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Did nobody else take issue with the stuff with Anthony's kids that I did?
Meadow probably could have been utilized more, but I think their use fits in with the show's overarching theme.
I'm on the opinion that the show's great thesis is that hardly anyone ever changes for the better. They'll pick the easy way every time, even to their detriment. You see it with Carmela's decisions in Season 5 and 6, and Meadow/AJ reflect that the gravitational pull of the power and wealth created by Tony's lifestyle is almost insurmountable.
But, as I mentioned above, I think the middle episodes of season 6 were a wasted opportunity. More focus on Meadow/AJ during that time would have likely been a good thing.
Did nobody else take issue with the stuff with Anthony's kids that I did?
Meadow probably could have been utilized more, but I think their use fits in with the show's overarching theme.
I'm on the opinion that the show's great thesis is that hardly anyone ever changes for the better. They'll pick the easy way every time, even to their detriment. You see it with Carmela's decisions in Season 5 and 6, and Meadow/AJ reflect that the gravitational pull of the power and wealth created by Tony's lifestyle is almost insurmountable.
But, as I mentioned above, I think the middle episodes of season 6 were a wasted opportunity. More focus on Meadow/AJ during that time would have likely been a good thing.
I feel like AJ could have made for an extremely compelling addition to the story. It directly shows how AJ is experiencing what Tony felt the entire show, which has been passed down the soprano family for generations, and boils over to a much farther level with his suicide attempt. It's one of the few endearing points of the show where Tony rescues AJ and it feels brushed off a little quick. Very little focus on his therapy/what he is doing to heal. The show portrayed one of the most tragic potential endings to stuggles with mental health and offered very little in showing the healing.
It's just frustrating because he was such a flat, archetype for most of the show, and then they finally give him an extremely meaningful role that reflects on the cycles of violence that the show was talking of for 5 prior seasons and they barely give it screen time.
It was kind of the opposite of Meadow. She was going to be the good that came out of all of the evil and they just broke her character down so much that even a huge thing like splitting from a fiancé (something that drove her brother to the edge) is only mentioned in passing. All of that after the decline in their relationship was built up for at least a season. Also, there is some big mystery around her secret boyfriend who ends up being one of tony's employees and when it comes out that they're a thing, he contributes so little to the show that I don't even remember his name
Post by Cookin' Mama on Apr 13, 2021 13:50:02 GMT -5
title sequence/theme song is one of the best there is imo. I think I may've been more meh on it when I first started watching it but it grew on my throughout my first watch and I absolutely love it now.
title sequence/theme song is one of the best there is imo. I think I may've been more meh on it when I first started watching it but it grew on my throughout my first watch and I absolutely love it now.
I love the song/title sequence too, but I don't really listen to or think about the lyrics of any music until I am forced to do so. The lyrics to that song are insanely stupid. This was first brought to my attention on the podcast "Pod Yourself a Gun", which, yes, is as bad a title as it seems. Those guys rag on the title sequence, and while I still think it sets the ominous, foreboding tone it wants, I can see that the lyrics are stupid.
title sequence/theme song is one of the best there is imo. I think I may've been more meh on it when I first started watching it but it grew on my throughout my first watch and I absolutely love it now.
I love the song/title sequence too, but I don't really listen to or think about the lyrics of any music until I am forced to do so. The lyrics to that song are insanely stupid. This was first brought to my attention on the podcast "Pod Yourself a Gun", which, yes, is as bad a title as it seems. Those guys rag on the title sequence, and while I still think it sets the ominous, foreboding tone it wants, I can see that the lyrics are stupid.
I also have never really thought about the lyrics. I know them of course but that's because it plays at the beginning of every episode and I've never gave them a passing thought really. My initial reaction is that they're kind of relevant to the show, specifically Tony and that they're not dumb, at least not especially so. Tony's mother and father are very influential part of his life and this song being the first thing we hear kind of reflects that. The lines about the father hold up and the violence that the song hints at. I also agree with you about the ominous tone.
Of course the lyrics aren't completely biographical though; The lines in the song about what the mother says wouldn't be something Livia would say because she was a hateful person/mother but it does reflect Tony being a leader and thinking he's that greatest person in the world. The song on it's own also sounds kind of dated and is not something I'm going to listen to outside of this context.
