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The new Matisyahu album Youth is pretty solid. I like pretty much every song on it. However, there is one song where he talks about football fields and not having a late pass to get into class...a definite influence from his new MTV audience. I'm going to see him March 15th and I'm really hoping the crowd isn't filled with fans from MTV who only know "King Without a Crown." Speaking of "King Without a Crown," that song is on the new cd which is pretty weak because it was also on the last two albums he put out. The "Youth Dub" cd is almost better than the original. The dub versions of a lot of his songs are awesome. Anyone else have any thoughts on his new cd?
i fell in love with his music when i first heard it... it just has that sound to it..... i like it and can listen to it at any given time... that being said i think the concert will be filled with higschool kids because they are not really listening to the lyrics... its almost all religious and anti drug... not for me...i wonder how many people at roo realize that as they enjoy the show and a joint that he is trying to educate against drug use....i think it is sad that a man who used to drink mushroom tea and tour with phish is now not allowed to stage dive(because he might touch a female) or has to ask permission from rabbis to spend a religious holiday at madonnas... gimme a break... he cant hug a female fan that runs on stage but he wants to spend time and possibly open for madonnas tour? does this scream crazy hipocrite(sp?) to anyone but me....bonnaroo is alot of things to a lot of people but ive nevere heard anyone say i wish they would have more jewish anti drug propaganda.... oh well just my 2 cents....
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I gotta get the CD - I didn't know it was out already - so thanks phishdrum for keeping me in the loop.
It is an interesting contradiction that you mention keith, but I really like the fact that Bonnaroo can bring in people that have all kinds of varying viewpoints on a lot of things. Personally - I love his music, I love Robert Randolph's - and yes their message is religious, but for me its all about the music. They're fantastic musicians and that's what I'm going to Bonnaroo to appreciate.
On a side note - have you seen the video on "Live from Stubb's"? It shows him stage-diving repeatedly... So I was wondering where you got the thing about not being able to stage dive.
i hear ya.. and to each their own.... i have see the stubbs vidoe... it has been a recent development that the rabbis told him no more stage diving...i just checked that article out agian and its worse then i rmember... he wont even play music on stage with a woman... his religion dosent allow women to perform music... tis is what i mean... people pay money to see him having no idea what he thinks about them... any ways here is a link to the article
I know he is acting based on his religious beliefs but I cannot support an artist that endorses such an outdated belief system which includes NO contact whatsoever with females.
I mean, what if being hasidic meant no contact w/ people of color. I doubt he would be getting the publicity he is now.
I really like "Youth," and have been listening to it constantly. As far as his belief system, to each his or her own. It's all about the music, and that's what draws me to Matisyahu.
I agree. Personally, I think his music is OK. He's definitely an interesting character, but it just seems like a gimmick to me. Plus, I thought the whole thing with the jam community (or the music community in general) was to be open and inviting to all people. I understand he has religious beliefs that prevent him from certain behavior, but does Roo really want to go out and say they're supportive of these types of (archaic) restrictions?
To second what has been said, I like Matisyahu's sound but don't love his transformation into what can be described as a religion-sponsored sexist. I know it's his belief, but it's also no longer the dark ages and I find his anti female beliefs offensive. But I really like his music, whatever the message may be, especially the song Exaltation, and I will probably see him barring conflicts. Last year I missed him for Toots and the Maytals and have no regrets there.
read the articles that are linked? yes hes mariied but so aree the taliban...(not saying hes a terrorist) just saying that his views on women take the womans rights movement back many decades ... if a female buys a cd and a ticket to the show and he wont sign her cd while he signs all the males there is something wrong with that;... but hey some will choose to buy his stuff and others will deem that its not for them.... i wonder how he met his wife if they can have no contact with woman??? i dont have any clue but im wondering if they still do arranged marriages... fanatical religious extremisits are bad whether it is osama bin laden, george bush, or matisyahu and i dont see how they fit into bonnaroo.... if john ashcroft played a wicked bass would ya wnat him there?
