If they're really at 7, I'd put money against it being in the Gobi.
I still can’t comprehend the insanely prime set time for the Hu, but fully admit that they are an act that actually books decent size venues around the country. They’ll just have a dismal crowd at Coachella likely because it’s Coachella. I think they make sense in the Gobi, whereas Spirtualized I could still see headlining the Sonora. They are being booked at the same venues as lots of other Sonora artists are getting here in Phoenix and apparently aren’t close to selling out the venue. I really hope they get a daytime Gobi set because it’s going to be one sad crowd if they play at the same time as Harry or SHM.
Edit: Counter argument acts like the Blaze played around that time and were billed even lower than the Hu.
Have we considered that the Hu might be playing the Sonora?
Looking at past schedules, the type of acts that play in the general range of 7 PM in the Gobi are billed a lot higher - for instance, in 2019 it was acts like dvsn, Maggie Rodgers, 070 Shake, all of whom were billed at least a couple lines above where the Hu are. If they're really at 7, I'd put money against it being in the Gobi.
They weren't on the Sonora 2020 poster.
yeah i mean that's all well and good, but if they're playing at 7 PM, it's not in the Gobi.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Mar 30, 2022 9:50:14 GMT -5
For reference, Maggie Rogers, 070 Shake, and Polo and Pan played the Gobi at 7 last fest, which actually looking at the venues Hu have booked are kinda right in the middle of that range
yeah i mean that's all well and good, but if they're playing at 7 PM, it's not in the Gobi.
Why?
because they'll have a tiny crowd and they're not wasting a prime time tent slot on the Hu
I've seen people bring up the Blaze from 2018 for a billing comparison, but despite the low billing, the Blaze were buzzy as hell in 2018 and being touted as the next big dance act, the Hu aren't comparable
my guess is the whole "7 PM" thing is just due to the fact that it says 7 PM for literally every show on their tour, and that they play a daytime set
Yeah I mean...I don't know...The Hu seems like an act GV is excited about and will try to feature and I agree, while Turnstile can survive a 7:00 tent slot, not sure The Hu can.
I also don't know how religiously we need to take 2020 Sonora confirmations - I understand somebody other than Paul books that tent - but same deal with Sahara. It's not like Framework/Yuma level degrees of separation no? The Sonora guy still works for GV? Some of the 2020 Sonora acts are *not* playing Sonora this year - there's no way - they've gotten too big and I can see GV shuffling things around.
To ensure The Hu gets a good show, 7:00 Sonora headliner works, 4:00ish in the Gobi works, 7:00 in the Gobi is like 10 people. It's fucking Friday night - as the sun begins to go down, this is the night where people prioritize the party. Rock acts had amazing attendance last year compared to Bey-chella and filled the tents - but I also think they were scheduled more strategically.
Post by braundiggity on Mar 30, 2022 13:20:11 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem for rock acts during Beychella was the lack of rock headliner. If you don't give that crowd a big act to merit the cost of attending, they're less likely to attend. This year will be weird since we had Rage, but they dropped, and we have Harry Styles, but he's still got the pop label on him.
I think it's a mistake to compare The Hu to other rock acts with paltry crowds like X Japan or Ride. They're a lot buzzier, and I think they'll draw a reasonable crowd regardless of where they're placed. But we'll see; I definitely think the 7pm "confirmation" could simply be related to their website auto generating that time, but I also think they could play at 7pm.
Lastly: it's notable they didn't release a Sonora lineup this year, so I also don't think we should necessarily take that as gospel, but if an act was considered too big for the Sonora in 2020, they're probably still too big for the Sonora.
I mean - Tame Impala is barely rock at this point and rock bands drew well last year.
I think the main issue was not so much the lack of a rock headliner, but that you had a megastar, one of Coachella's biggest headliners *ever*, that was known to the general public before pre-sale began. I don't think that had ever happened before at Coachella, and consequently I have never seen such a high concentration of attendees who came for just one act. The same thing may have happened to rappers and R&B singers that year if Led Zeppelin had announced a two-off reunion show before pre-sale began.
I guessssss that sort of happened this year with RATM but by the same principle, if you were just coming for RATM you probably sold your tickets already, or are still hoping to.
I think the days of rock bands being viable #2s is pretty much done but there's no question that the "known headliner factor" would screw over any act that was on the polar opposite side of the music spectrum.
because they'll have a tiny crowd and they're not wasting a prime time tent slot on the Hu
I've seen people bring up the Blaze from 2018 for a billing comparison, but despite the low billing, the Blaze were buzzy as hell in 2018 and being touted as the next big dance act, the Hu aren't comparable my guess is the whole "7 PM" thing is just due to the fact that it says 7 PM for literally every show on their tour, and that they play a daytime set
But it doesn't....certain dates have times like 6:30, 2:30, and 12pm.
because they'll have a tiny crowd and they're not wasting a prime time tent slot on the Hu
I've seen people bring up the Blaze from 2018 for a billing comparison, but despite the low billing, the Blaze were buzzy as hell in 2018 and being touted as the next big dance act, the Hu aren't comparable my guess is the whole "7 PM" thing is just due to the fact that it says 7 PM for literally every show on their tour, and that they play a daytime set
But it doesn't....certain dates have times like 6:30, 2:30, and 12pm.
