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Post by spookymonster on Jun 6, 2007 14:32:46 GMT -5
No no no... you're absolutely right. I was a fool for even trying to argue with such a superior intellect. It's obvious from the way you've continued to beat this dead horse that your far more of a master debater than I.
Given Israel is the only democratic state in the MIddle east I have no problem as a matter of foreign policy to support them........hopefully they can do our dirty work
You don't mind them owning our politicians...literally? We do whatever Israel wants because our entire government is on their payroll, most from the more than $2 billion in economic and military aid we give them every year. Not to mention the fact that the whole reason we have this current problem with islamic terrorism all stems from Israel. They don't hate our "ways," they don't hate our democracy, they hate our unrelenting support for Israel and our presence on Arab lands - which is a consequence of us being Israel's lapdogs.
I mind. I mind a whole lot. Israel can handle itself, there's no reason we should even be getting in the middle of it.
And I've been thru Turkey, it's not nearly as bad as you're trying to make it out to be. Though a lot of places there do seem to smell pretty bad.
Post by chicagorooer on Jun 6, 2007 18:36:14 GMT -5
we will never stop supporting Israel ever.....if the Arabs hate JEws that's there problem they are the racist....The U.S. stands up for people although if it wasn't for the U.S. holding Israel back I suspect the entire middle east would be blown to shit.....
Our entire gov't is on Israels payroll...yeah that is over generalizing don't u think?....every single person in gov't get's money from israel.....if u believe that I got a bunk sweet tart u can buy......fuck politics that superjam is gonnna be da ....shit
we will never stop supporting Israel ever.....if the Arabs hate JEws that's there problem they are the racist....The U.S. stands up for people although if it wasn't for the U.S. holding Israel back I suspect the entire middle east would be blown to nuts.....
Our entire gov't is on Israels payroll...yeah that is over generalizing don't u think?....every single person in gov't get's money from israel.....if u believe that I got a bunk sweet tart u can buy......fuck politics that superjam is gonnna be da ....shit
Actually, it becomes our problem too, as evidenced by the current of the world today and our own foreign policy. And don't kid yourself, Israel isn't "doing our dirty work," it's the other way around.
And yeah, anyone in our government who has any real power to influence US foreign policy has already been bought off by AIPAC. They wouldn't allow anyone who wasn't "sympathetic" to Israel to get elected in the first place.
And have you ever stopped to think about just why we support Israel so much? Honestly, why do we? I hear all the time that Israel is one of our closest allies - allies are supposed to help each other out, what have they ever done for us? I know they attacked one of our intelligence ships back during the 6 day war. I know they had full previous knowledge of the attack on the Marine Barracks in Beirut in 1983 that killed 241 US servicemen (one of them being my own father) but didn't tell us because they wanted us and the French out of Lebanon so they could have free reign of the place and operate without any restriction. I remember when asked about what the 9-11 attacks meant for the US and Israel, the first words out of PM Benjamin Netanyahu's mouth were "It's very good."
I'll ask you again. Why are we such strong "allies?"
i agree with ya. but we did lose a few hundered thousand people to kepp them from being wiped out. it would have been silly to save them from hitler an then feed them to the arabs. although putting israel in germany would have been logical and solved alot of this. and im sure they will "help" when it comes time to attack iran or just flat take over the middle east. israel is basically a second us army based in the middle east. and i havent heard about netanyahus comments sayin it was good. but for israel it was good. it meant bush could execute his ridiculous plan to invade iraq and threaten the rest of the middle east. and that opened the door for israel to run wild in lebanon. its all been planned. our world leaders are scary individuals. they are manipulating the world through violence in the name of profits and power. and bush is a religous fanatic. he believes in the coming apocalypse and that jesus will be born again when his followers create the right conditions on earth. being friendly with israel and invading the middle east plays right into both of those ridiculous dillusions. plus dosent the bible tell christians that those who protect the jews will be rewarded and protected by god?
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Post by chicagorooer on Jun 6, 2007 20:39:06 GMT -5
The attack on the barracks in beirut was that Bush's fault? This crap has been going on a long time and Bush is the only leader in the U.S. to take a stand and say enough is enough. u may not like the way he has conducted the war but atleast he took a stand unlike other U.S. presidents we had in the past. I find it difficult to believe Israel wanted us to get blown up.
the real question isn't why are we allies with Israel.? It should be why are we allies with france and germany after all that B.s.
If u think an arms race is bad now how about if we never went into Iraq...with Iran flat out stating they want a nuke and u can't stop us don't u think sadaam would have done everything in his power to get a nuke as well. The way it is now Iraq is no where near getting a nuke and for the U.S/ that is a damm good thing......
Bush never threatened the middle east the middle east has been threating the world for a long time..beirut in 83 Bush was not around....94 world trade center no bush!! bombing of the uss cole...no bush ......attack on the embassy in kenya ..no bush.....kidnapping of americans by iran in the 70's ...no bush ......
How easily the past is forgotten....this is way bigger than bush been around way before bush but guess what the terrorist don't like bush and that is a real good thing
man you live in bush world dont you. bush this. bush that. bush breakfast, bush lunch, and bush diner. all bush all the time. you better watch it they're gonna put you on some type of watch list.
