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Post by spookymonster on Jul 19, 2007 9:06:57 GMT -5
bos1969 said:
spookymonster said:
Frankly, I respect someone calling themselves a Conservative or Liberal more than someone who identifies themselves as Republican or Democrat; that just smacks too much of "my party, right or wrong".
I think you have come to know me well enough to know that I would never voote straight along party lines anyway - I think I am square in the middle and can safely be called a Moderate
Hell, I've been known to pull the lever on a Republican candidate or two in my time...
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 19, 2007 9:13:35 GMT -5
I'm not gonna lie... if Hillary Clinton is ever my only option as a democratic candidate I will have no problem voting for the Republican... pending the candidate, of course.
PS. Meg, I hope you weren't offended by my comment... it was all in good humor ;D
Post by spookymonster on Jul 19, 2007 9:37:46 GMT -5
I'm really, really, REALLY hoping Gore steps back up to the plate - An Inconvenient Truth has made him immensely popular and softened his previously dull image, the environmentalist movement is gaining widespread support, and his nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize frames him as one of the smartest men in America today. His prior tenure as #2 during one of the most successful presidencies in history gives him the edge against all these political newbies (relatively speaking).
The only good thing about Hillary winning would be the feeling of satisfaction of getting Bill back in the White House, even if he isn't in control (technically ). Other than that, she's exactly what the Democratic party doesn't need - another populist candidate pandering flavor-of-the-month promises to every special interest group under the Democratic banner. Obama's got charisma, and his rhetoric has the greatest potential to unify a disorganized party, but I don't think he can win - we're still too hung up on race in this country. Edwards is just too blah, but seems to have a genuine interest in political change.
Hmmm... I wonder if Gore would consider taking the VP slot for Hillary? Clinton/Gore in 08? Three-peat, anyone?
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 19, 2007 9:40:45 GMT -5
^^As interesting as that would be, I really couldn't see myself voting for Hillary Clinton. I'm pulling for Obama, but like you said... it's not likely
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 19, 2007 9:53:20 GMT -5
^^Thanks for the Karma!
there was actually a rumor floating around here last year that Obama was going to team up with Mark Warner, former governor of VA as his VP candidate. That would have been absolutely perfect, in my opinion... however I think it was just a rumor and might not actually be true...
I'm a Kucinich man in the Primaries. Gotta show the dems the direction. Probably won't vote in the general. To vote for someone I can't get behind is throwing my vote away. All else is condoning the status quo in my humble opinion.
Post by spookymonster on Jul 19, 2007 10:11:28 GMT -5
Hmm.... now that I think about it a little more, this just might be the magic formula the Dems are looking for:
- Gore for pres - Hillary for VP (to toss the special interest groups a bone) - Gore announces his plans to draft Obama in his cabinet, possibly even as Secretary of State or maybe Senior Advisor (assuming he doesn't tear down the wall of bureaucracy GWB threw up to safeguard him from ever having to be held accountable/employ all his drinking buddies).
I've voted for 4 different parties in presidential elections (Dem, Rep, Libertarian, Green. Man, am I all over the board)
I would NEVER vote for a Republican in the '08 election. It would just seem too much like an endorsement of this administration (unless the Rep candidate comes out and seriously bashes Bush, Not likely) .
Hillary is WAY too much of the establishmant candidate so I can't support her. Edwards and Obama are acceptable but I'm not overwhelmed. Kucinich and Paul are the only candidates telling the truth which is why they have no chance.
I'll say it again, We should be in the streets!
BTW I think Gore isn't running because he feels he owes the Clinton's for making him VP and so is giving Hillary a chance. Just MHO.
I think Edwards/Obama is the best ticket that has any real chance.
