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Post by steelersyerface on Jun 7, 2007 10:15:02 GMT -5
so i went to bonnaroo in 04 for the dead and it was the best time of my life....im very excited to be going back this year and we are making a long haul from towson md
but i was looking at the line up and couldnt help but notice that ratdog plays at 3 pm sunday i mean this in the most respectful way but i dont think that is good or fair decision making i mean i know the police are super rockers....but i go for the grateful dead people... im only 25 and i never saw jerry but they are by far the best band that ever played music in my eyes i know alotta people disagree...but i thought bonnaroo was all about the dead over at ratdog.org people are up in arms but atleast cheese is playing late night
again im not looking for an arguement...just some enlightenment as to why they gave BOB WEIR such and awful spot on the schedule
Bob is not a big draw these days. When RD comes to memphis, they can't even sell out the 1,000 person New Daisy Theater. I did see Jerry and I LOVE the Grateful Dead music, but realistically that time period is 12 years in the past. Bonnaroo tries to incorporate Grateful Dead music into every fest, b/c the guys at superfly were originally Deadheads. But as music promoters they have realized that they hey-day of the Dead is over, and offering a headlining or late-afternoon slot to RD over bands like Wilco or White Stripes, who are drawing well more than 1,000 people to their shows, just isn't gonna happen.
i thought they would be switched with wilco. or even headlining the 2nd stage, with white stripes being on the main stage. not that it matters to me. i saw ratdog at roo 2 years ago, in the same time slot.
i was originally a little upset at ratdog's timeslot too, but Bobby just isn't big enough to headline, and he is playing on the main stage. dead music is near and dear to my heart, and i see every incarnation at every chance i get. i'm hoping to see bobby pop up a few times over the weekend (sci, mule). i'd love to see the dead headline again, but i'm grateful for at least some representation....plus, there's a crapload of other great music to keep us busy!
I think it's more RatDog. For whatever reason, they just don't draw like Phil's lineups do. Can't blame Bonnaroo for that.
Phil is a much bigger draw than Bob. He also has musicians like Joan Osbourne, John Scofield, Warren Haynes, etc etc play with him, which increases the draw.
The Dead have headlined Bonnaroo twice....it's individual members never have(okay once)...Ratdog have played before (not as headliners) and even the first year Phil & Friends w/Bobby didn't headline. So nothing has changed in terms of the "respect" they get.
Also, if it makes you feel better...you've got one member in late night band (Warren) and one member in headlining band (Jimmy).
edit: I know, I know...Phil headlined last year....the point was that was the oddity not this.
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Post by lordrockinhood on Jun 7, 2007 10:40:38 GMT -5
Here in NYC Bobby sells out Radio City and The Beacon Theare constantly, and every other show he does again and again, but I guess there are a crapload of people in a small radius around here, and he's not up against so many other bands bands and distractions... gonna be a kick-arse set though, and the second Wolfmother finishes, I plan to bolt over to Ratdog faster than a speeding bullet
Last year in New York, they both played the Beacon.
Bobby played 3 nights, and then a few months later 2 at Radio City ....that's about 16,000 tickets.
Phil played 8 nights, and then played Jones Beach less than half a year later.....that's about 42,000 tickets.
He just has a bigger fan base...and I agree with the person above who said the reason for it is the musicians he brings out with him...I mean at the Jones Beach show, Trey was on lead guitar.
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Post by lordrockinhood on Jun 7, 2007 10:58:37 GMT -5
buscrash said:
Look at it this way regarding Phil and Bobby....
Last year in New York, they both played the Beacon.
Bobby played 3 nights, and then a few months later 2 at Radio City ....that's about 16,000 tickets.
Phil played 8 nights, and then played Jones Beach less than half a year later.....that's about 42,000 tickets.
He just has a bigger fan base...and I agree with the person above who said the reason for it is the musicians he brings out with him...I mean at the Jones Beach show, Trey was on lead guitar.
Excellent Point, way to illustrate! I still prefer Mr. Weir however, more my style
Post by strumntheguitar on Jun 7, 2007 11:37:58 GMT -5
Look at the conflicts that Bob Weir and Ratdog have. The only slight rival they have is Elvis Perkins. I think this is a perfectly fair placement for all the dead-heads.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 7, 2007 14:25:10 GMT -5
"i know alotta people disagree...but i thought bonnaroo was all about the dead"
No offense, but thank god it is not - I think the Dead WERE great, but splitting off into loosely connected solo acts that are sometimes lacking isn't the Dead.
i dig ratdog, i like their sound alot more than just the "phil and friends cover band", even if bob's repertroire is limited to what he can really play these days. he's adding more and more jerry songs in there that he's attempting to sing.
i agree with the guy who said, 'be thankful he's on mainstage and not in a side tent'.
to the person who said he can't sell out a small theater, i'll have to disagree. At the Norva here in virginia, he still consistently sells it out(1500+ tickets) and leaves 100's of other hippies walking around out front asking for a miracle. i would go see Ratdog over Phil and Friends anyday.
