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Post by trippindaisy on Apr 19, 2007 8:46:47 GMT -5
I agree, they should not have shown that. All it does is glorify what he did to others that think that way, and make it even harder on the victim's families.
One point that I haven't seen talked about anywhere, is that I really feel for his parents. I can't even imagine what they are going through and the kind of treatment they may have to endure because of their son's actions. People can be very cruel and even though it is not their fault, I am sure people will persecute them for it. It's all just so sad
Post by oysterheadhead on Apr 19, 2007 10:03:43 GMT -5
i live about 45 mins from VA Tech. i know some people who work there and as of now i think they are all ok. alot of people around here are really stunned. one of those "won't happen here" things actually happened here.
i also used to live in blacksburg when i was in college. it really is a great town and when the students are there it is a very "international" town with people from lots of different countries.
Post by princessvwc on Apr 19, 2007 12:00:49 GMT -5
People really need to stopped posting and streaming the pics of him and his guns. Do they feel no shame or remorse for the families and friends??? I am shocked and terrified the audacity ht the news room is right now. And the questions they ask onlookers. "What is your reaction to the video? Are you mad? is the crowd over there mad? Are the teachers who had him ashamed they did not force him out?" Ridiculous they feel bad enough as it is sure go ahead and make it worse and glorify the guy. I am happy that one FBI profiler when interviewed on CNN requested that they stop all the media cause it might add to the ideas of another killer about glorification just like how this guy mentioned Columbine. But seriously I had to stop watching tv.
Post by canexplain on Apr 19, 2007 12:49:08 GMT -5
i think it is interesting that on the coachella board, there are threads and threads and talking for days about this ... well in general (sorry to sterotype) the people there are younger then the people on this board ... on this board, not much talk really ... what does that say about roo'ers ... not sure if anything , but it is easy to see when you check out multiple boards .. cr******
See, NBC did hand over the material to the FBI hours and hours before it was released. They waited until the authorties looked through it and authenticated it before they started distributing it. I think it is their duty to report that to us.
My questions is, why is it not ok to for NBC to distribute this material, But its ok for the news to show all what is going on in Iraq everyday. Front page of the Philly Inquirer today was a marketplace in Iraq where over 100 people yesterday or the day before died due to bombings. Its ok for this, but its not ok for NBC to give America a little insight of the mind of this killer.
You know, just as many americans died in Iraq last week as died in VA on Monday. How easily we forget.
i agree. i personally dont think it needs to be on 24 hours a day like it is. although if people didnt watch it they wouldnt show it. but they turned chos package over to the fbi as soon as they realized what it was and the fbi is telling them what they can show after they have used it. and ya cant really single nbc out because every news outlet is showing it non stop. this is a shocking event for sure, but i dont see how it is all the world news talks about for days. there is much bigger stuff going on that should be covered.
again what id like to know is why arent the police doing their job? this guy was deemed a danger by our 'system' and yet no attention is paid to him. professors threatened to quit if he wasnt removed from class yet the university did nothing. sometimes our political correctness goes too far. cant watch the korean psychopath thats deemed dangerous but they have plenty of time to bust 19 year olds for having a beer. people like this guy and sex offenders are out in the public and noone is doing anything to protect us or our children. they post a friggin list of all the dangerous people they are letting loose on us so we can watch them ourselves and live in fear. gimmie a break. how many more shootings and abductions will it take before they do their job?
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Post by trippindaisy on Apr 19, 2007 18:38:59 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
i agree. i personally dont think it needs to be on 24 hours a day like it is. although if people didnt watch it they wouldnt show it. but they turned chos package over to the fbi as soon as they realized what it was and the fbi is telling them what they can show after they have used it. and ya cant really single nbc out because every news outlet is showing it non stop. this is a shocking event for sure, but i dont see how it is all the world news talks about for days. there is much bigger stuff going on that should be covered.
again what id like to know is why arent the police doing their job? this guy was deemed a danger by our 'system' and yet no attention is paid to him. professors threatened to quit if he wasnt removed from class yet the university did nothing. sometimes our political correctness goes too far. cant watch the korean psychopath thats deemed dangerous but they have plenty of time to bust 19 year olds for having a beer. people like this guy and sex offenders are out in the public and noone is doing anything to protect us or our children. they post a friggin list of all the dangerous people they are letting loose on us so we can watch them ourselves and live in fear. gimmie a break. how many more shootings and abductions will it take before they do their job?
I totally agree. I have been in a situation where I was stalked and harrassed - for a very long period of time and I collected every piece of evidence I could. I filed charges multiple times and yet he never went to jail for any of it. I had a restraining order and also an order of protection and he just didn't care because he knew unless he actually showed up at my door and threatened me, the police would do nothing. He was admitted at one point to a mental institution and they let him out 2 days later, with no follow up. Scary stuff......
Alot of that is very hard to read....Looking at some of them, on the day of the incident, they have alot of messages telling them to call, are you ok, and then the next day, all the messages of we will miss you, rip...Very sad...
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 7:37:05 GMT -5
mikede said:
See, NBC did hand over the material to the FBI hours and hours before it was released. They waited until the authorties looked through it and authenticated it before they started distributing it. I think it is their duty to report that to us.
My questions is, why is it not ok to for NBC to distribute this material, But its ok for the news to show all what is going on in Iraq everyday. Front page of the Philly Inquirer today was a marketplace in Iraq where over 100 people yesterday or the day before died due to bombings. Its ok for this, but its not ok for NBC to give America a little insight of the mind of this killer.
You know, just as many americans died in Iraq last week as died in VA on Monday. How easily we forget.
