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Great great - big help. Thanks a heap. Don’t know how rummy is over here just saying there isn’t any way Dan is involved with this caper.
it's a Dan Thing, not sure how else to put it.
you mentioned in your longer post earlier today that it was odd how i did a super comprehensive reread but didn't pick out that post from Dan, the "im voting for potent, for reasons i cannot explain" one in D1. and in my reread, i did clock it: but it didn't feel important enough to quote because it felt very typical D1 Dan, regardless of his role. whether hes maf, inspo, vanilla town, whatever - he often likes to make vague/rogue posts like that which typically don't have much tie to his actual role or what he believes later on.
tl;dr: Dan is just as likely to post something like that D1 as vanilla town as he is with a special role, so i dont put much stock in it. if he hasnt circled back to it, im guessing it was a jesty little post that doesnt have much to it - so im not going to over analyze it, in effect
Really convenient… He won’t explain his behavior and you sweep it away based on feels and vibes. I’ve played with Dan over the course of several games now and he’s been way more active in this game than I’ve ever seen him. Strange he’s suddenly mum about this one thing that he could easily explain.
It’s funny we’re coming back to this because this is essentially what happened the very first game I played where both you and Dan were maf. I saw something he did that looked sus and you basically came back with this exact same defense of his behavior… oh that’s just Dan being Dan! Dan had a similar reaction that time too - just a line or two response with little details. Well turned out I wasn’t off. He was maf and so were you. Feels like you’re a lot more likely as the third than Farris based on all this.
Your post completely affirms what I’m saying though: he can (and does) post shit like that regardless of role. You’re right, there was a time he did that and he was maf. All I’m saying here is that he could easily be doing that same shit whole town. It is fine for you to be sus of him for it but I’m also allowed to not be
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Apologies for coming up on time but ive been waiting for Durkle like always and whatever Dan decides to say.
Farris > Rummy
This still makes the most sense overall.
the fact that you're calling Dan a flip flopper.... pot, kettle. you were on and on about dan earlier/yesterday. you had this whole long post with possible trios and they pretty much all included dan (which i dont agree with, but you and samp both seem to think dan is maf)
and speaking of which - what happened to your samp suspicions? you just wanted to throw out your teammate's name enough for it to float around but then not actually vote for him?
so whats your thinking: me/dan/samp? how does that trio make any sense?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Apologies for coming up on time but ive been waiting for Durkle like always and whatever Dan decides to say.
Farris > Rummy
This still makes the most sense overall.
the fact that you're calling Dan a flip flopper.... pot, kettle. you were on and on about dan earlier/yesterday. you had this whole long post with possible trios and they pretty much all included dan (which i dont agree with, but you and samp both seem to think dan is maf)
and speaking of which - what happened to your samp suspicions? you just wanted to throw out your teammate's name enough for it to float around but then not actually vote for him?
so whats your thinking: me/dan/samp? how does that trio make any sense?
I'm still very suspicious of Dan but a Pink - Rummy runoff seems like the best thing to have at this point. I don't think voting for a fourth person makes much sense and I don't have any definitive trios.
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Was trying to wait for Durkle to chime in but looks like that isn’t happening.
I’m leaning toward believing pink here. Rummy’s reaction to being named in the reveal is just a little sus here. Mainly her stating she was confident as a “townie” that MD was inspector d2. This makes absolutely no sense. She then also says that mafia fakes because they were confident MD was inspector. MD had almost no posts, no way that either maf or rummy could be so confident they had inspector at that point. It makes sense that a maf rummy would push the narrative of how “obvious” it was the MD was inspector. If pink is faking, they did it to simply buy a day not because they were ironclad in their confidence MD was inspector. Overall, I read d2 rummy as throwing things against the wall and hoping it sticks. I also don’t like how chummy rummy is being with me today.
I think Durkle could make sense as her teammate as well.
Was trying to wait for Durkle to chime in but looks like that isn’t happening.
I’m leaning toward believing pink here. Rummy’s reaction to being named in the reveal is just a little sus here. Mainly her stating she was confident as a “townie” that MD was inspector d2. This makes absolutely no sense. She then also says that mafia fakes because they were confident MD was inspector. MD had almost no posts, no way that either maf or rummy could be so confident they had inspector at that point. It makes sense that a maf rummy would push the narrative of how “obvious” it was the MD was inspector. If pink is faking, they did it to simply buy a day not because they were ironclad in their confidence MD was inspector. Overall, I read d2 rummy as throwing things against the wall and hoping it sticks. I also don’t like how chummy rummy is being with me today.
I think Durkle could make sense as her teammate as well.
