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I'm a Tool fan of immense proportions and have seen them 7 times since my first time seeing them with Psychotica many moons ago. I had the priviledge of seeing them at the tiny tiny Tower Theatre in Upper Darby PA and seeing them play in Wilkes-Barre at a later time, larger venue - both during this most recent tour.
In short, I sincerely love their music and love their live performance.
This being said, I question whether or not they are going to work at Bonnaroo. Their inherent negativity aside, both times that I've seen them on this most recent outing, they have played a simple 9-10 song set at 90 minutes sharp and walked off stage without so much as a "Fuck you very much".
I cannot be the only person that loves this band yet worries that they might be out of their element. Anyone else concerned about it?
I would LOVE to be proven wrong but I'm a skeptic right now....
Post by concertjunkie on Feb 16, 2007 22:37:45 GMT -5
Personally I think Tool will convert alot of people who may not be familiar with them into fans. I also have seen them twice while they have been touring for this album. Yeah they do stick to the same formula for most shows but this is Bonnaroo. I believe those 9 or 10 song sets could easily become a 3 hour mind fuck including stuff that hasn't been played in ages. One can only hope.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Feb 16, 2007 23:26:57 GMT -5
On Salival it seems like theres a good amount of interaction with the crowd. Although i've never seen them, i dont doubt at all that they can put on a 3 hour show, especially considering its not a tour supporting an album. I think we'll hear stuff from all over their catalog.
Post by concertjunkie on Feb 16, 2007 23:30:43 GMT -5
ziggyandthemonkeys said:
On Salival it seems like theres a good amount of interaction with the crowd. Although i've never seen them, i dont doubt at all that they can put on a 3 hour show, especially considering its not a tour supporting an album. I think we'll hear stuff from all over their catalog.
They are touring right now in support of their latest release 10,00 Days but yes you will probably hear a wide range of tunes. I believe they only played 3 tracks off the new disc both times that I saw them.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Feb 16, 2007 23:39:37 GMT -5
I thought they toured earlier in 06 in heavy support of it. I guess i was wrong. Either way, a show at bonnaroo is just in support of their sweetness. ;D
Post by elmorejames on Feb 16, 2007 23:53:46 GMT -5
I read that they are touring to create a new live album and DVD. If that much cash is behind this tour, I would expect something much different than what you are used to seeing. This isn't going to be a wham, bam, thank you ma'am, but a long, crazy mind f***.
I do not listen to Tool, nor do I foresee a future date that I will suddenly be a Tool convert. That said, I have heard absolutely amazing things about their live show, across the board from fans and unbias observers like myself. Even though I'm tempted to skip the set and rest up for late night; I know I'd probably regret it.
Not all vibes have to be happy-go-lucky ones. Some of the best psychadelic and hard rock music comes from dark places. Last year's Radiohead attests to the great things that can happen when the positive vibes of Bonnaroo collide with a darker musical vision. And I do not foresee Maynard and co. having an experience any different.
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Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Feb 17, 2007 0:41:58 GMT -5
Not at the tool show. The only place you might see it is clutch, but still doubtful, since i heard they're moving away from that type of style as of late.
I realize tool themselves may be a bit on the darker side of alt rock or whatever, but what sticks in my mind is the different sound maynard had in A Perfect Circle, at least the first album they put out. Maybe a little bit of that will come out. I am biased in that I want to see Tool, and that I've listened to them for many years now. But I think they have a lot more to offer musically than some people may expect. And I know that a few songs will make me piss my pants hearing them live.
Tool is a wierd band to place in a festival setting, I think. They don't quite fit in at something like Ozzfest, maybe Lollapalooza, and it's definitely different for Bonnaroo.
Either way it will be a purely different experience, and it seems to me that's what the promoters try to do, provide some variety.
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I tend to agree with the OP, sadly, even as Kabir's right hand man (that would make me Chris) at toolshed.
I'd like to think that Tool will take the opportunity of something like Bonnaroo to mix it up, get into the "jam" spirit, and really embrace the entire situation ... but I'm not sure that they will. I could see them playing a 2 hr set and walking off, but I dunno. They're hard to read.
