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Post by plasticpepper on Jun 19, 2010 22:29:43 GMT -5
Well, it's taken me this long to get a chance to get back onto Inforoo after getting home from Roo this year. I heard the news from Julie on Monday morning after we left Roo, so I'm now finally getting to write this comment after having a fair amount of time to try to process this...and it hasn't gotten any easier or any less shocking.
I love everything that's happening here - the money being raised for the charity and the idea of Sanuks renaming a shoe is so great.
Matt - we're gonna miss you so much on Inforoo and at Bonnaroo. I really wish I'd gotten to know you better, but even just talking to you briefly at brunch the past two years feels like it brightened my life a bit, and I love that about you. Thanks for the smiles - and the cookies.
Post by lordrockinhood on Jun 19, 2010 22:31:21 GMT -5
Plus a large dedicated water oasis directly on the other side of security, just for people who were asked to dump something out, or didn't fill something up because they were following the rules. That wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Vector, that was a good thing that you did emailing the editor. I plan to do the same, perhaps not immediately..as I really want to organize my thoughts. I would urge others to follow suit. The more at least semi-literate letters that this publication gets from non druq-crazed hippies (at least not at the time of writing the letter) the more attention that we are likely to get.
Kudos to all of you organizing the water drive too. What a nice thing to do. As far as the artwork design, when one is selected, or when potential designs become available, could someone post them?
I wonder if we could get kazoos from somewhere like Oriental Trading Co. in bulk and have them personalized to say "carpe diem" or something else? just a thought...
I'm not someone who meets online people in three dimensions. I can see that I've missed out on meeting a great guy who has given to our community and the other communities that he's come in contact with. RIP.
As far as water goes, I really had no problem getting my hands on any in all weekend. There was never more than a minute's wait for the troughs, though there was a bit more of a wait for the filtered stuff. (All tastes the same to me.) I also wasn't aware of any quantity restrictions on bringing in factory-sealed water. In fact, on Sunday I saw someone lugging around a 5 gallon jug!
I would be happy to buy a few extra cases of water to distribute next year, though. If someone were to design a more permanent water bottle in his memory, I would be happy to buy and use that for myself as well.
Additionally, once a Sanuks memorial option is announced I'm in. In fact, is there a discussion somewhere about a permanent Bonnaroo Memorial being erected at the festival. There have been ten or fifteen deaths over the years at the festival, right? There should be a place on-site to pay respects and to act as a reminder to others that although the place seems like Heaven, bad things can happen.
Finally, as for the ArtVoice article... What a load of crap. Even if that was that dude's honest experience with Roo, it is so ridiculously far away from my own. Painting it as representative of the festival is cheap, easy and misleading. Printing that article now without any sources other than the other is irresponsible and malicously disrespectful.
Post by myxomatosis on Jun 19, 2010 23:10:24 GMT -5
Even unrelated to dudes death the waiting in direct sun for upwards of 25 minutes while water trickles (and that's an exaggeration) out was utterly unacceptable, perk or no perk. I understand there are only a certain number of water stations and that demand is high, especially when it's as hot and sunny as it was this year, but if you're going to offer a service, do it right. I understand I have other options but it shouldn't take someone nearly 5 minutes to refill a 20 oz water bottle.
I wonder if we could get kazoos from somewhere like Oriental Trading Co. in bulk and have them personalized to say "carpe diem" or something else? just a thought...
quick glance at Oriental Trading Co shows that one can get 24 personalized kazoos in choice of color for 11.99. for 5.99 you can get a pack of 72 that are not personalized and a little smaller than the aforementioned ones.
the coolest thing would be a trumpeteer playing and leading with the kazoo chorus accompanying him or her. Not sure how we would make that happen though.
Post by hibouxdufromage on Jun 20, 2010 0:06:47 GMT -5
We could make that happen because shaggyforte, danger7 and I are all Sinfonians, along with another brother from UGA whose handle I can't remember, along with 10 of the 16 other people I camped with this year. Finding a trumpeteer is the easy part, finding a trumpeteer that is willing to bring their horn out into that heat all weekend is a completely different ball of wax.
An opportunistic batch of incredibly insensitive hearsay, no actual facts, and zero compassion. Reads like a bad afterschool special. Jackass.
And I am happy to help distribute water. I do it all the time anyway. There should be so much free water available at Roo, that nobody is able to make a dime selling any.
You are simply wonderful! I agree wholeheartedly on both counts.
