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Post by Teddy Flair on Jul 29, 2022 11:18:19 GMT -5
I went to an Applebee's on Thanksgiving in Florence, Alabama one year, there was a guy who bought Fireball shots for everyone sitting at the bar until they ran out, about two and a half bottles later. It's one of the best restaurant experiences I've ever had.
It’s not I have a problem with songs that focus on the culture of country music, it’s that so much of pop country has a either direct or implied message that says the white rural or antebellum experience is the “real” one, and inherently better than others that I find off putting. Especially since a lot of the imagery they glorify of farms and trucks is becoming less and less reflective of what life is like in even those areas.
And often it was never like that. It's not really different than Baudrillard's argument that Disney World is a simulacra. That main street America never existed outside of the cultural imagination that felt it necessary to create it.
That's one of worst offenses of modern country. The reliance on nostalgia and this old world where things were better. I don't have to explain how to is just a smaller trend that manifests itself in right wing populism politically. But even tho it's mostly left unsaid it's pretty clear where the problem is. People used to be moral and you could walk down the street without fear. And your neighbors were friendly. Everything was clean and people worked hard and they went to church. On and on. Liberal democracy destroyed all this. It was the libs, folks. It's certainly not a good thing that this notion is reinforced a thousands times a day on the radio.
And even if you don’t buy into any of that, every song being about trucks and farms and beer and listening to George Jones just gets fucking boring and repetitive. Every hit song has to work in the cliche cultural signifiers and it’s exhausting.
I really hate this. I've been forced to listen to country radio a lot in my life and this has always gotten on my nerves. I'm in the Bible Belt but my town is mostly industrial based... it's in the mountains and not the best farm land in the region, etc. There are farms but maybe 5% of the population makes their living working a farm. Plus it was Native land up until the Trail of Tears. The last territory of the Cherokee. Anyway, it was never really "suburban" like you'd see outside a major city but most of the people around here are not farmers and didn't grow up on a fucking farm. But the music they mainly listen to is filled with a world they relate to that's completely alien to their lives. It's just so bizarre.
But it should be said that plenty of other genres have similar problems. It's just not always as widespread and obvious as it is in country music from the 90s onward.
Most of the country people toss up here as good either avoids the “us vs them” trap or talks about identity in either an inclusive or truly personal way. In Dolly Parton’s “Why’d You Come in Here,” for example, the fact that the love interest is wearing boots and tight jeans is just the backdrop to the larger point of the song. It’s framed from her own country perspective but the larger theme is relatable. Compare that to a Jason Aldean song like “Dirt Road Anthem” or “She’s Country.” Those songs are just long strings of cliche stitched together.
This is my hometown. This is where I had my first beer. Then my old man and me got in a fight. Then I fogged the windows up in my old truck with the girl that got away. I like to sit at the old bar and retail these stories while my buddies and I listen to Springsteen.
Over thinking. Pussy ass means wimp, it’s not anatomical.
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…which has absolutely never been accused of misogyny.
Well they have and were. We found out from Elpingu two days ago that Miami is still a hotbed of derogatory female names. I first heard pussy ass as a term from that very song. It refers to soft rappers and chump pimps and had nothing to do with women. Pretty much every guy in existence has called a guy friend a pussy for one reason or another. That’s not a negative against vaginas themselves or women whatsoever. I also went to black school from 3rd thru 6th, so I have been called a bitch and a hoe more times than I could count. Pussy and honkey too. I don’t care and never let that kind of shit bother me.
Maybe it's been brought up before but the prompt is which genre do you like the least; doesn't matter if it's influential or whatever, unless you like to say you like a genre because of a cerebral appreciation of it and not because you actually like to listen to it. In which case you do you.
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there is definitely plenty of country pop that is just bad. but some of it is good, it just doesn't speak to the experience of the typical inforoo'er, or otherwise describes a culture that inforoo doesn't find appealing or interesting. that's OK, we don't have to force ourselves to like music that doesn't appeal to us, but it doesn't mean it's all objectively bad.
It’s not I have a problem with songs that focus on the culture of country music, it’s that so much of pop country has a either direct or implied message that says the white rural or antebellum experience is the “real” one, and inherently better than others that I find off putting. Especially since a lot of the imagery they glorify of farms and trucks is becoming less and less reflective of what life is like in even those areas.
And even if you don’t buy into any of that, every song being about trucks and farms and beer and listening to George Jones just gets fucking boring and repetitive. Every hit song has to work in the cliche cultural signifiers and it’s exhausting.
Most of the country people toss up here as good either avoids the “us vs them” trap or talks about identity in either an inclusive or truly personal way. In Dolly Parton’s “Why’d You Come in Here,” for example, the fact that the love interest is wearing boots and tight jeans is just the backdrop to the larger point of the song. It’s framed from her own country perspective but the larger theme is relatable. Compare that to a Jason Aldean song like “Dirt Road Anthem” or “She’s Country.” Those songs are just long strings of cliche stitched together.
Anyway, not voting country just yet because there is enough good to balance out the bad, but soon.
none of what you said is wrong, but regarding the bolded above, art in general has a history of referring to a time or experience or place that is inherently "better" or more natural than whatever people's current experience is. the country music you are specifically referring to is basically in the same tradition as pastoral poetry, which portrayed a fantastical idyllic version of the rural life, which goes all the way back to the greeks and certainly was a big part of Romantic poetry, which was itself a reaction to the science-y Enlightenment ideas. basically anytime a civilization has built a functioning society, some artists are going to point out the weaknesses of that society and try and highlight the opposite of that as being better, which often involves being around less people and in wide open spaces. the criticism this type of art offers is often real, but the alternative they provide is a often a lie.
but more supporting your point, even if a lot of art is a lie, it's nice if the lie has at least a whiff of authenticity. like jason isbell never lived in a town by himself for a year amongst the alabama pines, but he absolutely has driven home on the interstate between those alabama pines and felt a deep sadness about the difficulties he's had in his life, and you can feel that in "Alabama Pines". there are absolutely country artists who are inauthentic and the nashville machine puts together these buzzword-littered pop songs for them, perfectly designed to pierce the hearts of minds of the only demographic left that purchases CDs. and i'm not trying to say we have to like that just because other people do.
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