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Here's a fun interpretation that I'm sure will peak the interest of some of you guys.
The warmest monkey is Mark E. Smith, who is apparently on the new Gorillaz album. His "off spring" is The Fall. Autumn is "off spring" and the Fall are Smith's life long project that has featured rotating members for decades.
The part that doesn't work for me is why he's the warmest. Oh and the unlikelihood that Bonnaroo would book them.
I fail to see where "his offspring" works in when you look at that as a Pixies angle. Plus, that monkey goes to heaven and not the other, warmer place.
I know but I'm SO eager to make it work, huh? haha!
Post by threebboyz on Jan 17, 2010 23:37:19 GMT -5
Ok so I kinda ran with a couple ideas I read...
Found this on Wiki...
Tweeter and the Monkey Man" is a song by rock music supergroup The Traveling Wilburys that first appeared on the 1988 album Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1. The songwriting credit is to all members of the band; however, it is published by Bob Dylan's Special Rider Music, revealing him as the main writer. Dylan also sings lead on the song's verses (with the rest of the group joining in on the chorus sections). At five verses in 5 minutes 27 seconds, "Tweeter and the Monkey Man" is the longest Traveling Wilburys song put to record.
Ok so we have a Bruce reference which in my mind would be a funny twist on the clue...
and I looked up the lyrics to the song.. look at the last verse if not the whole thing...
Tweeter and the Monkey Man were hard up for cash They stayed up all night selling cocaine and hash To an undercover cop who had a sister named Jan For reasons unexplained she loved the Monkey Man
Tweeter was a boy scout before she went to Vietnam And found out the hard way nobody gives a damn They knew that they found freedom just across the Jersey Line So they hopped into a stolen car, took Highway 99
And the walls came down, all the way to hell Never saw them when they're standing, never saw them when they fell
The undercover cop never liked the Monkey Man Even back in childhood he wanted to see him in the can Jan got married at fourteen to a racketeer named Bill She made secret calls to the Monkey Man from a mansion on the hill
It was out on Thunder Road, Tweeter at the wheel They crashed into paradise, they could hear them tires squeal The undercover cop pulled up and said "Everyone of you's a liar If you don't surrender now, it's gonna go down to the wire
And the walls came down, all the way to hell Never saw them when they're standing, never saw them when they fell
An ambulance rolled up, a state trooper close behind Tweeter took his gun away and messed up his mind The undercover cop was left tied up to a tree Near the souvenir stand by the old abandoned factory
Next day the undercover cop was hot in pursuit He was taking the whole thing personal, he didn't care about the loot Jan had told him many times it was you to me who taught In Jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught
And the walls came down, all the way to hell Never saw them when they're standing, never saw them when they fell
Someplace by Rahway Prison they ran out of gas The undercover cop had cornered them said "Boy, you didn't think that this could last" Jan jumped out of the bed, said "There's someplace I gotta go" She took a gun out of the drawer and said "It's best if you don't know"
The undercover cop was found face down in a field The monkey man was on the river bridge using Tweeter as a shield Jan said to the Monkey Man, "I'm not fooled by Tweeter's curl I knew him long before he ever became a Jersey girl"
And the walls came down, all the way to hell Never saw them when they're standing, never saw them when they fell
Now the town of Jersey City is quieting down again I'm sitting in a gambling club called the Lion's Den The TV set been blown up, every bit of it is gone Ever since the nightly news show that the Monkey Man was on
I guess I'll go to Florida and get myself some sun There ain't no more opportunity here, everything's been done Sometime I think of Tweeter, sometime I think of Jan Sometime I don't think about nothing but the Monkey Man
And the walls came down, all the way to hell Never saw them when they're standing, never saw them when they fell
And the walls came down, all the way to hell Never saw them when they're standing, never saw them when they fell
Post by threebboyz on Jan 17, 2010 23:45:26 GMT -5
here is the Springsteen reference that I forgot to include... (from wiki)
The lyrics of the song tell the gritty story of the title characters — two drug dealers named Tweeter and The Monkey Man - their nemesis the "Undercover Cop," and the Undercover Cop's sister, Jan.