Bob is not a big draw these days. When RD comes to memphis, they can't even sell out the 1,000 person New Daisy Theater. I did see Jerry and I LOVE the Grateful Dead music, but realistically that time period is 12 years in the past. Bonnaroo tries to incorporate Grateful Dead music into every fest, b/c the guys at superfly were originally Deadheads. But as music promoters they have realized that they hey-day of the Dead is over, and offering a headlining or late-afternoon slot to RD over bands like Wilco or White Stripes, who are drawing well more than 1,000 people to their shows, just isn't gonna happen.
^yeah!
steelerzyerface: Your choice of username reminds me of something I think about from time to time which illustrates gouge's point. In the early days of the internet, it would seem that 90% of the names on boards like this one would have some relation GD or a GD song. Now it's more like 10%. You & I are dinosaurs my friend!
I think a main stage slot -no matter what time- is honor enough.
Superjam was great, but I agree Bob wouldnt bring as many people in for his show going up against others at the same time slot. I think he got a fair spot and a great stage to watch his show at. Bonnaroo has so many bands IMO they know what they are doing. HIGH FIVE B.roo But I do understand a loyal fan. So Exalt for showing love to the dead.
you know, i've never really cared about which band was playing where when, unless conflicts are involved. hell, half the time i don't notice if it's a tent or a stage or if it's this that which or what. sometimes i associate a certain band with a time of day (imagine tool playing at 3 pm), but that's the extent. i'm just thrilled beyond belief that there's always good music to listen to and good people to pow wow with.
Post by billypilgrim on Jun 7, 2007 16:33:01 GMT -5
I love the Dead. They take up about 3 days on my Ipod. And I started going to Bonnaroo for the "jam bands." But Bonnaroo has expanded. It's about good music of all types. If you go and focus on what you know and like, you can have a really good time. But I think you can have better time if you also expose yourself to bands you haven't seen before. The one constant is that Bonnaroo brings in world class musicians from different genres. Not just the big name acts either. Mavis Staples is one of the greatest soul and gospel singers of her generation. Manu Chao has a worldwide following. Ralph Stanley, Ornette Coleman, Ben Harper, Warren Haynes, Jack White, and many others are frighteningly talented artists who will be bringing their A games. Don't be afraid of wandering around and seeing who grabs your attention. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
s i know alotta people disagree...but i thought bonnaroo was all about the dead
ya roo has never been about the dead. but there are lots of fests that are about the dead and cost alot less then roo. gratefulfest in ohio, gathering of the vibes in ny, and jerrys bash in west virginia come to mind. not everyone at these fests is dead related but they are there as a celebration of the dead and most bands play atleast a couple of dead tunes when there. if your after a dead fest roo is not the place. mountain jam would have made a good choice. or any of the other fests i listed.
but not only do i think phil has a bigger lineup with him i think the rotating lineup means he can morph into a super group to headline anything. and phil shows are alot rarer then bobby shows. bobby is everywhere all the time. and i get the feeling that bobby is just going through the motions of tour after tour because doing dead music everywhere brings in the dollars. i think phil does it becasue he gets it. he loves the music, he loves the people he plays with, and he loves us. i just dont get that from booby.
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I can see how you feel that way Dude. Over the years Bobby has always been a bit standoffish (sp?) and less engaging than Phil. But deep down I have to believe Bobby loves the music just as much as Phil. Just two very opposing individuals.
Post by I Can't Wait! on Jun 7, 2007 17:04:05 GMT -5
Got to agree here, Phil is a much bigger draw. He brings a fantastic line up when he plays and his music is typically, in my opinion, a little more technical and exploratory like GD's music was.
I was actually surprised that RD is playing the main stage. I only wish Bob didn't think he needed to "dumb it down" for Bonnaroo. I guess it really goes to Bob's whole philosophy of music as business, where this is a chance to bring in a larger fan base by playing the old faves in short standard versions.
Anyway, I am very excited to see Ratdog, especially on the main stage. I also can't wait to see Mule, I still contend that Warren Haynes is the hardest working guy you'll see all weekend, and I have a feeling we'll see a lot of him.
i still have a feeling that phil will show up at mule. damnit he made a date with us last year!!!
and if hes there for mule maybe he can do a song with bobby. unlikley but i can dream.
anf your probably right about bobby. im sure he loves the music. but like icantwait said it seems that all of his thoughts and decisions are about profits. phil seems to be there for the love.
as asaid bobby wants to play the hits in studio format because he thinks people who havent heard the dead before are going to be at his roo show instead of one of the 4 other shows going on. youll never hear something like that out of phil. he puts together the best musician he can to go out and put ona show that hints back to what the dead were all about. dont get me wrong i love bobby and ratdog. hes just the piece that dosent fit quite right.
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and truthfully i love seeing bobby and phil but if you really want to see a high energy dead show dark star is where its at. it sounds silly to say that. and its cool to see the og's but dso has the energy that just cant be found at bobby and phil. for me anyhow. age has caught up with both of them.
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