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Damn that ending to hell...Que "sad trumbome": GWAahh-Gwahh-GUWAAaaAAH! As per the Final BB episode. I'm satisfied, I thought it was awesome and tied up pretty much everything. Compared to the ending of Lost, The Sopranos,
The resolution to the final showdown with Jack's crew did require a heaping spoonful of suspended disbelief, the gun was strafing the room at a leisurely pace, you'd think more of the guys would've hit the deck the second they saw the other side of the room getting chewed to pieces with gun fire. Also that Todd didn't immediately seem to comprehend that Walt was responsible. Neither of those things bothered me enough to feel cheated by that scene. The last seconds of Jack were fantastic.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Oct 2, 2013 9:24:05 GMT -5
I loved how they explained the watch removal was just them sticking to continuity because when they shot the flash-forward Walt wasn't wearing it. So they had to do it lol.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Oct 2, 2013 12:24:41 GMT -5
I don't agree with this theory but it's certainly interesting to think about:
Norm MacDonald has been tweeting up a storm about the Breaking Bad finale this morning, specifically how he feels that the whole thing — what we all saw play out on our televisions — was a Walter White fantasy, a fantasy that starts in the snow-covered Volvo.
That said, while I still feel that the finale that aired on Sunday night was perfect, Norm’s tweeting got me to thinking about it, so much so that I decided to go back and watch the opening scene from that episode again, and now I can’t seem to stop thinking about it. (The episode is available for download on Amazon for $2.99 if any of you feel similarly inspired after reading this post.)
First, the tweets: Norm’s thoughts on the finale are scattered (imagine that) and interrupted by retweets and replies, but I’ve taken screengrabs of what I feel are the ones essential to making his point about this fantasy theory and embedded them below.
So here’s what I noticed when I, curiosity stoked by Norm’s tweeting, re-watched the opening scene earlier: at about a minute and a half in, there’s a shot where we see Walter in the process of trying to hotwire the car with a screwdriver he found in the glove compartment. In his somewhat frantic attempt to do this, he hurts his hand, and bellows “Ahhhhh!” in pain. Now, for this shot the camera is positioned down where the floorboard of the car would be, and after Walt hurts his hand he falls back into the seat and is briefly out of view of the camera. A couple of seconds later we see him again, with a camera shot focused on his face, and from that moment forward everything seems to go exactly as Walter White would want things to go, which, of course, makes me think there may be something to this theory. His “just get me home” prayer is immediately on its way to being answered as the cops leave without checking to see if one of the most wanted men in America is hiding in that car, a set of keys falls magically from the overhead visor, and the car starts without a hitch despite the fact that it’s apparently been sitting for a while in a freezing environment — and things continue to go swimmingly from there. In reality, this theory holds that Walt either died in that car or the cops found him there and arrested him (or killed him). What we see is how Walt’s sick mind hoped things would go if everything went according to plan.
In her review of the finale for the New Yorker, Emily Nussbaum posited a similar theory:
From my perspective, at least as I write, shortly after the finale aired, if this episode in fact took place in reality, it was troubling, and yes, disappointing, if only because the story ended by confirming Walt’s most grandiose notions: that he is, in fact, all-powerful, the smartest guy in the room, the one who knocks. Anyone other than Walt becomes a mere reflection of this journey to redemption. (With the exception of Jesse, who had the most mysterious scene: a poetic fugue of his own, in which he created what felt like a small coffin.*) It’s not that Walt needed to suffer, necessarily, for the show’s finale to be challenging, or original, or meaningful: but Walt succeeded with so little true friction—maintaining his legend, reconciling with family, avenging Hank, freeing Jesse, all genuine evil off-loaded onto other, badder bad guys—that it felt quite unlike the destabilizing series that I’d been watching for years. If, instead, we were watching Walt’s compensatory fantasy, it was a fascinating glimpse into the man’s mind—akin to the one in the movie “Mulholland Drive,” a poignant, tragic attempt to fix a life that is unfixable.
Something to think about, I guess. I dare you to watch the opening scene again and not be at least somewhat taken by the possibilities here.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Oct 2, 2013 12:57:09 GMT -5
It makes sense to a point. As far as Walt knows, Jesse is dead so I don't think he would include him in this fantasy in Jesse's. It could be argued that he gets the idea Jesse is still alive after the Charlie Rose interview but it seems more like he knows it after talking to Badger and Skinny Pete and confirming the quality of the meth.
