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I hope the Rangers can go all the way, but I probably won’t check back into baseball until the Orioles have a chance to disappoint the shit outta their fans again!
1 of the 4 to advance isn't a good argument to defend this... not to mention last year.
if it's the same one this year, and 2 of the other 3 maybe it's not a playoff problem?
braves had a losing record v the Phil's regular season '22 and '23 and couldn't beat them either year.
dodgers had a losing record v the D backs this regular season, and a losing record v the Padres last year.
the we wa wa wa won the most games thing, falls apart when they lose consecutive playoffs against teams they couldn't beat in the regular season
Where the hell you getting your stats from? Are you just pulling them out your ass? Cause they're all wrong... like every single thing you said was wrong.
The Dodgers went 8-5 against the Dbacks this year and 14-5 vs the Padres last year. Dominated both teams in the regular season. Braves also had a winning record vs the Phillies both this year and last. So I guess that invalidates that whole argument.
if it's the same one this year, and 2 of the other 3 maybe it's not a playoff problem?
braves had a losing record v the Phil's regular season '22 and '23 and couldn't beat them either year.
dodgers had a losing record v the D backs this regular season, and a losing record v the Padres last year.
the we wa wa wa won the most games thing, falls apart when they lose consecutive playoffs against teams they couldn't beat in the regular season
Where the hell you getting your stats from? Are you just pulling them out your ass? Cause they're all wrong... like every single thing you said was wrong.
The Dodgers went 8-5 against the Dbacks this year and 14-5 vs the Padres last year. Dominated both teams in the regular season. Braves also had a winning record vs the Phillies both this year and last. So I guess that invalidates that whole argument.
Post by piggy pablo on Oct 15, 2023 0:38:01 GMT -5
Too small a sample to draw conclusions from, imo.
Layoff doesn't and can't account for the WC upsets. And teams that have already won a three game series, particularly if they do it on the road, are by definition gonna be hot/good.
Orioles are a young team who have no experience in the postseason and who people were surprised had as good of a record as they did. I think they were picked to be last in their division. Kershaw put the Dodgers behind the eight ball in the first inning of game 1, when you'd think the time off would be good for pitchers, bad for hitters. Braves are really the only one that gives me pause, but stuff happens. The Astros got swept by the Royals and the A's in September, iirc. Such things happen. Even the best teams win at-most like 2/3 of their regular season games.
Post by potentpotables on Oct 15, 2023 8:47:45 GMT -5
The only way out of this for MLB is to have 8 teams make the playoffs in each league so that nobody gets a bye, but who wants that? 16 out of 30 MLB teams making the playoffs would be ridiculous, and certainly you would see a year where like the Reds beat the Braves in Atlanta and you'd have hand-wringing about that.
MLB has changed the nature of the game over the last 30 years over the objections of die-hard fans. What used to be cool - 4 teams out of 26 (and maybe for 2 seasons, though one strike interrupted, 28 teams) making the playoffs, rewarding season long greatness, now is laid on the altar of TV money. There's not a way to solve it. It is what it is.
Though I did wonder this year, would it benefit the teams on the bye to pay another organization to come play 3 games for charity or something that week? Intrasquad scrimmages, real 9 inning exhibitions, etc. Obviously there would be injury concerns and workload concerns, but I'd bet something could be done.
The Braves got swept several times in the regular season, even by the Marlins right before the postseason. After they clinched the division they just stopped trying. A lot of people are blaming the mid level pitching, but Strider and Fried actually did pretty well. Outside of Riley, the bats just didn't show up. If something like this happens again next year or the year after maybe we can start crying foul on the 5 day layoff, but still too early. Baseball is just weird, and that's why we like it.
The only way out of this for MLB is to have 8 teams make the playoffs in each league so that nobody gets a bye, but who wants that? 16 out of 30 MLB teams making the playoffs would be ridiculous, and certainly you would see a year where like the Reds beat the Braves in Atlanta and you'd have hand-wringing about that.
MLB has changed the nature of the game over the last 30 years over the objections of die-hard fans. What used to be cool - 4 teams out of 26 (and maybe for 2 seasons, though one strike interrupted, 28 teams) making the playoffs, rewarding season long greatness, now is laid on the altar of TV money. There's not a way to solve it. It is what it is.
Though I did wonder this year, would it benefit the teams on the bye to pay another organization to come play 3 games for charity or something that week? Intrasquad scrimmages, real 9 inning exhibitions, etc. Obviously there would be injury concerns and workload concerns, but I'd bet something could be done.
Without rule changes the solution is for these teams like the Braves to just never “shut it down “. They were cruise control for probably over a month because the lead was so big. Somehow they’re going to have to learn how to play with the same intensity until the end.
The fact that a lot of these teams that had a bye just played bad and deserved to lose, and the idea that the format (long layoff especially) is hurting them, aren't mutually exclusive. Both could be true and both are imo.
Sure, they all played uncharacteristically poorly. But why did play so poorly? Baseball is unpredictable and anything can happen, especially in such a small sample size. I point that out all the time. But some of these players' timing just looked off and rusty. They don't get that much time off in a row all year and then they have it right before the most important games they play? It may not be the sole reason for these teams losing, but I don't think there's any doubt that it's a challenge. The players have said so themselves.
The only way out of this for MLB is to have 8 teams make the playoffs in each league so that nobody gets a bye, but who wants that? 16 out of 30 MLB teams making the playoffs would be ridiculous, and certainly you would see a year where like the Reds beat the Braves in Atlanta and you'd have hand-wringing about that.
MLB has changed the nature of the game over the last 30 years over the objections of die-hard fans. What used to be cool - 4 teams out of 26 (and maybe for 2 seasons, though one strike interrupted, 28 teams) making the playoffs, rewarding season long greatness, now is laid on the altar of TV money. There's not a way to solve it. It is what it is.
Though I did wonder this year, would it benefit the teams on the bye to pay another organization to come play 3 games for charity or something that week? Intrasquad scrimmages, real 9 inning exhibitions, etc. Obviously there would be injury concerns and workload concerns, but I'd bet something could be done.
The sad thing is that if MLB ever does address this layoff thing (which I don't think they'll do anytime soon) they would probably just increase the teams to 8 per league like you said, and have no byes at all. So basically just make the situation worse. As if post season baseball didn't have enough parity already, adding 4 more mediocre teams would be such a shitty idea yet I have no doubt MLB will eventually consider it.
The other sad thing is that the expansion is clearly all for money to line the owners/MLB pockets more, and it's not at all to better the game. But everyone just seems cool with it. The players union never really raises any objection if it doesn't affect them directly. The fans have no say and just keep coming out to watch. Like you said, it is what it is and really no way to solve it because it's all about the money and there's no going back once changes are made. Even tho MLB did have the playoff format pretty perfect there for a while imo... 3 division winners and two WC teams who play a single game to get in. So 5 teams in each league and all have a decent chance to win it all. The randomness of baseball is still there where anyone can win, but you don't completely invalidate the 162 game season, which is what it feels like they're doing at this point.
The Braves and Dodgers had wrecked starting rotations.
anyone who didn't see them getting bounced was lying to themselves
Atlanta was the favorites to win in all and the Dodgers were somewhere close behind them and maybe Hou.
The Braves had Strider and Fried, one of the best 1-2 punches in the game. The Dodgers had a suspect rotation with a bunch of rookies, a hurt Kershaw, and Lance Lynn... but they were still playing the Diamondbacks in the first round. I didn't expect much from them but certainly thought they would get passed AZ.
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