Dan > rummy
chummy aka not thinking your maf and therefore not being in accordance with those who do think you are? i'll be sure to ignore my gut/logic in future to condemn you as you'd prefer xo
i doubt you'll change your mind here so im not going to give you huge WORD SALAD as you complained of from me in D2 (even though you and i both know well im extremely prone to doing when townie wrongly accused, or in this case full-on framed), but i do need to correct you on an inaccurate claim of what i've done/said.
i felt confident that MD was most likely inspo by end of D2, post fake, because there hadnt been a counter - which would've been more likely to occur than not D2 if inspector was still alive then. you know this. because a delayed counter, all the way into the next Day, is a SUPER hard sell even if that counter is the true inspector. the onlyyyy scenario i saw that could make sense for an inspector not coming out to counter the fake was if they had pink's name and nothing else. from my perspective, it just was in every way possible way more likely MD was inspector, with the information i had by that point and how things played out. if you;d been in my shoes, i think you'd have felt the same way.
but as you'll see in my reread analysis unless you skipped over that, i saw multiple routes that mafia could've been working from when they decided to fake, ones that didnt all comprise "MD must be inspector." i think they definitely could've gone into the fake with the idea that it was either 1) MD, 2) cum with pink's name OR 3) me with pink's name - the latter two of which they would've known would be hard for either me or cum if inspo to not look super sus in countering with. i have repeatedly stated in D3 that maf wasn't necessarily iron clad in confidence that MD was inspo when they faked. i explain this thoroughly and you're ignoring it.
at the time of the fake, though, as the one being framed of course my initial thought when there wasnt a counter was, "guess MD was inspector" and certainly now in D3 with no counter at all. tell me what you would've thought in my shoes instead?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Well that is what I'm saying - I don't know! I'm trying to entertain the idea that pink is lying, but I don't know what the intended motivation would be. I guess there is a world where mafia is just axing two random townies, but I feel like it is more likely they would trying to be strategic, and I don't see the strategy there which makes it feel less likely that he is lying.
I don't see how they'd feel confident in MD being inspo after the first day - that just doesn't make sense (that they're super confident - not that he couldn't be inspector). I've done enough of these games to see inspo behavior, and I don't think there was anything conclusive about what MD was doing. I guess yeah, they could have had the thought that cum was inspector - that would explain the move - but that doesn't make much sense to me based on cum's behavior. Unless I'm missing something here... In which case, please let me know what I'm not seeing!
dan is a lost cause but im hoping you're not (although this might be completely pointless to write out an actual response to you if you're maf with pink):
ok so as D2 proceeded, i honestly increasingly had the feeling that MD was inspo (but i sure as fuck wasnt going to write that in thread, town should never bait for inspo reveal or stake claims about them almost certainly being dead) just by way of how the conversation was going and where lines were being drawn - but i did also consider the idea that cum was inspo with pink's name. THAT is part of why ive been "protecting" her aka trying to get people not to vote for her throughout D2; post fake reveal, now im just standing up to her because i dont want maf to be able to not only get me out through this but take a townie cum down with it, too.
if i as town felt like inspo seemed dead D2 if it wasn't cum with pink name, then surely maf picked up similar vibes - if they thought it was between MD inspo dead or cum inspo with pink's name, then faking in this scenario is perfect for them. get cum in exile position so if she does come out with pink's name, what does it even matter, he's dead anyway with his "reveal" (self-whacked tonight or exiled after me from town), and their inspector is dead with only having the one name (if inspo had two names, they wouldve come out already - so if my sense is correct here, they were banking on MD as inspo or cum as inspo with pink's name and not a second one to confirm). sets them up for a pretty easy win after that.
i agree there was nothing conclusive seeming from my perspective of what MD said or did, but maf can see things we don't since they know all 3 names that could be the given of course, and i think it was likely more that they picked up on a vibe of how discussion was going in circles throughout D2 in a way that oftne happens when inspector is no longer alive.
dan is a lost cause but im hoping you're not (although this might be completely pointless to write out an actual response to you if you're maf with pink):
ok so as D2 proceeded, i honestly increasingly had the feeling that MD was inspo (but i sure as fuck wasnt going to write that in thread, town should never bait for inspo reveal or stake claims about them almost certainly being dead) just by way of how the conversation was going and where lines were being drawn - but i did also consider the idea that cum was inspo with pink's name. THAT is part of why ive been "protecting" her aka trying to get people not to vote for her throughout D2; post fake reveal, now im just standing up to her because i dont want maf to be able to not only get me out through this but take a townie cum down with it, too.
if i as town felt like inspo seemed dead D2 if it wasn't cum with pink name, then surely maf picked up similar vibes - if they thought it was between MD inspo dead or cum inspo with pink's name, then faking in this scenario is perfect for them. get cum in exile position so if she does come out with pink's name, what does it even matter, he's dead anyway with his "reveal" (self-whacked tonight or exiled after me from town), and their inspector is dead with only having the one name (if inspo had two names, they wouldve come out already - so if my sense is correct here, they were banking on MD as inspo or cum as inspo with pink's name and not a second one to confirm). sets them up for a pretty easy win after that.
i agree there was nothing conclusive seeming from my perspective of what MD said or did, but maf can see things we don't since they know all 3 names that could be the given of course, and i think it was likely more that they picked up on a vibe of how discussion was going in circles throughout D2 in a way that oftne happens when inspector is no longer alive.