But it does make a ton of sense overall and it's an interesting take. I love fan theories about things like TV shows and movies.
It makes sense to a point. As far as Walt knows, Jesse is dead so I don't think he would include him in this fantasy in Jesse's. It could be argued that he gets the idea Jesse is still alive after the Charlie Rose interview but it seems more like he knows it after talking to Badger and Skinny Pete and confirming the quality of the meth.
But it does make a ton of sense overall and it's an interesting take. I love fan theories about things like TV shows and movies.
Totally. Like the whole "is Walt redeemable?" conversation, it is so fascinating to see how another person the exact same show as you and interprets it in a way that you never would.
Post by bansheebeat on Oct 2, 2013 17:18:58 GMT -5
I'm now not only questioning the finale but all of reality. It's a super interesting theory, but I really don't see that as something VG would do, especially with how much he talked about giving us a very unambiguous and definitive ending. Idk, it's really covincing though!
I'm now not only questioning the finale but all of reality. It's a super interesting theory, but I really don't see that as something VG would do, especially with how much he talked about giving us a very unambiguous and definitive ending. Idk, it's really covincing though!
Vince Gilligan made it pretty clear, based off discussion on Talking Bad, that the ending we got was what really happened, but the whole Norm Mcdonald thing is just funny because it shows you how every ending, no matter how definitive can be open-ended.
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Interesting but I don't see how Walt's fantasy could include knowing Jesse's situation. And I think that getting ricin into a Stevia packet wouldn't be too difficult for Walt.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Oct 11, 2013 23:11:57 GMT -5
Let's hope this video stays up a little longer. It's the woodworking scene where Jesse talks about making the box with the fantasy/flashback scene from Felina mixed in.
Not even Huell is slick enough to pickpocket an Inforoo t-shirt.
My family's in Santa Fe this month, but we ran down to Albuquerque Friday for the Balloon Fiesta. Had to drop by the John B. Roberts dam while we were there.
Dear Mister Cranston. I wanted to write you this email - so I am contacting you through Jeremy Barber - I take it we are both represented by UTA. Great agency.
I've just finished a marathon of watching "BREAKING BAD" - from episode one of the First Season - to the last eight episodes of the Sixth Season. [Ed note: There are in fact five seasons of Breaking Bad; this might have been wishful thinking.] (I downloaded the last season on AMAZON) A total of two weeks (addictive) viewing.
I have never watched anything like it. Brilliant!
Your performance as Walter White was the best acting I have seen - ever.
I know there is so much smoke blowing and sickening bullshit in this business, and I've sort of lost belief in anything really.
But this work of yours is spectacular - absolutely stunning. What is extraordinary, is the sheer power of everyone in the entire production. What was it? Five or six years in the making? How the producers (yourself being one of them), the writers, directors, cinematographers.... every department - casting etc. managed to keep the discipline and control from beginning to the end is (that over used word) awesome.
From what started as a black comedy, descended into a labyrinth of blood, destruction and hell. It was like a great Jacobean, Shakespearian or Greek Tragedy.
If you ever get a chance to - would you pass on my admiration to everyone - Anna Gunn, Dean Norris, Aaron Paul, Betsy Brandt, R.J. Mitte, Bob Odenkirk, Jonathan Banks, Steven Michael Quezada - everyone - everyone gave master classes of performance ... The list is endless.
Thank you. That kind of work/artistry is rare, and when, once in a while, it occurs, as in this epic work, it restores confidence.
You and all the cast are the best actors I've ever seen.
That may sound like a good lung full of smoke blowing. But it is not. It's almost midnight out here in Malibu, and I felt compelled to write this email.
Congratulations and my deepest respect. You are truly a great, great actor.
Aaaand for the last two days, I've read through this entire thread at work. It's absolutely fantastic to have watched the entire series, then go back and read everyone's theories and reactions to the episodes. I had the list of episodes pulled up by air date on Wikipedia so I could make sure I knew which episodes people were referencing.
Kudos to you all who had to wait between season breaks and episodes! I've finally convinced Chris to watch it and I'm excited to hear his thoughts and try my damndest not to let any cats out of the bag
