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We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
The thing about trigger warnings is that they are often spoilers themselves.
It's one thing to put it before a comedy like Severance where you aren't necessarily expecting something dark like the elevator scene, but I think with a doomsday apocalyptic ultra-bummer show like this, stuff like this week's ending kind of comes with the territory. We don't watch shows like this to feel good.
Guessing she is mainly talking about suicide. But children being so starkly shot in the head is pretty triggering for some folks too and has traditionally been taboo in film.
I agree with J that anyone who chooses to watch a show like this should SURELY know there is going to be fucked up shit ahead of time and I am not a fan of trigger warnings in general because it spoils it for majority of viewers, who don't need it. But I also know that companies have to label things like rat poisoning and say it is not for human consumption for a reason, so I am probably giving humans a bit too much credit. I would prefer that shows came with it as an option, like saying "go to HBO.com/LastTrigger' or something like for trigger warnings. And that would allow people who know that they have situations that are difficult for them to prepare and those who do not have any to remain upspoiled.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Shows like this used to come with a vague warning like "This show contains material some audiences may find disturbing. Viewer discretion advised" and I thought that was all you needed, but then I think shows started using it as a selling point which kinda desensitized the message.
Guessing she is mainly talking about suicide. But children being so starkly shot in the head is pretty triggering for some folks too and has traditionally been taboo in film.
I agree with J that anyone who chooses to watch a show like this should SURELY know there is going to be fucked up shit ahead of time and I am not a fan of trigger warnings in general because it spoils it for majority of viewers, who don't need it. But I also know that companies have to label things like rat poisoning and say it is not for human consumption for a reason, so I am probably giving humans a bit too much credit. I would prefer that shows came with it as an option, like saying "go to HBO.com/LastTrigger' or something like for trigger warnings. And that would allow people who know that they have situations that are difficult for them to prepare and those who do not have any to remain upspoiled.
What I appreciated on how they framed both gunshots - Sam's murder and Henry's suicide - is that it was a medium shot and they didn't actually show either shot itself. Sam's was from the back and Henry's was just the setup and Ellie's reaction. I feel like in the past it's been gory or heavily dramatic as a means of squeezing out every last drop of emotion from the tragic scene. So much was sad about it, but it wasn't trauma porn.
Maybe because its based much more in reality than most of the other zombie stuff? You could literally die at any time and there is no such thing as plot armor.
And lots of "oh shit" yelling during the swarm scene while watching.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Feb 12, 2023 14:14:26 GMT -5
If you think about it, every other episode (1, 3, 5) end with the suicide of characters our protagonists met/interacted with. Some just less heart breaking, sort of
Just want to take a minute to say between this and Andor, I'm hoping we are seeing the birth of a trend here with taking otherwise B-level concepts/franchises coupled with A-list writing/directing talents.
Like if the last 8 years have been defined by nostalgia fueled legacy reboots, let's make the next 8 defined by investment in top-tier suspense writing.
Give me Ninja Turtles written and directed by Denis Villeneuve, or Red Dead Redemption written and directed by Taylor Sheridan.
Just want to take a minute to say between this and Andor, I'm hoping we are seeing the birth of a trend here with taking otherwise B-level concepts/franchises coupled with A-list writing/directing talents.
Like if the last 8 years have been defined by nostalgia fueled legacy reboots, let's make the next 8 defined by investment in top-tier suspense writing.
Give me Ninja Turtles written and directed by Denis Villeneuve, or Red Dead Redemption written and directed by Taylor Sheridan.
One of my kids would kill someone to see RDR movies done at a top level. Been trying to get him to watch Assassination of Jesse James because RDR takes so many notes from it but hasn't happened yet.
I would argue the B level things of some video games. I could see it because some don't take video games seriously, but some, including last of us and RDR, are such great games bc they've done so much with making the narrative a priority.