As far as that article is concerned... I don't even have words. It has me back in tears again. It was hard enough getting through this damned day knowing that Matt's ashes were being scattered this afternoon but to come home to this??? That article made Matt come off like some sort of alcoholic junkie when he was nothing of the sort. There was no mention of any of the good works Matt did - rebuilding in NoLa, driving down to the gulf coast to rescue wildlife after the oil spill or just the everyday stuff he did reaching out to people. Heaven forbid any of that get included. Matt was a saint and to portray him in the way that he was...it's just wrong. I feel like Matt just got slammed and twisted by some weird Fox News/ tabloid journalism one sided red sensationalism. I am so mad and upset right now. I'm trying really hard not to be because I know that Matt wouldn't want me to be and he'd want me to be the bigger person and just let it go because it wasn't worth it but I swear to God I just want to punch this guy in the face. I can only hope that we never cross paths. You took the most honest, caring, humble, altruistic, giving, wonderful human being in the world and you tried to make him ugly. Shame on you, sir! I can't even deal with this any more. I'm way too upset.
Post by nodepression on Jun 20, 2010 3:01:26 GMT -5
That article probably shouldn't have been posted here. But as someone who knows Andrew in real life, and as my former editor, I can say with all honesty he is not one to make things up for the sake of a better story.
He's also a very good guy for what it's worth, not that any of you want to hear that at this point it seems like.
That article probably shouldn't have been posted here. But as someone who knows Andrew in real life, and as my former editor, I can say with all honesty he is not one to make things up for the sake of a better story.
He's also a very good guy for what it's worth, not that any of you want to hear that at this point it seems like.
The point here - there is a time and a place and this was not the time - he showed a total lack of sensitivity by allowing the article to be released at this point in time (less than a week after Matt died)
Also - the way he slanted the whole article leads the reader to believe that Bonnaroo is nothing but one huge drug fest and that is the main reason to attend. I know plently pf people who go who don't do drugs and don't drink - willsfc on here for instance - good kid - straight as can be - he was there and I bet he had a blast - why not focus on stuff like that?
He's also a very good guy for what it's worth, not that any of you want to hear that at this point it seems like.
No, I want to hear that. I sent him a PM asking for an explanation. I have not jumped on the, he needs to die bandwagon, yet. But I was with Matt's parents when they came to Nashville to pick up the ashes. I saw their grief first hand. I want to know why he felt the need to add to that grief. And to ours.
I have not said that he needed to die. I just think he is a kid who let journalistic ambition get in the way of true representation of proven facts. And did it with total insensitivity and poor timing.
No, that's not by any means a capital offense. It's just in very, very poor taste and tacky. (now, in the South some might say that those are one and the same, but not me.) From what I know of Matt I don't think that he would insist on "having his head" so to speak
and he probably is a decent kid. Everyone makes errors in judgment. I've certainly had my share.
but something is needed here, a followup statement that all facts were not in when the article was written, apology to the family. And a hard lesson learned.
I'm not saying the article wasn't written poorly. But it's press. We read and watch the news everyday. It was an article based on one person's experience and opinion. It happens all of the time. Maybe it's not right or in poor taste but it happens. To everyone. Every article written is going to rub a group of people the wrong way.
I'm pretty sure he did nothing but express gratitude from Matthew Sloan, and sorrow at the end of the weekend.
so because he didn't tip toe around the elephant in the room that no one else is even mentioning, doesn't make him a disgusting person.
That's all I'm saying. So what if he witnessed something different than you. He's not allowed to do his job? He was sent to bonnaroo to write an article. He did and it was published. Maybe he pissed some people off but I'm sure that wasn't the intent.
As far as the water issue goes. Yes there should be more water stations. But really there is accessible water every twenty feet in Centeroo. Sometimes you have to pay for it sometimes not. My group went through the whole weekend without paying a dime for water and never waited more than a few minutes. We never used the filtered stations unless there wasn't a line but even the trucks water was cold and clean. And the lines were much more organized and moved faster.
I don't think that water should be used as a scapegoat. There are a lot of other issues here that people aren't even talking about.
I have so much respect for the people here and what they are doing with this situation. But that doesn't mean that freedom of speech should only be such when it agrees with you.
What should be done is sending the author of the article all of the information regarding Sanuks and the foundation. Who knows. They do print that paper every week. It's a very popular paper in Buffalo.
p.s. I don't know the author. I don't know Matthew. I didn't post the article to get him stoned. I posted it because what I got out of it was compassion. I got the story of him helping set up the tents of neighbors and being a nice guy.
Why do people think that drugs shouldn't be talked about. They exist. Whether or not you do them or have friends that do them is irrelevant. But to shy away from talking about them all together isn't being truthful. And I have gone to Bonnaroo sober too. Hell I've brought my kids. But I'm still aware of what goes on there.