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Post by chicagorooer on Jul 19, 2007 10:16:26 GMT -5
want to see if Obama can get things done lets all see. He is currently a senator for the great state of Illinois and the congress can't pass a budget to save there lifes.....this is a big issues in illinois and not having budget is having negative effects. this is Obamas time to shine to show at a state level he can lead and pull both parties together to get things done. However he is nowhere.......He has done zero in this battle in springfield.. ...he might be a canidate of the future but if he can't do nuts at state level how can he do nuts in the presidents chair??....if u like obama here is a chance for u to watch him in action (or no action) we'll see
Post by canexplain on Jul 19, 2007 10:27:44 GMT -5
troo said:
I've voted for 4 different parties in presidential elections (Dem, Rep, Libertarian, Green. Man, am I all over the board)
I would NEVER vote for a Republican in the '08 election. It would just seem too much like an endorsement of this administration (unless the Rep candidate comes out and seriously bashes Bush, Not likely) .
Hillary is WAY too much of the establishmant candidate so I can't support her. Edwards and Obama are acceptable but I'm not overwhelmed. Kucinich and Paul are the only candidates telling the truth which is why they have no chance.
I'll say it again, We should be in the streets!
BTW I think Gore isn't running because he feels he owes the Clinton's for making him VP and so is giving Hillary a chance. Just MHO.
I think Edwards/Obama is the best ticket that has any real chance.
if you really want to hit the streets, come to denver for the dnc next summer .... i really think there will be riots .... c ya there ... cr****
I'll be interested to see what happens. The DNC and RNC have countered demonstrations by isolating protestors to what the RNC called "Free Speech Areas" (how's that for Orwellian/Bush speech)
I remember the Rep convention cordoned off an entire section of NY for the '04 convention so there would be no chance of interaction between delegates and the public. At least the Dems in Boston could see and speak to each other (thru a fence). I was in Boston and it was sad but not like the RNC/NY situation.
BTW Bush is in Nashville today and I thought of holding a sign but we are kept so far from any area where he will be it is meaningless.
Gandhi said that protest must be designed to provoke a response or they are meaningless. The establishment is doing their best to render protests ineffective by isolating them (and the press is cooperating) so untill we get MASSIVE protests where people refuse to be ignored, we will be ignored.
PS. I'll see you there, snooch
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Post by peacelover on Jul 19, 2007 10:42:38 GMT -5
maybe our a$$hole governor needs to get his a$$ out of chicago and get to springfield where he belongs then we wouldn't need our US State senator to step in
Post by chicagorooer on Jul 19, 2007 11:32:08 GMT -5
peacelover said:
maybe our a$$hole governor needs to get his a$$ out of chicago and get to springfield where he belongs then we wouldn't need our US State senator to step in
Obama should woop him into shape...instead he's running for prez
Blago does suck really bad and he is a dem..but the republicans suck pretty bad in illinois as well..
ok - the Cindy Sheehan talk has scared me off - that woman is nuts - I am now taking my toys and retreating to less controversial threads! Thanks for having me here guys!
Post by chicagorooer on Jul 19, 2007 13:12:34 GMT -5
snoochio said:
Having your son killed in an unjust war put on by rich folk whose sons never have to die will do that to a mother. I call it passion !
Love ya Meg ! Left a recipe for your daughter in That Tent.
Unjust to who??. That womens son died in honor and I and many millions of americans love and support him. Those who still fight and for those that have passed. It's sad this guys memory has to be linked with her political rhetoric. The family doesn't support cindy and her views and either did her son. she needs to let him R.I.P.
Post by sparklybecca on Jul 19, 2007 13:13:17 GMT -5
chicagorooer said:
snoochio said:
Having your son killed in an unjust war put on by rich folk whose sons never have to die will do that to a mother. I call it passion !
Love ya Meg ! Left a recipe for your daughter in That Tent.
Unjust to who??. That womens son died in honor and I and many millions of americans love and support him. Those who still fight and for those that have passed. It's sad this guys memory has to be linked with her political rhetoric. The family doesn't upport cindy and her views and either did her son. she needs to let him R.I.P.
hes saying the war is unjust. not the men who fought / fight in it.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 19, 2007 13:14:38 GMT -5
chicagorooer said:
snoochio said:
Having your son killed in an unjust war put on by rich folk whose sons never have to die will do that to a mother. I call it passion !
