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All this lineup bashing kind of makes me sad. But what makes me sadder is people saying the vibes of roo are ruined. In no way will the vibes be ruined, unless we ourselves allow them to be ruined. If you go into it knowing you're gonna have an awesome time listening to awesome music, then that's what'll happen. Come on guys, where's the love!!!??
dude and dude should be friends, thats the funny part about all of this.... you guys are both so impassioned... it makes for interesting reading ill say that much
We probably would be. I always argue with my friends.
i agree. im a tad argumentative also if you havent noticed. dudezer is one of my favorite inforoosters
Post by localweather on Feb 6, 2008 18:43:13 GMT -5
dudezer47 said:
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
plenty of people act superior because they like the linup and know nothing about the history and the changes other then they like the new mainstream lineup and cant understand how metallica and kanye being on the farm is a joke.
Like I've said before, what history? What is this long storied tradition of Bonnaroo? The festival isn't even 10 years old. And when it started, it's not like they went after the small jam acts. It's not like they didn't book Jack Johnson, Ben Harper and Norah Jones. They weren't shy about going after big names from the start. It's just they went after big acts that YOU thought were cool and okay. As if Neil Young and James Brown were any less commercial than Metallica and Kanye West....PLEASE.
It's okay to not like a lineup. But it's bullshit to pretend the festival has a history that they're betraying. It's just festival lineups that YOU don't like that they're betraying.
I can look at the same lineup and see what's exactly the same about the festival. Bela Fleck, Phil Lesh, Abigail Washburn, My Morning Jacket, Jack Johnson, Derek Trucks, The Allman Brothers Band, Robert Randolph, Drive-By Truckers, O.A.R., Umphrey's McGee, Yonder Mountain String Band....the list goes on and on...
And yes, it's kind of nice to be arguing with someone about the festival being too commercial when most of the pre-festival debates centered on whether or not groups Stone Temple Pilots or Van Halen would be good for the fest...
I could hardly agree with you more.
I have been in '05 and '07, I had a great time both times I went. The lineup is important, but I hardly think it's the thing that makes everything fun.
In '05 I didn't see a single headlining band play, in '07, I only saw one headliner play. Was I disappointed that Tool was there, yes sort of but in the end who cares?
Is the crowd/festival changing? Yeah, probably, but that's inevitable. If it were the same bands/lineup every year most people would not go back. I think there is a lot of "it was cooler when only I knew about it" syndrome going on. If Bonnaroo sucked, then you wouldn't have to worry about new people coming to check it out. Because it rules, new people come and they aren't just like you but it doesn't mean you can't get along with them.
Also, the internet seems to be the home of the most negative, whining people on the planet, or else it's mostly the negative whiners that post. The person who said that the worst thing about this lineup is the drama that it's caused is exactly right as well.
Is kanye headlining?? I'm trying to get on the bonnaroo website right now but it's not loading, but i thought he was listed like 4th or 5th on the lineup, so how do we know he's headlining?
I have to admit, at first I was really disappointed when I saw Metallica is headlining, but I've since come to terms with it. Honestly I kind of look forward to their set now. I realize alot of people aren't happy, but you have to keep in mind, they're on OUR turf. They know they aren't playing to their regular "meathead" crowd. They aren't going to get up there and put on a regular old Metallica show, they're gonna get up there and try their damndest to win over a crowd that they know doesn't necessarily want them there. They've openly talked about how they may be a controversial addition. I really think they're going to surprise alot of people the same way Tool did last year.
I can't beleive I'm defending Metallica of all bands, but honestly, they take risks. Some risks work (S&M), some don't (St. Anger, Napster). By agreeing to be at 'Roo, they've agreed to stand up in front of a crowd made up primarily of their own critics, and for that I respect them even if I don't necessarily like them.
I look at it this way, I'm paying $200+ to see about 15 bands that I already like. As part of that $200+, I also get to check out something I don't like to see if I can learn to like it. You can't call yourself a fan of music if you're unwilling to give "mainstream" acts a chance. That makes you a music snob. As of right now, I don't really like Metallica, but I'm definitely willing to watch them June 13 to give them a chance.
can anyone here honestly say that they have been to metallica, tool and , kanye shows and that there was not a noticeable difference in the vibe versus say the dead, umphreys, or wsp. there is a huge difference in the crowd and the vibe. its just the way it is. just like now there is a HUGE difference between the vibe at all good or gratefulfest vs. roo. i dont see how anyone can deny it. sure its wrong to generalize all fans of a certain band but we are talking the majority of their draw not every single person that listens to them. the vibe at roo is way different then it was years ago. plain and simple, i dont see how it can be denied. go to roo and all good this year and tell me there is no difference in the vibe between the 2 youd have to be in a coma to not notice it. but you wouldnt have notied that difference a few years back.