This is the post I’m referring to
i said either MD or cum. and then with a reread, saw it could've been also that they considered me with pink's name so faking with my name would've put me in a shit position.
is it really that odd for a townie to have leanings towards 2 or 3 potential people being inspo once into the thick of d2? i wasn't talking about it in thread carelessly, and certainly there are games where im town and have no fucking clue who i feel could be inspo d2 or even d3 if they havent come out, but this isnt an anomaly where i have thoughts between a couple folks by mid-d2. once pink came out, my feelings on it strengthened.
stop trying to make this more sus than it actually is.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Durkle hasn't said much at all. And he escaped the runoff D1. He needs to say something before D3 is over.
Farris > Dan
dont hitch me onto your crazy train.
dont we have til like 4pm? why are you moving rn?
Yes we only have until 4pm and I want to hear what Durkle has to say. What's so complicated about that? I never said I was less suspicious of you Rummy.
i said either MD or cum. and then with a reread, saw it could've been also that they considered me with pink's name so faking with my name would've put me in a shit position.
is it really that odd for a townie to have leanings towards 2 or 3 potential people being inspo once into the thick of d2? i wasn't talking about it in thread carelessly, and certainly there are games where im town and have no fucking clue who i feel could be inspo d2 or even d3 if they havent come out, but this isnt an anomaly where i have thoughts between a couple folks by mid-d2. once pink came out, my feelings on it strengthened.
stop trying to make this more sus than it actually is.
You have seemed so chill about getting exiled since D2. I don't really know what to make of it, but it seems strange given how you usually play.
ive seemed so chill? gahhhh it drives me crazy in mafia sometimes how people expect me to play this exactly perfect middle ground way: if im too intense or verbose, im sus, but if im too chill or hang back to understand where others are coming from (even when i dont agree with them), im also sus. im not just talking about you right now...this has been a trend with me as a player for a loooong time.
i spent a shit ton of time this weekend going back through a reread with eyes on everything, like multiple hours. i then spoke to what i found and the opinions i formed/the ones i strengthened from the reread, and ive been very clear that i hope town takes the right path here by exiling pink who i know is mafia, instead of believing him and exiling me.
shouldnt my presence and time/energy given to this game indicate im not actually very "chill" about being exiled? but i knew i was coming into D3 with an uphill battle to get y'all to believe me and see that pink is lying. it's going to feel extremely frustrating to have put all this work into it, seeing some of y'all consider taking the right road, and then it all result in my getting exiled and pink staying alive after all. but i dont think my yelling or pouting about it would help?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
i said either MD or cum. and then with a reread, saw it could've been also that they considered me with pink's name so faking with my name would've put me in a shit position.
is it really that odd for a townie to have leanings towards 2 or 3 potential people being inspo once into the thick of d2? i wasn't talking about it in thread carelessly, and certainly there are games where im town and have no fucking clue who i feel could be inspo d2 or even d3 if they havent come out, but this isnt an anomaly where i have thoughts between a couple folks by mid-d2. once pink came out, my feelings on it strengthened.
stop trying to make this more sus than it actually is.
Yes it’s extremely odd
you never do this as townie? like quietly/internally without stating it in thread? i call cap on that.
it's odd/sus when people are writing in thread "ooh i think ____ is inspo" pre reveal, but to claim that you never have leanings on it as town is ridiculous. we've even talked about this out of game before, dude.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
you never do this as townie? like quietly/internally without stating it in thread? i call cap on that.
it's odd/sus when people are writing in thread "ooh i think ____ is inspo" pre reveal, but to claim that you never have leanings on it as town is ridiculous. we've even talked about this out of game before, dude.