But yeah sorry to Andrew. I didn't mean to turn this a bash fest towards you.
That article probably shouldn't have been posted here. But as someone who knows Andrew in real life, and as my former editor, I can say with all honesty he is not one to make things up for the sake of a better story.
He's also a very good guy for what it's worth, not that any of you want to hear that at this point it seems like.
This might get modded but I am going to try and say it carefully. If one were to read what he said were the surrounding circumstances, and then go read around a little on Erowid.org. I am pretty sure you will be able to realize this guy is not one to be making judgments on what an overdose is, or what caused death in someone.
That article probably shouldn't have been posted here. But as someone who knows Andrew in real life, and as my former editor, I can say with all honesty he is not one to make things up for the sake of a better story.
He's also a very good guy for what it's worth, not that any of you want to hear that at this point it seems like.
Here's the thing, nodepression. I don't believe Andrew made things up for the sake of a better story. I'm sure the story is largely factual. My problem with the story is that he chose to make it slanted and sensationalized in such a way that Matt came out looking like nothing more than a drunk looking to score NO NO WORD!!! and that's not who Matt was.
"Maybe Matt broke into the vodka the night before and got too wordy with him at the Jay-Z show." Really? Is this what passes for journalism?
"On the internet, people are rallying on the same message board where Matt found me for more water fill-up stations and better first aid to avoid another incident next year. They weren’t there after the sheriffs had left on Sunday to hear from his friends how Matt had done three heavy rolls of ecstasy and another dose of molly, pure MDMA, and that he was shaking, sweating, and grabbing people while at a show in Centeroo." I think this was the most appalling quote of all.
If I didn't know better I'd say that Andrew worked for AC/Superfly/Bonnaroo and was working on some PR spin. Please don't attempt to tell us that the lack of water & shade and the lack of properly trained first aid staff didn't contribute to Matt's death. And please don't act like fixing these problems wouldn't be a good thing that would save lives. Andrew's story makes it sound like Matt OD'd and that was all there was to it. Moreover, the story makes it sound like he just watched everything go down & took notes for a story while watching Matt die and that really pisses me off.
Andrew made no attempt to write a balanced story or to investigate. He didn't bother to interview anyone. He made no mention of what a wonderful person Matt was or all of the good works that he did. He made no mention of all the lives he touched or the massive grief caused by his death. He made no mention of how it has brought people together to honor Matt or help his dreams become a reality. Heaven forbid Andrew mention Matt's Trees. He made no mention of the 48 ambulance runs this year or the other 3000 people who had to get treated by medical staff at Roo. No mention of the lack of water or shade. No mention that the same thing happens every year and can be prevented if only Roo would attempt to provide adequate shade/water for its patrons. No none of that. Instead of investigating and writing an actual story, Andrew decided that he wanted to write an op-ed piece about NO NO WORD!!! and ran with it. That's why I'm upset and why some others are upset. I would LOVE to hear Andrew's explanation for why he went this route with the story. Feel free to ask him to come over and explain it to us. I'll be waiting....
BTW Andrew, I had to take a valium to prevent myself from having a coronary after reading your piece. Perhaps your next story should be about how I'm a junkie too.
Besides the fact that he really disrespected someone who has passed, their family. and friends.
He painted a terrible picture of Bonnaroo, and basically called anyone who attended an addict. I didn't use drugs or caffeine to a stay up for the late nights. I didn't use narcotics to sleep. This article really didn't sound like the same place I was just last week. I wouldn't want my family to read this article now that I have attended many of these festivals.
So yeah, there are going to be some people pissed off at this article in many fashions. It's garbage end of story.
so because he didn't tip toe around the elephant in the room that no one else is even mentioning, doesn't make him a disgusting person.
As far as the water issue goes. Yes there should be more water stations. But really there is accessible water every twenty feet in Centeroo. Sometimes you have to pay for it sometimes not. My group went through the whole weekend without paying a dime for water and never waited more than a few minutes.
I don't think that water should be used as a scapegoat. There are a lot of other issues here that people aren't even talking about.
p.s. I don't know the author. I don't know Matthew. I didn't post the article to get him stoned. I posted it because what I got out of it was compassion. I got the story of him helping set up the tents of neighbors and being a nice guy.
Why do people think that NO NO WORD!!! shouldn't be talked about. They exist. Whether or not you do them or have friends that do them is irrelevant. But to shy away from talking about them all together isn't being truthful.
With all due respect Karen, I think the fact that you didn't know Matt is why you aren't upset by the article. Those of us who knew him and were close to him are upset with good cause.