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Jack to Headline Bonnaroo Music Festival February 05, 2008 Jack will headline the Bonnaroo Music Festival on Sunday, June 15th, 2008. Please visit Bonaroo's Website for ticketing & more information.
I'm not saying roo has the same vibes as the other fests you listed, but i also know that it has great vibes, or at least it did last year (I thought) when i went. And this year, many of those same people will be back to enjoy 4 days on the farm. I know if i only liked kanye and metallica, then instead of going to roo, i'd just wait for them to come to my city on tour...
this might have been discussed, but I jumped over some pages....are jack johnson and kanye headlining? cause it just doesn't feel like they'd have the drawing power or the kind of diversity you'd expect in a headlining set...maybe jack will have a collaboration or two?
I wouldn't be surprised to see Matt Costa join Jack since they're scheduled to hit up Australia and Japan before Roo. Mind you Matt is also in the middle of a NA tour that finishes in Nashville on March 9th.
I was really hoping G. Love would be making an appearance at Roo but alas he's in Australia for June & July. Maybe a Ben Harper appearance?
This will be my first Roo this year and I actually bought my plane tickets before the lineup came out. I'm not too stoked about Kanye and Metallica but the rest of the lineup looks like dynamite. I'm going VIP so hopefully I'll have a good time.
can anyone here honestly say that they have been to metallica, tool and , kanye shows and that there was not a noticeable difference in the vibe versus say the dead, umphreys, or wsp. there is a huge difference in the crowd and the vibe. its just the way it is. just like now there is a HUGE difference between the vibe at all good or gratefulfest vs. roo. i dont see how anyone can deny it. sure its wrong to generalize all fans of a certain band but we are talking the majority of their draw not every single person that listens to them. the vibe at roo is way different then it was years ago. plain and simple, i dont see how it can be denied. go to roo and all good this year and tell me there is no difference in the vibe between the 2 youd have to be in a coma to not notice it. but you wouldnt have notied that difference a few years back.
I saw Metallica back in 92 and remember the crowd being really friendly and just excited to see the bands.
In my experience, when a whole bunch of people get together for the same reason, they tend to stay in a good mood. But if the metalheads are worried that they'll get crap from the hippies, then yeah, their guards will be up.
Send love out to the universe and you'll get it in return. We're hippies, we love everyone. Even Metallica fans.
Post by mulcherry0420 on Feb 6, 2008 18:56:15 GMT -5
nutmuscle said:
straight from his site:
Jack to Headline Bonnaroo Music Festival February 05, 2008 Jack will headline the Bonnaroo Music Festival on Sunday, June 15th, 2008. Please visit Bonaroo's Website for ticketing & more information.
can anyone here honestly say that they have been to metallica, tool and , kanye shows and that there was not a noticeable difference in the vibe versus say the dead, umphreys, or wsp. there is a huge difference in the crowd and the vibe. its just the way it is. just like now there is a HUGE difference between the vibe at all good or gratefulfest vs. roo. i dont see how anyone can deny it. sure its wrong to generalize all fans of a certain band but we are talking the majority of their draw not every single person that listens to them. the vibe at roo is way different then it was years ago. plain and simple, i dont see how it can be denied. go to roo and all good this year and tell me there is no difference in the vibe between the 2 youd have to be in a coma to not notice it. but you wouldnt have notied that difference a few years back.
The vibe is definitely different at different shows, but the vibes at non-jam band shows are not necessarily bad. Just different. I've worked metal fests where the crowds were really cool, seen metal bands at mixed festivals where crowds meshed just fine, and been really put off and creeped out by jam band crowds at Grateful Dead, WSP, Phish and Bisco shows (I generally love the jam band vibe and have spent the most years in that "category"). Bonnaroo is not a jam band festival, so the vibe is different than the vibe at a jam band festival. That might be tragic to some, but I like what that difference brings.
Post by mulcherry0420 on Feb 6, 2008 19:00:52 GMT -5
Metallica shows are great. cant say the anything about Kanye.