Tweeter and The Monkey Man is sometimes regarded as a playful homage to Bruce Springsteen's songs. The lyrics include the titles of many Springsteen songs, and the song borrows many of Springsteen's themes and settings. For instance, the setting of the song itself is New Jersey, Springsteen's home state, and places like Rahway Prison and Jersey City are mentioned by name. Springsteen song title references include: "Stolen Car", "Mansion On The Hill", "Thunder Road", "State Trooper", "Factory", "The River", and the song made popular by Springsteen but written by Tom Waits, "Jersey Girl". Additionally, "Lion's Den" and "Paradise" are each mentioned and prominently enunciated in the song, each being the title of a Springsteen song released after the Traveling Wilburys album.
and then it gets better when you realize who the traveling wilburys are
Traveling Wilburys were a late 1980s supergroup consisting of George Harrison, Jeff Lynne, Roy Orbison, Tom Petty and Bob Dylan.[1] The band recorded two albums during the two years they were together. "Wilburys" was a slang term coined by Harrison and Lynne during the recording of Cloud Nine as a pet name for various types of equipment in the recording studio; Harrison, referring to errors caused by malfunctioning equipment, jokingly remarked to Lynne: "We'll bury 'em in the mix".[1][2] The term was used again when the entire group was together. Harrison suggested "The Trembling Wilburys" as the group's name; instead, Lynne suggested "Traveling", which was agreed on by the group.[1] The American spelling of "Traveling" rather than the British spelling "Travelling" was used because the band started in the US and consisted of three Americans and only two Britons.
But then you wiki the wallflowers and see this in the (present 2007-2010) section..
The Wallflowers recently announced the impending release of a Greatest Hits record on their MySpace page. They will embark on a nationwide tour to support the release, which will include two unreleased tracks. The band also announced that Rami Jaffee and Stuart Mathis will be returning for this tour. These will be Jaffee's first shows with the band since the Summer of 2005.The bands website has recently stated that producer Bill Appleberry will join them on tour to play keyboards making no mention of Rami Jaffee as it had previously reported.
I fail to see where "his offspring" works in when you look at that as a Pixies angle. Plus, that monkey goes to heaven and not the other, warmer place.
I know but I'm SO eager to make it work, huh? haha!
I am extremely eager to make it work. I just caught the Doolittle 20th anniversary tour for what was my 10th Pixies show a couple months ago.
If I could make this into a Pixies clue, believe me, I'd do it.
Post by kkrrissttinnaa on Jan 18, 2010 1:22:38 GMT -5
kdogg- not trying to derail the thread, but where'd you see them? i saw them in nyc, and they didn't even play gigantic during the encore, and it was my first time seeing them, and i was so disappointed that they played wave of mutilation twice and not even my favorite pixies song and i'm sorry this is so offtopic
SO on topic: so far, I think the guesses that make the most sense are Arcade Fire and Primus. Some of them are a little too obvious, like the Curious George related ones and the Gorillaz ones (though I reallllly wish this clue could pertain to Damon Albarn, I really do). I'm gonna stack my money on one of those two.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2010 1:27:04 GMT -5
I don't see how the Jakob Dylan thing makes any sense at all. Bob Dylan cowrote a song that happened to involve the word "monkey" and you're working from there? That's quite a stretch. I'm sure there are hundreds/thousands/whatever songs that use the word "monkey." Am I missing something?
I don't see how the Jakob Dylan thing makes any sense at all. Bob Dylan cowrote a song that happened to involve the word "monkey" and you're working from there? That's quite a stretch. I'm sure there are hundreds/thousands/whatever songs that use the word "monkey." Am I missing something?
Dylan wrote and sings vocals. The song is an homage to Bruce Springsteen (last years headliner) The song features 2 criminals... tweeter and monkey man... presumably springsteen and dylan respectively.
The last verse details the Monkey Man moving to Florida to be in the sun. then the chorus has references to hell..
If Dylan is the the one warmest monkey (man).. his offspring is Jakob and voila... combine that with the fact that both Bob and the wallflowers are touring or are about to tour... and you have a solid guess..