Mentioning drugs doesn't make Andrew a disgusting person but choosing to slant a story in true tabloid fashion to make Matt out to be something that he wasn't does.
I would love to know how you found water every 20 feet from the center of the What Stage considering that all of the concessions are at least 150 feet away. Your group was luckier than most. A lot of people were stuck in line for 20 minutes waiting for water, in the sun and heat. Also, not everyone can handle the taste of well water so they go with the filtered.
Do you honestly believe water is being used as a scapegoat? Matt's core body temp was 108. Surely you jest. The lack of water at Roo is a major problem and the number of heat exhaustion cases at the medical tents is a testament to that. Please don't act like it's not a major problem that needs to be fixed.
If you had known Matt then the last thing you would have gotten from that article was compassion. Andrew could have done a story about how wonderful Matt was and how he always helped people wherever he went but he didn't. That article was a slap in the face to those of us who are still grieving.
What isn't truthful is writing an article that makes it seem like the only reason Matt went to Roo was to get wasted which couldn't be further from the truth. He loved the music, the people and the spirit of Roo. He loved the sense of community. I have no problem with Andrew writing about drugs but he should at least write an honest and balanced piece of actual journalism instead of just an opinion piece.
I have been trying to stay calm but truly this article and the fact that some people don't understand why it's in such poor taste galls me.
What isn't truthful is writing an article that makes it seem like the only reason Matt went to Roo was to get wasted which couldn't be further from the truth. He loved the music, the people and the spirit of Roo. He loved the sense of community.
read that article...what a douche, for someone who attended roo 4 times, he depicts it in a pretty awful light and his description counters most of what I've experienced at roo in all the years I've gone. He acts if people are knocking each other over trying to sell you sh!t.
also...
This was my fourth Bonnaroo, and I’d learned the hard way that, contrary to what your parents might have told you, being surrounded by dealers isn’t the best thing you could ask for.
is this sarcasm? does this guy have fucked up parents that told him this? what an odd statement...
Post by tommyboy7328 on Jun 20, 2010 11:30:29 GMT -5
I am deeply sorry that we have lost a beloved Roo family member. I did not have the honor of meeting him but my heart and prayers go out to his biological family. I do see good things from this tragedy though. You can see how much our Roo family means to each other through a very special bond and that he passed being in a place of great peace and love should be of great comfort to all who will miss him. I am sure that his spirit will be with us all when we return to the farm. He will be missed but not forgotten.
Post by tommyboy7328 on Jun 20, 2010 11:36:04 GMT -5
I am deeply sorry that we have lost a beloved Roo family member. I did not have the honor of meeting him but my heart and prayers go out to his biological family. I do see good things from this tragedy though. You can see how much our Roo family means to each other through a very special bond and that he passed being in a place of great peace and love should be of great comfort to all who will miss him. I am sure that his spirit will be with us all when we return to the farm. He will be missed but not forgotten.
This was my fourth Bonnaroo, and I’d learned the hard way that, contrary to what your parents might have told you, being surrounded by dealers isn’t the best thing you could ask for.
is this sarcasm? does this guy have quacked up parents that told him this? what an odd statement...
I also thought that was very odd.
I don't think Andrew wrote a bad article, but is was extremely tacky and almost as if he wanted to put a bad taste in people's mouths about the festival. I find it hard to believe that the same person who ended a post in this thread with "Matt brought a lot of people together at Bonnaroo, even after he was gone," wrote that article. Having met him and spent a good amount of time with him over the weekend, how is it possible to throw away all thoughts of what a good guy he was to write an article that seems so cold. And even then, how is it possible to write an article portraying Bonnaroo in such a bad light when you've been for 4 years and seem to have reason to go back every year? It just doesn't make sense to me. It's articles like this that give Bonnaroo such a reputation to which parents sit home and worry about their kids the entire time they're gone.
I first read this article last night, and I've been trying to come up with a decent way to express my feeling about since then. I think I've finally figured it out. My opinion is pretty similar to about everyone else, but I'm going to try to say this in a little different way.
My problem with this article is not that Andrew wrote about the drugs at Bonnaroo and how they may have played a part in Matt's death. It's the incredibly insensitive way that he did it. This wasn't an article about Bonnaroo or Matt. This was simply and over sensationalized anti-drug campaign. And the only role that Matt played was as the bad example. The entire article built to a final ending that basically surmounts to 'look what happens when you do drugs, kid. If you do drugs you die!'
If you want to write and article about the dangers of drugs, fine. If you want to write one about the dangers or drugs at Bonnaroo, also fine. But don't play it off like this is a story about how you lost a "friend" just to draw in readers. That's just cheap.
And now I'm going to copy this over as a comment on the article page.