The vibe will change, as it has every year.
But i think this year with Kanye and Metallica both being there. Will change a lot of things...A LOT In terms of sercurity...everything...my take is most metallica fans wont even bother sitting in the sun for them...so i'm not too worried about it.
true. but that dosent mean i wanna spend 4 days camping with them in the tn sun and dust. and i saw the metallica millenium concert. and there was no problems and it was a good time. but it didnt have the vibe of a fest or a jam show. it wasnt about peace an love with your neighbor. it was about seeing a show and getting drunk. and it was with kid rock and ted nugent. so there was the potential for a real bad time but we had fun. its not entirely my kind of music but it was good. i used to love metallica. and kid rock actually puts on a good show even if the music leaves much to be desired. roo and fests are about so much more then the music and the show and getting fucked up. its the community. but superfly has forsaken that comunity in the name of raising prices and selling tickets. IMO of course
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That's just bizarre that they'd pick JJ to headline over Phil & Friends. I mean...P&F has headlined before and been successful...I just don't see how the festival's any bigger of a draw with Jack in the Sunday headlining slot than it would be even if he weren't there at all.
Hey, Jude, don't be afraid. You were made to go out and get her. The minute you let her under your skin, Then you begin to make it better.
And any time you feel the pain, Hey Jude, refrain. Don't carry the world upon your shoulders. Well don't you know that it's a fool who plays it cool By making his world a little colder.
Also, yeah, the vibe will change some with Met there, but I mean...it's not all of a sudden going to be a Woodstock '99 vibe. It's just going to shift a little bit away from the peace love and understanding vibe...that makes me sad, but I think y'all are overestimating things a bit. I mean, Tool was there last year, and the vibe was a little different, but it still felt more like Bonnaroo than a Tool show.
Hey, Jude, don't be afraid. You were made to go out and get her. The minute you let her under your skin, Then you begin to make it better.
And any time you feel the pain, Hey Jude, refrain. Don't carry the world upon your shoulders. Well don't you know that it's a fool who plays it cool By making his world a little colder.
i don't see the 'die-hard metal a$$holes' that everyone is expecting to be there, spend their money and a whole weekend on a so called 'hippie fest.' IMO not gonna happen. My guess is that they would rather spend 50 bucks and see them in their local stadium. Not worried about the vibes. Its bonnaroo, despite the lineup changes from year to year, I have not noticed one bit of separation between any bonnarooians (40 year old meatheads, teeny boppers, jocks, and hippies alike!)...its one love on the farm. There is no denying that as soon as you step foot on that place. Its the experience and diversity of music and itS many artists.
it pains me to see phil billed below acts like the killers, kanye, metallica, beastie boys, etc... i know the billing really means nothing but come on!!!! wheres the respect for those that truly created this whole festival scene. what has kanye done to impact the festival community. or even to impact music in anyway? hes famous for making comments about george bush not making music.
i guess in the end its just sour grapes. but it just seems that alot of fests have their priorities all backwards. i guess ya gotta put those mainstream attention grabbers out front to sell tix.
Hey, Jude, don't be afraid. You were made to go out and get her. The minute you let her under your skin, Then you begin to make it better.
And any time you feel the pain, Hey Jude, refrain. Don't carry the world upon your shoulders. Well don't you know that it's a fool who plays it cool By making his world a little colder.
I guess the thing that cracks me up the most is for all the talk about "it's not about the headliners" from some of the inforooers. The lineup comes out, and suddenly it IS about the headliners.
yeah i think the lesson here is that the headliners don't MAKE a festival, they sure as hell can BREAK one. yes there will still be ample good music and fun, but sometimes, it's about principles.... and the metallica debate is basically all about principles
true. but that dosent mean i wanna spend 4 days camping with them in the tn sun and dust. and i saw the metallica millenium concert. and there was no problems and it was a good time. but it didnt have the vibe of a fest or a jam show. it wasnt about peace an love with your neighbor. it was about seeing a show and getting drunk. and it was with kid rock and ted nugent. so there was the potential for a real bad time but we had fun. its not entirely my kind of music but it was good. i used to love metallica. and kid rock actually puts on a good show even if the music leaves much to be desired. roo and fests are about so much more then the music and the show and getting fucked up. its the community. but superfly has forsaken that comunity in the name of raising prices and selling tickets. IMO of course