I know I'm looking into the lyrics right now with my "Sopranos is my favorite show" tinted glasses on so maybe my opinions will change after I've thought about it for awhile. This can be another topic I think about when I'm thinking about The Sopranos, which seems to happen a lot.
1. What do we think about the title sequence/theme song? 2. How do we feel about the therapy sessions?
I have feelings on both but will wait for others to answer.
-i agree with what James is saying about mom/dad. its fine but really I just don't like the nu metal record scratch thing at the end, don't know if it's actually part of the song or if they put that in as a cut.
-i really liked them, I thought it had a lot to work with.
thinking about it as a tightly constrained place, a small office, compared to all of NJ, it's the only place where he actually has room to be fully himself and not be constrained by other people's expectations. you get a full range of emotion, he's got full trust in her in a way that he doesn't even have with his family.
I think without them and the dream sequences, it's just a good but generic mob show.
Post by Cookin' Mama on Apr 13, 2021 15:05:34 GMT -5
I'm not completely sold on the dream sequences. I watched an interview with David Chase (I believe) where and he talked about how the dream sequences didn't really mean anything and I can't help but thinking, if they don't mean anything, then why are they there?
I don't hate them, just not sure if I would miss them if they weren't in the show.
Post by Dale Cooper on Apr 13, 2021 15:17:11 GMT -5
I think the first 3-4 seasons of the therapy sessions work great. It kind of peaks with "Employee of the Month" and then they become pretty unnecessary.
I love the dream sequences. The end of season 2, the Test Dream and the beginning of season 6 are all awesome.
I'm not completely sold on the dream sequences. I watched an interview with David Chase (I believe) where and he talked about how the dream sequences didn't really mean anything and I can't help but thinking, if they don't mean anything, then why are they there?
I don't hate them, just not sure if I would miss them if they weren't in the show.
I don't think they have a lot of hidden context but I think they did a good job of setting the tone and showing his state of mind, as opposed to something like Don Draper's which felt more of an inner workings. but that might be been necessary in mad men because he wasn't going to therapy and laying it out
I'm not completely sold on the dream sequences. I watched an interview with David Chase (I believe) where and he talked about how the dream sequences didn't really mean anything and I can't help but thinking, if they don't mean anything, then why are they there?
I don't hate them, just not sure if I would miss them if they weren't in the show.
I don't think they have a lot of hidden context but I think they did a good job of setting the tone and showing his state of mind, as opposed to something like Don Draper's which felt more of an inner workings. but that might be been necessary in mad men because he wasn't going to therapy and laying it out
I'll probably give the dream sequences more attention when I end up rewatching it again, which won't be for a while but will inevitably happen.
I figured the dream sequences were just the creators have fun. Tony rejects any of the potential insights to them sans one of them that I don’t feel like getting off mobile to spoil
I figured the dream sequences were just the creators have fun. Tony rejects any of the potential insights to them sans one of them that I don’t feel like getting off mobile to spoil
The show ended 14 years ago you don't need to spoil
I figured the dream sequences were just the creators have fun. Tony rejects any of the potential insights to them sans one of them that I don’t feel like getting off mobile to spoil
The show ended 14 years ago you don't need to spoil
I figured the dream sequences were just the creators have fun. Tony rejects any of the potential insights to them sans one of them that I don’t feel like getting off mobile to spoil
The show ended 14 years ago you don't need to spoil
I finished it like 2 weeks ago and was terrified to join the thread to discuss as I was watching it. Figured I wouldn’t be a part of the problem that I feared
The show ended 14 years ago you don't need to spoil
I finished it like 2 weeks ago and was terrified to join the thread to discuss as I was watching it. Figured I wouldn’t be a part of the problem that I feared
The show ended 14 years ago you don't need to spoil
beebee hasn't finished!
There's gotta be a limit to when you can not have to worry about spoiling something. At some point, it's on the person who hasn't seen something to avoid being spoiled and not the other way around.
There's gotta be a limit to when you can not have to worry about spoiling something. At some point, it's on the person who hasn't seen something to avoid being spoiled and not the other way around.
i agree to an extent for sure. The only reason I'm being extra cautious here is because it's had a recent resurgence in popularity.
The Test Dream and the Kevin Finnerty stuff are among my least favorite episodes.
I liked it, but I think this sort of backs of your earlier point..I watched this after leftovers which very clearly borrows from it, so it wasn't so much of a what is happening thing for me