Ok so weird we are talking about triggers and then last night I was listening to NPR’s Hidden Brain podcast and the episode was about anxiety. They discussed trigger warnings! The person said studies show that often when you give a trigger warning, it makes the uncomfortable feelings worse b/c you are constantly anticipating something bad coming. That anxiety is not the issue, but how we deal with it. And trying to “warn” yourself or take away the scary situation is really not all that good for you in the long run.
A cool thing shown in the post-credit feature is the actor who played Sam is deaf and speaks ASL. Thought that was great.
EAP, in the aftershow feature they called that big guy a "bloater." Prob someone who had too many beers and microwaved clams before becoming infected.
That swarm scene was great chaos. I barely kept track of what was happening due to the frenzy and darkness but perhaps confusion was part of the point. First time I truly understood the terror and threat of the infected. Unless if I'm forgetting something I don't think we've seen them massed together like that before.
That went a long way to settle my soul after the tragic episode ending. Wonderful representation and so lovely that many of the cast and crew picked up some sign language working with him <3 Hope to see him again! He did a great job, as I usually find child actors quite cringe lol.
What makes this show dark is that we see the humanity and love that motivates every character, even if it's at a huge cost. It's never a motive of power and cruelty like it is in all other post-apocalyptic / fantasy stuff (GOT, Walking Dead).
As someone who absolutely HATED TWD I appreciate this as well. I was skeptical to start this show because of it, but I'm so glad I did.
What makes this show dark is that we see the humanity and love that motivates every character, even if it's at a huge cost. It's never a motive of power and cruelty like it is in all other post-apocalyptic / fantasy stuff (GOT, Walking Dead).
As someone who absolutely HATED TWD I appreciate this as well. I was skeptical to start this show because of it, but I'm so glad I did.
Ok so weird we are talking about triggers and then last night I was listening to NPR’s Hidden Brain podcast and the episode was about anxiety. They discussed trigger warnings! The person said studies show that often when you give a trigger warning, it makes the uncomfortable feelings worse b/c you are constantly anticipating something bad coming. That anxiety is not the issue, but how we deal with it. And trying to “warn” yourself or take away the scary situation is really not all that good for you in the long run.
This makes a lot of sense. I have found CW or TW to be more of whether or not someone engaged with the article / media piece at all. "Hey this has X in case you didn't know". Mostly this is helpful for heavy topics on days I have a hard time reading / watching heavy things. Mainly I find it useful for when something is surprisingly erotic and I would be like reading it on the subway and not know "pussy" is gonna be in bold or something.
Best episode of the season for me. They nailed the emotional impact of Sam's decision and so many tie ins to the game. Like Ellie killing a clicker with her knife! A real turnaround from the subdued violence from the last episode. Showing the bloater in full live action was all I wanted since I played the game so many years ago. A perfect conclusion to Kansas without dragging it out.
Just read that Bella Ramsey has been meeting with season 2 writers and refers to the 2nd game a lot. Does this mean it's only gonna be 2 seasons?
From what I've read it will be 3 seasons, the 2nd game being split into two seasons. But I'm not sure how entirely accurate that is.
TLOU2 is just too massive to be contained into 1 season. The overarching storylines, the even heavier 'oh shit' moments and the numerous characters they introduce.
A good theory I've read that should be true is you split season 2 into Abby's storyline going after Joel and Joel and Ellie slowly drifting apart. This would all lead to the shocking death of Joel at the end of season 2. Or maybe pull a Game of Thrones and have the shocking death in the second to the last episode.
Then with season 3, you show Ellie's path to revenge while also sympathizing with Abby's reason into them finally crossing paths. A major complaint from the game was people hated having to play as Abby right after she was responsible for killing such a beloved character. This would not only create a shocking season 2 finale but it'll leave so much at stake in season 3 for people unfamiliar with the game. Season 3 would still have an insane amount of heavy moments with Dina's pregnancy leading to Jesse's death, Tommy out for blood, Ellie killing Owen and Mel, Abby's harrowing journey with Lev through the Rattler's and Seraphites. I could go on and on. TLOU2 was such an unbelievable game.
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