It’s not odd to think about, it’s odd that it was your defense. I call absolutely bs as a townie you confidently were increasingly worried MD was inspector.
pink faked d2, stayed alive n2, came back and claimed he had info only on the JUST WHACKED person, again. then mostly disappeared except to pop in with one or two pretty lazy posts in the past few days.
ive been engaging directly and trying to fucking get this right for town, and apparently im just being "too chill" about it
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
you never do this as townie? like quietly/internally without stating it in thread? i call cap on that.
it's odd/sus when people are writing in thread "ooh i think ____ is inspo" pre reveal, but to claim that you never have leanings on it as town is ridiculous. we've even talked about this out of game before, dude.
It’s not odd to think about, it’s odd that it was your defense. I call absolutely bs as a townie you confidently were increasingly worried MD was inspector.
did you go and reread D2 pre fake? you and i have both played enough mafia to gauge when it looks like town is spinning in a shit ton of different directions that feels like the inspector pulse is gone from the game. it was d2 and there'd been one whack: MD. so yes i was increasingly worried it was him, as D2 progressed and how the convo was going.
not gonna continue defending this, we have different opinions on it but it doesnt make me mafia to have had a feeling (that i kept to myself til after pink faked) that you didnt.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
It’s not odd to think about, it’s odd that it was your defense. I call absolutely bs as a townie you confidently were increasingly worried MD was inspector.
did you go and reread D2 pre fake? you and i have both played enough mafia to gauge when it looks like town is spinning in a shit ton of different directions that feels like the inspector pulse is gone from the game. it was d2 and there'd been one whack: MD. so yes i was increasingly worried it was him, as D2 progressed and how the convo was going.
not gonna continue defending this, we have different opinions on it but it doesnt make me mafia to have had a feeling (that i kept to myself til after pink faked) that you didnt.
Yes I think as d2 progressed there is in no truly identifiable way to be as worried MD was inspector as you claimed to be unless you knew who the other mafia were.
pink faked d2, stayed alive n2, came back and claimed he had info only on the JUST WHACKED person, again. then mostly disappeared except to pop in with one or two pretty lazy posts in the past few days.
ive been engaging directly and trying to fucking get this right for town, and apparently im just being "too chill" about it
Yo, sorry friend! Fair enough. I know you putting in the work. I thought the chill vibe was slightly odd, but I wasn't overly worried over it. Definitely didn't think that observation was really going to lead anywhere. More concerned about the other stuff I pointed out before.
More than anything, just sort of shooting the shit waiting on durkle to show up...
pink faked d2, stayed alive n2, came back and claimed he had info only on the JUST WHACKED person, again. then mostly disappeared except to pop in with one or two pretty lazy posts in the past few days.
ive been engaging directly and trying to fucking get this right for town, and apparently im just being "too chill" about it
Yo, sorry friend! Fair enough. I know you putting in the work. I thought the chill vibe was slightly odd, but I wasn't overly worried over it. Definitely didn't think that observation was really going to lead anywhere. More concerned about the other stuff I pointed out before.
More than anything, just sort of shooting the shit waiting on durkle to show up...
yeah im just frustrated rn because it is fine that dan wants to vote me and he thinks i should be the one to go here blah blah, but apparently im not allowed to have had a hunch about something d2 just because he didn't? make that make sense to me.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
and maybe i didnt phrase things perfectly in my posts right after the fake happened - i probably shouldve written it more as, "i was starting to wonder if MD was inspector from how things were playing out in D2" instead of "i was increasingly worried" or whatever.
but i know for a fact most of the people in the game right now havent personally been in the role of being framed as town before. it is an extremely frustrating position to be in, and as soon as the fake comes out, you know it'll be an uphill battle for people to believe you - especially if no counter occurs. so yeah i probably havent phrased everything 100% perfectly and some of what ive posted has been a bit stream of consciousness but ive been trying to get as much analysis and thought out there for town while im still alive here
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I shouldve voted pink off when I had the chance. none of the whacks have coincided with any of the inspector claims that pink and dan were supporting. Pretty much got shouted into not voting off a possible maf. Not making the same mistake this time. It makes no sense if pink had a legitimate claim thay maf wouldnt whack. Or if pink was dans given then they shouldve hit dan. I also feel for rummy who has been desprately trying to rally town.
Dan has been dragging on and on and on about MD inspector but that was like 10 years ago and not even close to sus as pink being glazed over on the whack. Cinci whack d2 to me is max F picking off the quiet innocent townies while we rabble about stuff that doesnt even matters. The only reason im alive is because I fucked up voting cum and have pretty much become a maf asset. Cum couldve been a maf but was nowhere near as sus as pink is now. Leaning pink. Thats the summation of my thoughts. And i swear to god if dan hits me with the “2 paragraphs of nothing” again im just gonna explode because the fact youve been flapping your gums so much is sus. You get super incredulous and loud and everyone is right about it being all the time, maf or not, since you do the same thing in resistance. But the whacks do not support anything youve been saying at all.