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Yeah, they refer to the Hasidic law about how women and men can't touch unless they're married. It's not something I agree with, but how exactly is it "anti-female?" I'm not trying to cause another problem, but I really think you guys are looking way too deeply into this. It's his religion and he abides by it. As far as I know Hasidic Jews have never endorsed violence, rape, and the crippling of female rights like the Taliban. It's nothing more than an awkward view. He doesn't sound like he's all too thrilled by it. The most recent interview I read with him noted he laughed and joked about how the courtship between folks is so short in the Hasidic culture due to this restriction.
Post by somwherbtween on Mar 8, 2006 14:49:11 GMT -5
I am so glad he came out with some new material, haven't checked it out yet but I was worried for a while that he was turning into the Michael Franti type- every show same material, same sound, same songs. I'll have to give this album a good listen. I feel like he might be pitted up against some better shows on the schedule though.
Yeah, I have to agree that his views are troubling, as are many views in any fundemental religion. But, I think not letting/wanting him play because of his religious views would be even worse. Bonnaroo should be about tolerance. People don't have to agree with what he believes and don't have to go to his show, but in the end it is about the music.
PS I would pay money to watch Ashcroft rock out. It would be hilarious. ;D
i agree that i havent heard of the violence that the taliban used but they certainly are crippling womens rights..... ive done some lookin around and they believe a female is ok to be wed at 3!?!?! they believe all non jews are evil drug addicted drunk family abusing sexual deviants... i dont know if these are his exact views but they are the teachings of devout hasidic jews, but i have heard enough to know that it isnt in the spirit and togetherness of roo... i guess if you believe like that you shouldnt sign cds for anyone at all. .. at least he dosent hide it... he comes out and lets ya know what he is all about... but he does sound like he is not thrilled by it all making it even that much sadder...
and ill riddle yout this... roo is about tolerance... but is tollerating intollerance really tolerance or endorsement?? i may not go see him but a portion of my ticket price is going to him..... its not a huge issue for me i just think its out of touch wit what bonnaroo is
I get what you're saying Keith, but I truly don't find his views all that problematic.
I personally don't agree with his views and don't subscribe to any religion at all, so I can't relate to him in the least. That said, I really think the interpretation of the Hasidic belief system could lead to different conclusions. I try to make it a point to avoid the actual judgement of others, especially when it comes to religion. As far as I can tell their views don't get to the point where they're really having a big impact on others, so I say live and let live.
very true.. im just thinking of the way it must make fans feel when they see a favorite artist of theres signing cds... i mean they bought the cd, the poster, vote for it on trl and then when you get up to get your cd signed he says yer not good enough to shake his hand and get a cd signed... not saying it is wrong or right just saying it dosent belong at roo in my opinion... he is an amazing talent... i wonder what kinda show he could put on if he wasnt bound by these archaic regulations and could recognizing all of his fans not just the ones that are deemed worthy by his beliefs...but ill quit bustin his balls... people fully have the right to support or not support him as they see fit...i just think his mtv image has clouded the reality of what hes all about... and this is all a gimmmick anyway... real hasidic jews would never be anywhere near a bonnaroo ,madonna, naked people, drugs, and participation in a friendly and wonderful society where everyone is included regardless of your sex or race, shiit even dcfc fans are welcome j/k
If he's really strictly Hasidic, he wouldn't allow his CD's to be sold on the sabbath. Jewish law says that no exchange of money can not happen on that day. Something tells me that Matisyahu would think that would be ridiculous. I'm not saying that we can't pick and choose the aspects of our religions that work for us, but it seems pretty hypocrital to happily sell a woman your CD, but draw the line at signing it. He's chosen to be an entertainer (and a talented one at that), but part of the responsibilities of that profession are to respect your fans - seems pretty wrong to exclude half of your fan base from that respect. Especially after they just helped to pay your rent.
Post by shamrockguinness on Mar 8, 2006 17:06:44 GMT -5
I really like Matisyahu's music, but I think he really has used his religon as a gimmick to promote his image. Every time I hear someone mention him there is always a "Yeah, that jewish artist." in the conversation. To each his own, but that aspect is definately a gimmick.