Tool is awesome about having guests on a few songs throughout the set (most regularly on Triad) and have done great changes to songs (look at Jerk-Off from Coachella '99), but I honestly don't know what to expect from them at Bonnaroo.
'Roo will be my 12th time to see Tool, for the record, and I'm still looking forward to it. I'm just not 100% sure they'll be in the "spirit" of the event, if that makes any sense.
Well, Radiohead did play their longest set ever last year, so there's hope, although I know how the guys in Tool can be.
I just hope they concentrate on their spaced-out stuff like 46 + 2 and Eulogy, Sober and all that, the real swirling stuff where Maynard's voice gets to do its thing. That would be lovely for all the people who think they're just another metal band.
I've got some friends coming this year that haven't gone before, and it's made me think. People are worried that Tool and the Police will attract a new demographic...but what if those people learn to enjoy the festival as a whole? Tool brings in people that might end up seeing Tea Leaf Green, or Bob Weir, or Sound Tribe, or Manu Chao, all for the first time, and they might end up loving it. Nothing would make me happier this summer than to bring back a couple of filthy converts.
Tool is a wierd band to place in a festival setting, I think. They don't quite fit in at something like Ozzfest, maybe Lollapalooza, and it's definitely different for Bonnaroo.
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id say lolla and cocachella. and the europe fests that featur gnr, metallic, korn. my chemical romance and fallout boy. not that thier music isnt better then some of those bands, or less mainstream. just seems like they have a 10 song setlist and play for 75 minutyes. perfect for those types of fests. not for roo.
but i am excited to see them. if they bring a roo show. just seems and odd choice for roo. even odder when headlining with another more mainstream band like the police. again not saying they are mtv fallout boy mainstream. but they are off the roo chart for mainstreaminess and even if the undesirable fans dont flollow tool and clutch to roo, maynard could run his mouth about hating dread headed hippies and saying that they love to piss on the ground and dance barefoot in it. like he did at download fest featuring, gnr, korn, and metallica. how many dread head hippies could have even been there? if he says something like that in the frist couple songs then i guess the tool fans wont have any trouble getting up front because alot of people will walk out. they even seemed to look down on roo on their website announcement. it said something about playing in a state they know nothing about with a bunch of bands they have never heard of. just seems an odd fit at roo. and they better play a full set. i can see him saying something about hippies, not liking the reaction, and pulling a madonna and leaving early. not likely but i see it as a slim possibility.
in the end i think it will be a great show. if they play 2 and a half hours it will be an unbeleiveable show. i am excited. but they do take some of the issues that get argued about every year to a whole new level. tool isnt comaparable to dave in the mainstream effect they bring with them. thast all, just my opinion
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Post by digitalc0nfusi0n on Feb 17, 2007 6:03:43 GMT -5
oh, wow...where to start....first off, tool has played many festivals across the world, but I dont think Im wrong in saying that the roo is not like any other festival. as far as I know, they have never headlined a big festival. They usually would play in the day, when time schedule is important to get the next band on. Also, most of their headlining shows are in places where they have a set amount of time to use. So with this in mind, I dont think that they have had many opportunities to fill a 3 hour time slot. I think that the band is going to step it up to use the time that they have been given. I dont expect a 3 hour set, but I bet 2.5 is within reason. and if the rumor of them making a dvd is true, I would imagine that to lending to an even more stellar show.
also, I believe maynard might be getting a bad rap on what he supposedly said about hippies. Im sure if we dug enough, we could find Thom Yorke saying something similar. But I think that once they saw the even, radiohead opened up to the idea of roo. and eventually had a blast on stage, as most of us saw. Maynard is going to use this chance to talk to 60000+ people to encourage us all to "think for yourself....question authority".
and next, the will not be any mosh pits...I would say that there is going to be very few "mosh type" fans there, and the odds of 10-15 of them standing next to each other (out of the THOUSANDS) is very slim. dont worry.
and finally, the toolband.com site is not run by the band. it is run by someone they know. all of the comments on there are strictly his opinion, and he makes that clear. so the fact that he didnt sound enthused is no indication of how the band feels about it. Tool isnt a band to just play shows for money, if they didnt want to be there, they wouldnt be. period.