Why not base the clue on a song that this years headliner wrote, about last years headliner?? Brilliant....
I think we either haven't guessed the answer yet or we have guessed it but haven't connected it to the clue correct. We haven't really come up with anything that uses the whole clue.
I think we either haven't guessed the answer yet or we have guessed it but haven't connected it to the clue correct. We haven't really come up with anything that uses the whole clue.
I'm sort of inclined to agree...we have come up with things that KIND OF use the whole clue, but to me none more so than others. The only answers we have that really do seem to fit the clue, the same reasoning could be applied to multiple answers so it doesn't really seem conclusive.
Although I do think it's quite possible we've mentioned the answer and just didn't get the connection that DJ JD intended, like you said.
^^ooooh, I think M. Ward for maternity ward is a great connection, but I don't see how the monkey part refers to Jim James (besides the fact that they're both very hairy creatures).
Also, I'm sadly thinking that Monsters of Folk is becoming less and less likely by the day.
kdogg- not trying to derail the thread, but where'd you see them? i saw them in nyc, and they didn't even play gigantic during the encore, and it was my first time seeing them, and i was so disappointed that they played wave of mutilation twice and not even my favorite pixies song and i'm sorry this is so offtopic
Aragon Ballroom, Chicago, about a week before Thanksgiving. I'm assuming the sets we saw were alike up through the handful of songs after the Doolittle set. Show I went to had Isla de Encanta - which I remember being the only Surfer Rosa tune, something else I can't recall, then U-Mass going into the closer Velouria. I thought Velouria was kind of underwhelming in the wake of U-Mass... but then again, what isn't?
Since they were playing all of the album and its bsides, it makes sense that they'd play WoM twice - the slow version was a b-side. You probably wouldn't have been eating it up like I was when they played it three times for whatever reason in a single show.
As for some thoughts I had on the clue, but didn't previously share... The clue does mention the monkey that was warmest. I emphasize past tense, because that's how one would discuss a dead monkey. Maybe there's something to the "if man is five... then God is seven" part having to do with man being the offspring of God? That's all I've got connecting the Pixies to this clue. Also, Doolittle - the album they've been playing in its entirety on their current tour - prominently features a monkey on the album cover:
In the never ending attempt to make this clue apply to every band on earth, I worked with the "warmest" part of the clue. In the warmer-colder game, warmest = closest. Google "closest monkey wiki" and the 1st return is the wiki article for the Bonobo. If Bono is a monkey, his "offspring" metaphorically are human; the other members in the band. Yeah, yeah, they're too big to be the answer to the 1st clue, and they're not playing anyway, but they fit without too much stretching. I still think Arcade Fire or Les Claypool are the best bet so far, but there are 5, 6 or 7 good contenders. Take your Pix. Some of our guesses *were* the warmest, but now are colder. Feels like this band of monkeys has gone north. More fun than a barrel full o' monkeys. So, I went searching at the bottom of the barrel, thinking that's where the warmest monkey would hang out. Amos Lee was down there, but was buried beneath all the clues. I'm starting to think this "one" clue is all that's needed to guess every band in the 2010 lineup. Last one for now - Ray Davies was born June 21st, summer solstice, start of summer; longest day in the northern hemisphere. (He's also named "Ray.") This is the day spring is turned off. The Kinks have a hit, "Apeman."
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Post by hawking508 on Jan 18, 2010 10:11:55 GMT -5
As far as the Monsters Of Folk idea, I suggested that a few pages back, but with the idea that Bright Eyes was a nickname for a character in Planet of the Apes, so you can add Conor Oberst
This may be a real stretch, but Frank Zappa appeared in the Monkees movie "Head", and also did a skit with Michael Nesmith (the warmest Monkee?) in an episode called "The Monkees Blow Their Minds" where they dressed like each other...Frank's offspring, Dweezil...
He's talking about natural selection. The warmest monkey is the one who was most likely to survive and therefore reproduce. That monkey and his offspring are what formed all the generations of humans. Small band, I know, but I doubt the first clue would be anything major ie. I doubt they'd hint at headliners right away.