Well I'm sure he controls what aspects of his religion that are in his control. It's obvious that the sale of cds is something that he can't have any say over if he wants to make a living and have his art sold using the traditional channels. Meh, I'm sure he's playing it up to some degree, but I'm not going to hate on the guy just because some of his religous quirks can be construed as offensive. It doesn't mean I agree with it though.
i dont think anyones haton on his religion... im hatin on the poor treatment of his fans......his religion is just his excuse for thinking women a less then men, i dont care what his justfiction is .. its his actions i have a problem with... once again no matter what spin ya put on it his treatment of women and just refusing to even play music with a woman is directly against what bonnaroo stands for
I didn't say you were hating on Hasidic Jews man. I'm not sure why you think they believe women are somehow "less than" men. As far as I can tell it's just a hyper strict belief stemming from their stance on sexuality. Like I said, it's sh*tty that the fans get a raw deal, but dems da breaks. If someone's really all that big of a fan, they should understand the position he's in. He's walking a thin line and some sacrifices will have to be made.
Anyway, I'm really not that interested in his stuff anyway.
ya i hear ya.. and thats all fine and good.. i wont go see his show or buy his cd..... but when it is a festival situation i think maybe they shouldnt include acts that arent willing to perform with some of the other acts simply because of their sex.. or if they would alienate a certain group of people due to any reason at all.... if ya wanna go see his show somwhere thats fine... but forcing 80000 people to contribute to this cats wealth seems alittle ridiculous seeing as how he wont even acknowledge half of them with a handshake and an autograph.... what if willie nelson (just an example... certainly not calling willie a racist) showed up and refused to shake hands with black artist or would only sign cds for white people? i dont think that would fly..... bonnaroo is above that type of treatment of its open and tolerant not to mention high paying community
so the triple k banjo bangers should be allowed to come too? everyone says its about the music... bonnaroo is about alot more then music.... its 4 days of livin away from all the hate and discrimination...to get away from society and all of its ills...i think if one persons weekend is ruined because they couldnt get a handshake and an autograph from someone they admire then the weekend was not perfect...if any performer is makin 1 person feel alienated in anyway then i thinks its about much more then just the music
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oh ya and everyone keep on smitin me just because my opinion dosent gel with yours.... im goin for a record ... c'mon all you matis fans wheres the exaltation at
that being said i think the concert will be filled with higschool kids because they are not really listening to the lyrics
As a highschool kid (who listens to the lyrics), I feel I should inform you that your gross generalization is indeed wrong. I saw Matisyahu open for Trey this summer in Boston and was very impressed; he almost stole the show from Trey (which, admittedly, is not all that hard to do with 70VP). Anyways, yes I am sure some kids will be there because they saw him on MTV and yes, I am almost positive he will encore with "King Without a Crown" now that it is his big single...but I am also positive there will be a faction of kids -- who happen to be in highschool -- that are real fans and understand the lyrics.
so the triple k banjo bangers should be allowed to come too? everyone says its about the music... bonnaroo is about alot more then music.... its 4 days of livin away from all the hate and discrimination...to get away from society and all of its ills...i think if one persons weekend is ruined because they couldnt get a handshake and an autograph from someone they admire then the weekend was not perfect...if any performer is makin 1 person feel alienated in anyway then i thinks its about much more then just the music
Look past his beliefs, and really enjoy his music. Matisyahu could care less if he pissed off a single person, it's his belief and people should respect that and a person shouldnt get setup to be turned down for an autograph. He's made it clear enough.
Post by blueslikehail on Mar 8, 2006 19:15:30 GMT -5
i just gave you some karma keith. i think you raised an intriguing and important point without being too disrespectful. all that smiting is pretty uncalled for imho.
update: ack, you were kind of an a-hole on the schedule thread. well, my karma stands for this thread for the reasons stated above.
i dont think i made any "gross generalizations" i commented about the previous post which asked about mtv fans.... i did say the crowd will be full of higschool kids (aka mtv fans) that dont listen.. .. i never said that there would not be people there who do understand the music....nor did i say that all highschool kids are incapable of recognizing good music, just that most of the fans there will be highschool kids who are there cuz mtv said its cool... so i feel i should inform you that your gross generalization about MY "gross generalization" is indeed wrong and so far as trey and 70vp i agree... but im lookin forward to phil and friends.. i think trey will steal the show there
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j/k
