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Well higgi, I know that i'm not mafia, although indig seems to analyze everything and seemed like he knew too much for a townsperson, I find it hard to believe that he is actually mafia now. If both of you were mafia, he would have voted for me, as would you, thus ending the game after voting. This has been a long game and needs to end, so why would someone prolong the process another day. In my eyes the game will end when you, the last mafia, are killed off or when indig (although possible, I don't see it) kills me overnight after your death.
C'mon I play to win and prolonging the game is to ENSURE you are aware that if you do vote me down, we lose. The length of this game does not matter to me as it shouldn't you. The objective is to win.
There is only ONE mafia member left. We can take him down.
You hit the nail on the head - he knows far to much information for a townie. Take my advice or don't, but I'm telling you that by killing me we lose it.
No matter who I vote for there is a minimum 50% I still die tonight.
Mike, to make things clear, there is only ONE mafia member left and this is our last vote. (I'm sure you know this). Right now our count is two innocents and one guilty. Voting off the last guilty party will leave the two townies alive and victors of the game.
So with 2 townies and 1 mafia left, this vote HAS TO BE CORRECT or else the townies will lose.
Just go with your gut man. There was a reason you were voting INDI the last two votes.
Post by indigrainbow on Jul 26, 2010 15:51:50 GMT -5
my reasoning is i went with my gut about eap, ntrt seemed to confirm that eap was mafia, i continued based on what she said which was ntrt for next in line, and that was obviously correct because if ntrt had been lying it would leave us right now with TWO mafia and one innocent, in which case kdogg would have declared the game over.
i was thinking it was higgi as the third mafia though i was also tossing up jen as a possibility. jen's death snaps it into place for me. if higgi had killed me, well, jen was already voting against higgi, so that would have just confirmed it more for her. and it might have convinced you that higgi was mafia. if higgi had killed you, it would have left me and jen voting against him. the only logical choice for him to pick was to kill of Jen, hoping that you would have continued your vote against me. if i had been mafia, why on earth this close to the end of the game would i have killed jen in the night when she obviously felt the same way i did about higgi? doesnt it stand to reason that if i were the last mafia that i would have had you killed instead? why would i have killed off jen if i were mafia? she was voting with me against higgi with only the few of us players left. she would have been too valuable to me. had i killed jen, it would have been too risky to leave voting up the next day to you (who has been voting against me) and higgi (who i am voting against and who has been in and out of voting against me)
Post by indigrainbow on Jul 26, 2010 15:55:55 GMT -5
also, mike, the game ends when mafia outnumbers innocents so if the game is still going we are down to two of us being innocent and one of us being mafia.
Post by indigrainbow on Jul 26, 2010 15:58:46 GMT -5
also, as far as knowing far too much for a townie, i have only been using the same type of logic that higgi has been using. however, higgi tried to say that my logic was unfounded and that he didnt see a connection.
i thought the only connection i saw to bacon's death was with eap, which was later confirmed by ntrt. other than that i have only exposed fallacies by people using circular logic in their defenses, and pointed out mathematical and logical probabilities. doesnt take inside knowledge to use your brain.
i was thinking it was higgi as the third mafia though i was also tossing up jen as a possibility. jen's death snaps it into place for me. if higgi had killed me, well, jen was already voting against higgi, so that would have just confirmed it more for her. and it might have convinced you that higgi was mafia. if higgi had killed you, it would have left me and jen voting against him. the only logical choice for him to pick was to kill of Jen, hoping that you would have continued your vote against me. if i had been mafia, why on earth this close to the end of the game would i have killed jen in the night when she obviously felt the same way i did about higgi? doesnt it stand to reason that if i were the last mafia that i would have had you killed instead? why would i have killed off jen if i were mafia? she was voting with me against higgi with only the few of us players left. she would have been too valuable to me. had i killed jen, it would have been too risky to leave voting up the next day to you (who has been voting against me) and higgi (who i am voting against and who has been in and out of voting against me)
This is a game of simply switching names...
If I (INDI) killed Mike (Jen) I would be a fool, as Mike has been voting in my favor in the last few votes cast. OBVIOUSLY I wouldn't whack Mike if I were Mafia - Killing Jen is just another attempt to point blame.
INDI killed JEN in attempts to make me look guilty.
Obv. my vote isn't going anywhere, it's up to you Mike.
Post by indigrainbow on Jul 26, 2010 16:15:20 GMT -5
but mike wasnt killed. heres your fallacy. you cant blame me for someone else's death and then turn around and say that blaming people for others' deaths is fallacy.
Post by indigrainbow on Jul 26, 2010 16:20:39 GMT -5
also, i reiterate, this close to the end with so few players, if i had been mafia, killing jen would have just been stupid. i wouldnt need to make you look more guilty than you already look if i were mafia. i would have just simply had to kill mike and then teamed up with jen to vote higgi off. just like you tried to do, kill jen off to to team up with mike to try to vote me off.
to catch a rat you have to think like a rat, it doesnt make me guilty because i have been trying to think of how i would have acted if i had been mafia, it just makes me responsible when voting people dead.
Killing Jen would be stupid, yes. Which is exactly why it was done - because it would be an easy argument to persuade a player teetering on the fence (Mike) into believing that you were innocent and I was guilty.
This is my final plea as I am off to a City Council meeting and won't be back till tomorrow when voting is likely closed.
Votes Cast Rainbow >>> Higgi Mike D >>> Higgi Higgi >>> Rainbow
Voting remains open, as I feel discussion is still underway.
There has been plenty of back-and-forth since Mike D asked a question in his last post. I am going to leave this open so as to give him a chance to read & respond to everything.
Votes Cast Rainbow >>> Higgi Mike D >>> Higgi Higgi >>> Rainbow
Voting remains open, as I feel discussion is still underway.
There has been plenty of back-and-forth since Mike D asked a question in his last post. I am going to leave this open so as to give him a chance to read & respond to everything.
My vote stands with higgi. I can't see enough reason to change my vote. higgi was all over my vote for her but not indi's vote this round?
SOoo CLOSE!! Ugh. All well, good game everyone! Thanks for whacking me on my birthday!
ahaha jk. Thanks for the happy wishes ;D
You were extremely close to convincing me that you were innocent. after those last few comments there were moments I thought I should have, but like I said there just wasn't quite enough for me to fully justify changing my vote to Indig. It was fairly nerve racking to be honest.
