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Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 12:35:03 GMT -5
deathreau said:
What is the advantage of showing the video, over reporting what he said?
So that people may see for themselves. At this point, it's hard for me to trust the media to be truthful...this way I get to actually see what he said and hear his own words.
Besides, if they didn't show the video, people would know about it and most would be curious to what was on the video. Why not go ahead and show it for those of us who want to watch it? People don't need to be left out in the dark on this matter and if they don't care, then they probably won't watch.
What is the advantage of reporting what he said over showing the video?
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 12:42:49 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
What is the advantage of reporting what he said over showing the video?
As I've said before, victims don't have to see it (images have a much bigger impact, and are harder to avoid, than words), don't give the killer what he wants, and don't give future killers the idea they can do the same.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 12:46:17 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
deathreau said:
What is the advantage of showing the video, over reporting what he said?
So that people may see for themselves. At this point, it's hard for me to trust the media to be truthful...this way I get to actually see what he said and hear his own words.
Besides, if they didn't show the video, people would know about it and most would be curious to what was on the video. Why not go ahead and show it for those of us who want to watch it? People don't need to be left out in the dark on this matter and if they don't care, then they probably won't watch.
IMO, none of this outweighs the negatives that I listed. Curiosity and being on the inside don't translate as something you need to have fulfilled, hence you don't need to see it.
and again, imo. obviously the sticking point here is you view what I'm saying as just that, an opinion, and an opinion shouldn't impede on your rights to see it.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 12:49:47 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
deathreau said:
What is the advantage of showing the video, over reporting what he said?
So that people may see for themselves. At this point, it's hard for me to trust the media to be truthful...this way I get to actually see what he said and hear his own words.
Besides, if they didn't show the video, people would know about it and most would be curious to what was on the video. Why not go ahead and show it for those of us who want to watch it? People don't need to be left out in the dark on this matter and if they don't care, then they probably won't watch.
What is the advantage of reporting what he said over showing the video?
And actually, we've only seen bits and pieces, so there is a lot that was left out. So basically, none of the problems you have with not showing it have been fixed.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 13:07:37 GMT -5
deathreau said:
As I've said before, victims don't have to see it (images have a much bigger impact, and are harder to avoid, than words), don't give the killer what he wants, and don't give future killers the idea they can do the same.
He got what he wanted the day it happened and the news leaked out. It happened the day his face was on every TV set in America. It doesn't matter if he made the video and the media showed it. He was already the news that everyone was watching. The video just added to it, and NBC did what they felt they had to do.
Like I've said before, it's not up to you or anyone else to define what someone does or does not need to see. That is purely opinion and I would rather have the CHOICE to see it other than not having the choice. I don't want my news filtered because it might offend.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 13:08:50 GMT -5
deathreau said:
As I've said before, victims don't have to see it (images have a much bigger impact, and are harder to avoid, than words),
That's been my point all along, so why are we having a discussion on this any longer? If you don't want to see it, then don't watch it. Don't make the decision for me.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 13:10:03 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
deathreau said:
As I've said before, victims don't have to see it (images have a much bigger impact, and are harder to avoid, than words), don't give the killer what he wants, and don't give future killers the idea they can do the same.
He got what he wanted the day it happened and the news leaked out. It happened the day his face was on every TV set in America. It doesn't matter if he made the video and the media showed it. He was already the news that everyone was watching. The video just added to it, and NBC did what they felt they had to do.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 13:12:00 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
deathreau said:
As I've said before, victims don't have to see it (images have a much bigger impact, and are harder to avoid, than words),
That's been my point all along, so why are we having a discussion on this any longer? If you don't want to see it, then don't watch it. Don't make the decision for me.
That's taken out of context. I meant, if the video wasn't shown, they wouldn't have to SEE it.
The decision was made for you to only see bits and pieces of the video, so censorship has already happened.
EDIT: So now your "rights" have been infringed since it was censored, and all the negatives I mentioned have happened. Lose lose situation = bad decision by nbc.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 13:16:00 GMT -5
But they don't HAVE to see it. Why do they HAVE to see it? Last time I checked, there was a power button on the remote.
I think you're missing my point here. All I'm saying is that NBC did what they felt they had to do by showing the video. Either way people would be pissed about the video. He was already on every TV set in America by Tuesday, long before the video came out. He got what he wanted the first time someone uttered his name and splashed his photo on the screen. Period.
You have to look at it from NBC's viewpoint though. They get a package, with a video from the deceased killer in this huge news story. They're gonna have to report that they got a video from the killer. So what then? We have this video, but we can't show it.