Who said anything about forgetting what's happening in Iraq?? IMO all this does is sensationalize the killer and show other young disturbed minds that they can be infamous if they do the same. Plus the aforementioned torment on the victims/families. Do you really think getting a little insight into his mind (he's a sick fuck, big surprise) is worth the potential damage it could cause by inducing copy-cats and the real damage it's causing to those that have already really been affected?
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 7:39:06 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
i agree. i personally dont think it needs to be on 24 hours a day like it is. although if people didnt watch it they wouldnt show it. but they turned chos package over to the fbi as soon as they realized what it was and the fbi is telling them what they can show after they have used it. and ya cant really single nbc out because every news outlet is showing it non stop. this is a shocking event for sure, but i dont see how it is all the world news talks about for days. there is much bigger stuff going on that should be covered.
Just because people will watch something doesn't by itself mean it should be aired. And you can single out NBC because they were the only ones who had the package. If they didn't show it, nobody else would have it.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 8:09:47 GMT -5
I think that either way, NBC would be ridiculed for the footage. If they didn't show it, people would be upset for witholding information. Now that they have shown it, people are upset for it being aired. Either way, people would be upset, I believe.
Personally, I wanted to see the photos and hear what he had to say. I'm not glorifying him...I simply wanted to know what was going on...and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 9:04:26 GMT -5
Is your curiosity being satisfied worth the impact it has on the victims/families? There was nothing to be gained by showing that to the public. Nothing.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 9:11:53 GMT -5
Of course we're going to watch it, and we want to see it.....we're all products of the all-access, instant gratification society we now live in. If NBC was going to take a hit either way, why not do the right thing for the victims and not the right thing for their pocket books?
I know, I know....everthing is driven by profit. Let's just all give in and join the mass raping of our souls for the allmighty dollar.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 9:17:44 GMT -5
So is it ok that they keep showing his photo over and over again? Not the ones he sent in, but just his regular photo.
What about the photos of the victims being carried out of the school? Is it ok to show those photos? If it were me, I would not want my photo of being carried out after being shot on the screens for everyone to see.
How can you or anyone decide what is right and wrong?
EDIT: On that note, I don't think that showing the video and pictures he took of himself will make anyone want to go out and shoot people because they think they will be a hero and get their faces on the news. Cho's photo was plastered all over the screens before the tape was sent in, and it was on every news station in America. Everyone knew who he was by then and the tape just answered questions to a motive that everyone wanted to know the answer to. I don't think they need to air the tape repeatedly, however. I just don't think it was wrong for them to show the tape. Like you said, people want to see it. How can you blame them for giving you what you said you/people wanted? Doesn't that make you a guilty party, too?
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 9:24:49 GMT -5
And his regular photo and video of the victims doesn't sensationalize the situation. They gave him exactly what he wanted. A horrible precedent was set.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 9:26:49 GMT -5
What he wanted was to be known and to get back at the "rich kids". He got that by the media plastering his face everywhere you look, regardless of whether he sent in a tape or not!!!
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 9:28:55 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
On that note, I don't think that showing the video and pictures he took of himself will make anyone want to go out and shoot people because they think they will be a hero and get their faces on the news. Cho's photo was plastered all over the screens before the tape was sent in, and it was on every news station in America. Everyone knew who he was by then and the tape just answered questions to a motive that everyone wanted to know the answer to. I don't think they need to air the tape repeatedly, however. I just don't think it was wrong for them to show the tape. Like you said, people want to see it. How can you blame them for giving you what you said you/people wanted? Doesn't that make you a guilty party, too?
The fbi could have told us what his motive was. We didn't need to see it.
I would like to see porn on network tv. Does that mean they should show it to me?
It doesn't make me guilty, it makes me human. They shouldn't have shown it because, imo, it was irresponsible.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 9:37:09 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that you shouldn't blame them for showing it if you WANTED to see it. All people have to do it turn the channel if they don't want to view it. That's what I did after I saw it the first time. Showing it wasn't wrong, it was news that people wanted to see. Showing it repeatedly is wrong.
If you can argue that showing the tapes he made is insensitive to the victims and their families, then even showing his picture would be insensitive. One photo cannot be right to show, and another wrong to show.
Are you really gonna bring porn into this? Really?
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 9:37:30 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
What he wanted was to be known and to get back at the "rich kids". He got that by the media plastering his face everywhere you look, regardless of whether he sent in a tape or not!!!
But he got to be known on his terms, and he got to spew his agenda. Now the next sicko to try something like this - and there will be one - will think they can have their cake and eat it to.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 9:41:11 GMT -5
I think he got his point across when he shot 32 people. His agenda was to kill people to get recognition and revenge, and just by the media and everyone else talking about it, he got it. It just so happened that he sent in a video.
How about the video of the two guys from Columbine? They show that, but no one is talking about how wrong it is to show it.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 9:49:16 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
All I'm saying is that you shouldn't blame them for showing it if you WANTED to see it. All people have to do it turn the channel if they don't want to view it. That's what I did after I saw it the first time. Showing it wasn't wrong, it was news that people wanted to see. Showing it repeatedly is wrong.
If you can argue that showing the tapes he made is insensitive to the victims and their families, then even showing his picture would be insensitive. One photo cannot be right to show, and another wrong to show.
Are you really gonna bring porn into this? Really?
Whether or not I or you wanted to see it isn't the point. We didn't need to see it. Showing his picture was fine. Now the victims/families get to see shots of him holstering guns and spewing his rhetoric in their sleep. Plus they know he got EXACTLY what he wanted.
The porn comment was meant to try to lighten the mood, but the comparison is apt. Just because we want to see something doesn't mean it's responsible for the networks to show it.