Love ya Meg ! Left a recipe for your daughter in That Tent.
Unjust to who??. That womens son died in honor and I and many millions of americans love and support him. Those who still fight and for those that have passed. It's sad this guys memory has to be linked with her political rhetoric. The family doesn't support cindy and her views and either did her son. she needs to let him R.I.P.
Unjust to who??. That womens son died in honor and I and many millions of americans love and support him. Those who still fight and for those that have passed. It's sad this guys memory has to be linked with her political rhetoric. The family doesn't support cindy and her views and either did her son. she needs to let him R.I.P.
CR you know you cannot speak for what her son did and did not support. She has a much better idea what he would have wanted than any of us.
You also cannot link the honor of the men who fight with the justness of the cause.. Soldiers fight because their country asks it of them. Politicians, and we by proxy, decide the mission.
Post by chicagorooer on Jul 19, 2007 13:18:05 GMT -5
sparklybecca said:
chicagorooer said:
Unjust to who??. That womens son died in honor and I and many millions of americans love and support him. Those who still fight and for those that have passed. It's sad this guys memory has to be linked with her political rhetoric. The family doesn't upport cindy and her views and either did her son. she needs to let him R.I.P.
hes saying the war is unjust. not the men who fought / fight in it.
so the war is unjust but the soldiers he supports ....How can u respect what the troops do during the war but are against them being there...sounds like a way to be politically correct if u ask me.
Post by chicagorooer on Jul 19, 2007 13:20:04 GMT -5
troo said:
CR you know you cannot speak for what her son did and did not support. She has a much better idea what he would have wanted than any of us.
You also cannot link the honor of the men who fight with the justness of the cause.. Soldiers fight because their country asks it of them. Politicians, and we by proxy, decide the mission.
his father has done many interviews and so has his family and they have also interiviewd the people he served with....it was clear he believed and support the cause...i don;t speak for him his family did....where is cindy's family when she goes on these ploitical rants?.....that should tell you
^^^actually - it is not that hard to support a soldier doing his job for his country and not support the war - there are thousands of soldiers over there that are doing their jobs like they are ordered to and they do not personally support the war - they are doing their job - the one they signed on to do - whether they support the cause or not.
That is how you can support a soldier yet not support the war they are fighting.
If you cannot understand that or see that - then you are part of the current problem in this country. There are millions of people who support soldiers - by helping their families while they are gone, caring for children - but that does not mean they have to support the damn war that the politicians got us involved in and refuse to get us out of - and that's the bottom line - you don't have to agree with - I don't give a shit if you do or not -
but how dare you say that youhave to support a war in order to support the soldiers. I work at a VA Medical Center and hate the fucking war - but I damn sure do support my soldiers every single damn day.
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Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 19, 2007 13:25:09 GMT -5
chicagorooer said:
so the war is unjust but the soldiers he supports ....How can u respect what the troops do during the war but are against them being there...sounds like a way to be politically correct if u ask me.
Perfect Example: A roommate of mine 2 years ago joined the army, he decided this while we were rooming together. I asked him if he was sure he wanted to join the army knowing that he was surely gonna end up in the combat zone for enlisting and his response was "I'm so damn tired of this pointless war, I just have to go over there and help put an end to it"
He doesn't support the war, but he does what he can to try and resolve it.
THAT, my friend, is why I support the troops and not the war.
). Other than that, she's exactly what the Democratic party doesn't need - another populist candidate pandering flavor-of-the-month promises to every special interest group under the Democratic banner. Obama's got charisma, and his rhetoric has the greatest potential to unify a disorganized party, but I don't think he can win - we're still too hung up on race in this country. Edwards is just too blah, but seems to have a genuine interest in political change.