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Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jun 6, 2007 20:46:02 GMT -5
Israel doesn't want us to be blown up. They want us to do their dirty work for them. and Extreemist Christian conservatives support Israel because of the bible. we all know Jesus can't have His Second Coming unless the children of God control the Holy Land. Sounds like sound foreign policy to me. -Edited to clarify sarcasam in that last statement-
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by chicagorooer on Jun 6, 2007 20:52:22 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
man you live in bush world dont you. bush this. bush that. bush breakfast, bush lunch, and bush diner. all bush all the time. you better watch it their gonna put you on some type of watch list.
"...and the Germans kill the Jews, and the Jews kill the Arabs, and the Arabs kill the hostages, and that is the news. Is it any wonder that the monkey's confused?..."
We treat mishaps like sinking ships and I know that I don't want to be out to drift Well I can see it in your eyes like I taste your lips and They both tell me that we're better than this
Post by chicagorooer on Jun 7, 2007 10:48:28 GMT -5
indigo said:
karma from me as well for the waters reference.
Do us all a favor, Chicagorooer, go find the nastiest place in Turkey, and document it for us. So we can all see just how bad it is.
typical left wing KOOK talk. Once the truth has been told and is so obvious as to not be disputed then the crazy talk comes out.....let me guess ALL the bad parts of TURKEY is BUSH"S fault and the reason he doesn't care to fix turkey is because Iraeel advised him that if he did he would lose all his $$$$
ohh I forgot there are no bad places in turkey it's a great toursist location ....
Do us all a favor, Chicagorooer, go find the nastiest place in Turkey, and document it for us. So we can all see just how bad it is.
typical left wing KOOK talk. Once the truth has been told and is so obvious as to not be disputed then the crazy talk comes out.....let me guess ALL the bad parts of TURKEY is BUSH"S fault and the reason he doesn't care to fix turkey is because Iraeel advised him that if he did he would lose all his $$$$
ohh I forgot there are no bad places in turkey it's a great toursist location ....
How the heck is that KOOK TALK? I simply asked you to show us how bad Turkey is. I'm not going to assume Turkey is bad simply because your superior knowledge says so. I've not mentioned Bush at all, so your rant doesn't make sense, you're definitely full of crap on your opinions, and your lack of use of punctuation and capitalization shows exactly how "educated" you are about world events.
Go pick a fight with Putin, so I can rest a little easier.
We treat mishaps like sinking ships and I know that I don't want to be out to drift Well I can see it in your eyes like I taste your lips and They both tell me that we're better than this
Post by chicagorooer on Jun 7, 2007 10:58:35 GMT -5
^^ not my fault u don't know anything about foreign lands...if u don't know about Turkey or other places how can u speak about it. U want to blame bush for all things bad.... and my opinions may be full of crap to u but to say grammar and world events are related really is very weird!!!
You are missing the point that I didn't even mention Bush.
The thing is, I don't assume to know everything about the world. I don't believe everything people tell me either, especially on a message board such as this fine one here.
I'll add to the list. Sarcasm, punctuation, and grammar are irrelevant in world events and intelligent discussion in your "real world".
I'm done. Go troll somewhere else. I am not feeding you any more.
We treat mishaps like sinking ships and I know that I don't want to be out to drift Well I can see it in your eyes like I taste your lips and They both tell me that we're better than this
Post by chicagorooer on Jun 7, 2007 11:03:07 GMT -5
read the thread I have been called self rigteous ..extremist , full of crap and the list goes on and on......all for having a different opinion....just because i won't rant an drave how crappy bush is and on this board unless u HATE BUSH U are slammed ..so much for open minded people
Post by chicagorooer on Jun 7, 2007 11:07:41 GMT -5
indigo said:
You are missing the point that I didn't even mention Bush.
The thing is, I don't assume to know everything about the world. I don't believe everything people tell me either, especially on a message board such as this fine one here.
I'll add to the list. Sarcasm, punctuation, and grammar are irrelevant in world events and intelligent discussion in your "real world".
I'm done. Go troll somewhere else. I am not feeding you any more.
this is a message board poor grammar and spelling is par for the course...
there is no way I am going to conform to the white christian males way of spelling and grammar.....
read the thread I have been called self rigteous ..extremist , full of crap and the list goes on and on......all for having a different opinion....just because i won't rant an drave how crappy bush is and on this board unless u HATE BUSH U are slammed ..so much for open minded people
While there may be some merit to that, I think its more how you articulate yourself and your point of view. If the odds are stacked against you based only on your opinion, what do you think is going to happen when you shoot off at the mouth like a fool?
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
read the thread I have been called self rigteous ..extremist , full of crap and the list goes on and on......all for having a different opinion....just because i won't rant an drave how crappy bush is and on this board unless u HATE BUSH U are slammed ..so much for open minded people
Treat people the way you want to be treated. If they continue to be rude to you, walk away.
read the thread I have been called self rigteous ..extremist , full of crap and the list goes on and on......all for having a different opinion....just because i won't rant an drave how crappy bush is and on this board unless u HATE BUSH U are slammed ..so much for open minded people