I think thats about it. I think all doubters will be very surprised at how tool is going to make their heads explode. Im already calling that this is going to be the best show Ive ever seen.
i hadnt heard the rumor about the dvd. thats pretty exciting. makes me think a 2.5 hr show is more likely. does anyone have any suggestions for live tool? i havent found any shows online.
Post by concertjunkie on Feb 17, 2007 8:12:31 GMT -5
sawgrass17 said:
are there going to be mosh pits at bonnaroo this year?
I doubt that any moshing will occur. I saw them at the San Diego Street Scene last year and a bunch of people started to surge froward during the set. Some people started falling over. Maynard simply stopped the show and said they weren't playing anymore till everyone took 2 steps back. Of course this did take about 10 minutes but everyone complied. He said and I quote " This isn't worth getting hurt over. Come on it is only Rock N' Roll."
Post by trippindaisy on Feb 17, 2007 9:27:43 GMT -5
Great discussion guys and thanks for not including the stupid comments like "Tool will ruin Bonnaroo"
I am a huge Tool fan, albeit a recent one, so I have never seen them live. But I have heard mostly amazing things about their live shows, so I am going to go in with a positive outlook and I am expecting them to blow all the naysayers away I am a total Deadhead, but I think the Tool addition to Bonnaroo has excited me more than any other band. As much as I love jambands, I love how diverse they are making Roo. I just can't wait!!
I want to see Tool, I guess. I really like Aenema...but haven't listened to much after that (and don't really like too much before it).
I see this year's lineup as a shift in the dynamic of bonnaroo. Granted, my own participation is a result of last year's shift...so maybe it's not a bad thing.
Post by greecianlover on Feb 17, 2007 12:55:38 GMT -5
Radiohead played their longest show last year, and that was because they had more time to fill. TOOL will play something between 2-2.5 hours, and I will be more than fine with that.
People are acting as if Bonnaroo signed Guns N' Roses. Maynard is not Axl, he will play a full show, and fill the time.
I was waiting for this to become an issue. I have been a tool fan for about 15 years (since Opiate), have seen them 7 times previously and I have no doubt that they can pull out a 3 hour show for the roo. To all the people who say they are not Jam based enough, I would tend to agree, but they have some songs that are long, and can be amazingly long performed live. Third Eye, the Salival version of Pushit and Triad can easily take up 45 minutes live. The new album also has 10,000 days/Wings for Marie which is about 20 minutes on the album. I think tool will pull out an amazing show, reaching back into some of their earlier material (opiate, undertow) and will surprise a lot of people. I dont think mosh pits will be a problem and tool greatly respects their fans, so the last thing they will do is screw anyone out of a good experience or risk their safety. Please please please dont judge this band solely on the few songs of theirs they have had radio play. They are a progressive, almost art house band and will put on one of the most amazing shows at the 'roo this year.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Feb 17, 2007 13:46:42 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
i hadnt heard the rumor about the dvd. thats pretty exciting. makes me think a 2.5 hr show is more likely. does anyone have any suggestions for live tool? i havent found any shows online.
Salival is mostly live songs, but its not a show. I am not aware of a full show of theirs. I'd check out Salival, they also have a sweet version of no quarter on there.
and even if the undesirable fans dont flollow tool and clutch to roo, maynard could run his mouth about hating dread headed hippies and saying that they love to piss on the ground and dance barefoot in it. like he did at download fest featuring, gnr, korn, and metallica. how many dread head hippies could have even been there? if he says something like that in the frist couple songs then i guess the tool fans wont have any trouble getting up front because alot of people will walk out. they even seemed to look down on roo on their website announcement. it said something about playing in a state they know nothing about with a bunch of bands they have never heard of. just seems an odd fit at roo. and they better play a full set. i can see him saying something about hippies, not liking the reaction, and pulling a madonna and leaving early. not likely but i see it as a slim possibility. 
I am a total Deadhead, but I think the Tool addition to Bonnaroo has excited me more than any other band. As much as I love jambands, I love how diverse they are making Roo. I just can't wait!!
