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Post by awolfatthedoor on Mar 4, 2010 15:44:51 GMT -5
Alfonso Soriano of 8 years/$136M (2007-14) 8 years/$136M (2007-14) signed by Cubs as a free agent 11/06 $8M signing bonus 07:$9M, 08:$13M, 09:$16M, 10-14:$18M annually full no-trade clause award bonuses: $0.25M for top vote-getter
2009: -.7 WAR (He was worth exactly -3.2 million to the team on the field)
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Granderson was a good pick up, we'll see about repeating though.
I actually haven't been in love with our offseason. I would've made a play for Lackey instead of bringing Vazquez back. And Johnny Damon is a bit long in the tooth, but he's been a huge bat in our lineup ever since we signed him. But Grandy should give us some speed and a solid glove.
As a Notre Dame football fan, I'm excited to see what Samardzija does for your Cubbies over the course of a full year. And if Zambrano wasn't such a head case, I think he'd be a top 3 starting pitcher.
6/18: Phish in Hartford 6/25: Phish in Camden 7/2-7/4: Nateva 7/17: God Street Wine at Irving Plaza 7/23-7/25: String Cheese at Red Rocks!! 8/17-8/18: Phish at Jones Beach 9/3: Rush at PNC
This Bonnaroo lineup is in dire need of some Rush.
Alfonso Soriano of 8 years/$136M (2007-14) 8 years/$136M (2007-14) signed by Cubs as a free agent 11/06 $8M signing bonus 07:$9M, 08:$13M, 09:$16M, 10-14:$18M annually full no-trade clause award bonuses: $0.25M for top vote-getter
2009: -.7 WAR (He was worth exactly -3.2 million to the team on the field)
sounds about right. but at least I get to see Wrigley as much as I want, even if it only breaks my heart.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 4, 2010 18:04:04 GMT -5
Damon is a little better at making contact than Granderson, but Granderson is definitely an upgrade. 30 hr's last year, just imagine what type of power numbers he can put up in this lineup and park. I am actually not a huge Lackey fan, if I remember correctly he was not very good in the playoffs last year. He's a no 2 at his best, Vasquez at his best is an ace. If Vasquez pitches like he did last year that squad is going to just overpower people. Three guys at the top with 200+k potential, with another at the back end if Joba is in the rotation.
In terms of talent, I think he could be. He's had starts where he's shown that he can be flat out dominant and he has some of the most overpowering stuff in the bigs. Fact. But then he'll take the mound and get absolutely lit up. And both of those scenarios have happened often enough for him to be maddeningly inconsistent. It seems like he just doesn't have it all together upstairs.
Damon is a little better at making contact than Granderson, but Granderson is definitely an upgrade. 30 hr's last year, just imagine what type of power numbers he can put up in this lineup and park. I am actually not a huge Lackey fan, if I remember correctly he was not very good in the playoffs last year. He's a no 2 at his best, Vasquez at his best is an ace. If Vasquez pitches like he did last year that squad is going to just overpower people. Three guys at the top with 200+k potential, with another at the back end if Joba is in the rotation.
I don't dislike Vazquez. He put up some very good #'s last year, but pitching in the AL East is a different animal. He was an all-star with the Yanks that one season, but his numbers still weren't all that great (4.91 ERA on the year) and he got shelled in the postseason. That grand slam he served up to Damon was absolutely soul-crushing. His numbers pitching in the NL (Expos and Braves) are way better than his numbers pitching in the AL (Yanks and ChiSox), which should be expected to some extent, but we've already tried the Vazquez experiment and it wasn't all that great.
Lackey has always pitched well against the Yankees and now we're going to have to deal with him a lot more this year. Javier's a strikeout machine, but I think he's more hittable than Lackey. Still, our rotation, whether Joba or Hughes gets the 5th spot, should be relatively strong.
6/18: Phish in Hartford 6/25: Phish in Camden 7/2-7/4: Nateva 7/17: God Street Wine at Irving Plaza 7/23-7/25: String Cheese at Red Rocks!! 8/17-8/18: Phish at Jones Beach 9/3: Rush at PNC
This Bonnaroo lineup is in dire need of some Rush.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Mar 5, 2010 10:20:15 GMT -5
Off the top of my head Linecum, Greinke, Verlander, and King Felix are clearly more dominating than Zambrano ever was. But there are probably at least thirty pitchers I rather have on my team in 10 than Zambrano. He's a two at best now.
Post by pimpmcgeorge on Mar 5, 2010 10:50:07 GMT -5
Oh I couldn't agree more, I wouldn't go anywhere near Zambrano. I meant in terms of his "stuff," there's not many pitchers ahead of him. He's got a fastball that hits high-90's, a plus sinker, a plus slider, a decent changeup, and a cutter that absolutely bites when he's on. Not to mention he can pitch effectively from a number of arm angles. Like I said, his problem is from his shoulders up.
6/18: Phish in Hartford 6/25: Phish in Camden 7/2-7/4: Nateva 7/17: God Street Wine at Irving Plaza 7/23-7/25: String Cheese at Red Rocks!! 8/17-8/18: Phish at Jones Beach 9/3: Rush at PNC
This Bonnaroo lineup is in dire need of some Rush.