I see what some of you are saying. But it's the news. They've showed videos of hostages that got beheaded in Iraq. Of course not the beheadings. So there is censorship, there has to be, but they also have to show the reality of the situation.
When I saw the video, they laid out a disclaimer, that some of the footage, some viewers might find shocking, and they may not want to watch. That seems pretty responsible to me.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 13:24:40 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
But they don't HAVE to see it. Why do they HAVE to see it? Last time I checked, there was a power button on the remote.
I think you're missing my point here. All I'm saying is that NBC did what they felt they had to do by showing the video. Either way people would be pissed about the video. He was already on every TV set in America by Tuesday, long before the video came out. He got what he wanted the first time someone uttered his name and splashed his photo on the screen. Period.
Anybody that was even loosely following the coverage saw it. There was no way around them seeing it.
If they people would be pissed either way, why not err on the side of the victims?
I totally disagree with your last two sentences. He took the time to make the video and send it to a network tv station so it would be aired and he could be infamous. I don't know how you can deny that.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 13:27:31 GMT -5
I didn't see a disclaimer, that makes a difference. But, I actually didn't see it on nbc at all, once they aired it everybody else picked it up, and not everybody used the disclaimer.
About the only thing I'll concede at this point is that maybe the blame should be placed on the fbi as well, as they could have had the power to forbid anybody to show it.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 13:29:48 GMT -5
And I don't know how you can deny that he already got what he wanted when they said his name and showed his photo. He got what he wanted when he pulled the trigger, too.
Actually, no one knows what he "wanted". We're all speculating what he wanted. Maybe he wanted people to follow him and believe he was the second Christ. Who knows.
Also, if you're concerned with censorship, should NBC censor the video alltogether by not showing it? That doesn't seem right.
ps-there was a way around not seeing it.....power or channel up/down.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 13:38:51 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
And I don't know how you can deny that he already got what he wanted when they said his name and showed his photo. He got what he wanted when he pulled the trigger, too.
Actually, no one knows what he "wanted". We're all speculating what he wanted. Maybe he wanted people to follow him and believe he was the second Christ. Who knows.
Also, if you're concerned with censorship, should NBC censor the video alltogether by not showing it? That doesn't seem right.
We know what he wanted because he took the time to make the video and send it. I'm sure he sent it with the intentions of wanting them to show it. I feel very very safe in making that assumption.
In regards to censorship I'm just illustrating the point that this was already censored. One of your points was that nbc should show it because they should report everything. Well, they didn't.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 20, 2007 13:47:28 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say that they didn't show everything because there probably wasn't enough time to show it all in a news broadcast and still retain the viewer's attention. After all, it was laced with profanity and we would probably hear more beeps than words! But, I don't know why they don't show it all. It will probably show up on the internet, if it hasn't already.
It doesn't matter to me anymore, anyway. I can't stand to see his face at this point. I was just curious what he had to say, and I'm thankful I was allowed to view it. That's all.
I'm glad there are intelligent people on this board that can have civil discussion without insults. Thanks, inforoosters!
Post by Hipster Doofus on Apr 20, 2007 13:57:58 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
I'm just gonna say that they didn't show everything because there probably wasn't enough time to show it all in a news broadcast and still retain the viewer's attention. After all, it was laced with profanity and we would probably hear more beeps than words! But, I don't know why they don't show it all. It will probably show up on the internet, if it hasn't already.
It doesn't matter to me anymore, anyway. I can't stand to see his face at this point. I was just curious what he had to say, and I'm thankful I was allowed to view it. That's all.
You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you, you idiot!!!!
Just kidding ;D
Dead horse may now RIP. Again thanks for keeping everything so civil.
One thing we can all agree on, let's pray that those with mental issues that could manifest itself into something as horrible as this masacre get the help they need to recover and become functioning members of our society.
About the only thing I'll concede at this point is that maybe the blame should be placed on the fbi as well, as they could have had the power to forbid anybody to show it.
I honestly can't see how the FBI having final say over what we see and hear would ever be a good thing.
Call me a cynic, but it's been a long time since I've felt any of the networks have any thoughts of providing me with complete and accurate information. Sadly, I think their one and only concern is always money. No matter what the general public may think - right or wrong - they know that airing clips will translate to viewers which will translate to $$$$.
Post by blazinhazen on Apr 23, 2007 12:50:58 GMT -5
My second cousin was a professor in Norris Hall when the incident went down. He went out into the stairwell to see what was going on with another professor. They both got shot at. My cousin survived; the other professor died. I had no idea until the following day when my dad called. It's just awful!