I don't dislike Vazquez. He put up some very good #'s last year, but pitching in the AL East is a different animal. He was an all-star with the Yanks that one season, but his numbers still weren't all that great (4.91 ERA on the year) and he got shelled in the postseason. That grand slam he served up to Damon was absolutely soul-crushing. His numbers pitching in the NL (Expos and Braves) are way better than his numbers pitching in the AL (Yanks and ChiSox), which should be expected to some extent, but we've already tried the Vazquez experiment and it wasn't all that great.
I think the big thing with Vazquez is mental. If I remember correctly when he went to the all-star game that season he was pitching lights out before the game, but then totally fell apart in the second half of the season and postseason. He has the skill to pitch well with the Yankees, and hopefully not having to be a number 1 or 2 guy will help with some of the pressure that seems to have gotten to him last time around. John Lackey would have been more of a known commodity, Vazquez is more of a risk. He could go out for over 200 innings and give you a sub 3 era and possibly win 20 games, or he could give you closer to an era of 5. Lackey is probably going to be an innings eater and give you around 4 either way and win 15 games. Yankees were in a place where they probably felt comfortable taking the risk .They don't need Vazquez to win another world series.
Post by z28goalieman on Mar 5, 2010 15:54:23 GMT -5
I don't think Granderson is an upgrade over Damon. In the field yes definitely, but even I could corral pops flys in a little league park that is Yankee stadium. Look up Granderson's numbers against lefties, he's going to end up hitting low in the order, with Nick Johnson taking over #2 for Damon.
I agree both the Phils and Yanks are the teams to beat in their respective leagues, even though as a Met fan it pains me to say it.
I don't think Granderson is an upgrade over Damon. In the field yes definitely, but even I could corral pops flys in a little league park that is Yankee stadium. Look up Granderson's numbers against lefties, he's going to end up hitting low in the order, with Nick Johnson taking over #2 for Damon.
I don't think he is either. In addition to his woes against lefties, Grandy also has some strikeout issues, I believe. And Nick Johnson is a strong gust of wind away from a stint on the 60-day DL. It's inevitable.
6/18: Phish in Hartford 6/25: Phish in Camden 7/2-7/4: Nateva 7/17: God Street Wine at Irving Plaza 7/23-7/25: String Cheese at Red Rocks!! 8/17-8/18: Phish at Jones Beach 9/3: Rush at PNC
This Bonnaroo lineup is in dire need of some Rush.
And NoD Greinke may be more of a headcase, but I was speaking in terms of Zambrano not being top 3 most talented. And still my point remains that I could picks 30 pitchers I would rather have for next year.
I was just looking at Granderson's stats, and I'm not really sure if '07 was his breakout year, or if it was inflated by luck. I'm guessing his true talent levels is closer to 08 and 09 than 07. And Johnson would be an awesome addition, if they gave him HGH between innings to keep him healthy.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 6, 2010 15:30:36 GMT -5
Seems like strange logic to me as well^. AJ Burnett's curveball ends up in the dirt half the time, but its one of the best curveballs in baseball. I suppose I can see trying to focus on throwing fewer pitches more effectively, but I think the cutter is generally seen as one of the more effective pitches to have in one's arsenal. Dan Haren credited a lot of his success last year to the addition of the cutter, and we have seen what Mariano has done his whole career with basically just the cutter. That said, I'm sure Carlos Zambrano knows better than all of us, so I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were a Cubs fan.
6/18: Phish in Hartford 6/25: Phish in Camden 7/2-7/4: Nateva 7/17: God Street Wine at Irving Plaza 7/23-7/25: String Cheese at Red Rocks!! 8/17-8/18: Phish at Jones Beach 9/3: Rush at PNC
This Bonnaroo lineup is in dire need of some Rush.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 8, 2010 16:38:10 GMT -5
Other than not being able to go on 3 days rest Cliff Lee was the best pitcher in the playoffs last year. I think the move for Halladay was a lateral one at best. Cliff Lee is a proven commodity in the playoffs. Now if they would have kept Lee even as a Yankees fan I would probably have to say the Phillies would be the favorites heading in with the Yankees right behind them. As it stands I still have the Yankees as the favorites to win over the Phillies.
A measley 9 million is all that stood between the Phils and having arguably the best starting rotation in baseball. I understand why they had to move Lee, but man I wish they could have kept him around for just one season, that would've been something special. Hopefully Hamels returns to form this season, in which case they'll still have one of the best 1-2 punches around. Then with Blanton, Happ and likely Kendrick filling out the rest, the rotation still won't be too shabby.
Lidge and other questions in the bullpen are what worry me...
Post by awolfatthedoor on Mar 9, 2010 0:06:29 GMT -5
They would have gotten nothing out of Lee if they kept him this season besides a Type A arbitration compensation. So it's more like 9 million plus all the prospects they got from the Mariners.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 9, 2010 0:32:02 GMT -5
If you polled 100 people from Philly 99 of them would say they rather have World Series win this year than 2 prospects. I understand planning for the future, but there has to be a time when you focus on the now if you're gonna win it.
Edit: It goes back to known commodities. You have a known commodity in Cliff Lee and he's a World Series caliber player, those prospects could end up being nothing.
