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Mad Men, ITM. That's what might keep Boardwalk from the top 3. I'm with you, though. I'm not quite sure why this show hasn't gotten a little more attention. It might be too "slow" for people (in other words, you have to actually pay attention to find the depth).
Mad Men is the #1 on my list of shows to watch. I just don't have enough time and I want to focus my attention to it....not just put it on and do other stuff. Soon...
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 11, 2012 7:27:05 GMT -5
1) Al Capone is awesome. 2) I hope Margaret's subplot is going somewhere because right now, it just seems like filler. 3) Was I the only one who was a little confused by the tension between Owen and Nucky? It played like something that has been building for weeks, but I don't remember noticing anything bad between them before this episode.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 17, 2012 5:30:25 GMT -5
Where are you, Kyle? You need to discuss. To recap and continue our discussion from last night.
1) The show has a definite issue with having too many characters with separate story arcs. Margaret, Van Alden, Chalky and Gillian all have personal story lines that seem to eat up screen time without advancing the main plot at all. Margaret's (and Gillian's to a lesser extent) does show some of the still present adversity on women of the time period, but I don't see how it connects to anything else yet it has taken up a ton of time this season. Van Alden's at least seems to be eventually ending up with him helping O'Banion out, but the amount of screen time he gets feels like it is due more to Michael Shannon being awesome than his character being essential. Chalky's comes across as just a way for us not to forget about him. His scene on Sunday, while it was awesome, could have been filled by any random thug. 2) The actor (can't remember his name) knows how to stir a pot, doesn't he? 3) Gyp Rosetti is one weird guy. 4) Bugsy Seigal = win
Where are you, Kyle? You need to discuss. To recap and continue our discussion from last night.
1) The show has a definite issue with having too many characters with separate story arcs. Margaret, Van Alden, Chalky and Gillian all have personal story lines that seem to eat up screen time without advancing the main plot at all. Margaret's (and Gillian's to a lesser extent) does show some of the still present adversity on women of the time period, but I don't see how it connects to anything else yet it has taken up a ton of time this season. Van Alden's at least seems to be eventually ending up with him helping O'Banion out, but the amount of screen time he gets feels like it is due more to Michael Shannon being awesome than his character being essential. Chalky's comes across as just a way for us not to forget about him. His scene on Sunday, while it was awesome, could have been filled by any random thug. 2) The actor (can't remember his name) knows how to stir a pot, doesn't he? 3) Gyp Rosetti is one weird guy. 4) Bugsy Seigal = win
I watch this show, too. Not surprised you watch it, Dave, we seem to have similar taste in TV shows.
1) I think the Chi-town and NY/NJ arcs will cross paths again which is why Van Alden and Capone are such a big part of the show right now.
Chaulky's scene was 100% a "don't forget about me!" scene, so he'll probably have a bigger role later in the season, but I'd like a more defined storyline for him, he's awesome (I'm sure I'm unbiased in this assessment, too).
Margeret's storyline is kind of boring at times, but I think overall it's a good one for the reason you laid out: it keeps the women's rights struggle in the show's forefront.
2.) Who are you talking about?
3.) Haha, I watched Sunday's episode last night (after Sons) and my friend warned me "things....get a little weird." That was an understatement. Nice eagle-eye dong shot on the closing scene, too.
4.) Bugsy is awesome, but will undoubtedly get the crew into some giant heap of trouble at some point.
I found it pretty interesting that Rothstein ended up helping Nucky, and in essence striking a match to his truce in NY. Between what's already going on between Rosetti and Nucky, plus the impending NY beef, plus the brewing Chicago trouble (if Van Alden and Capone meet in some melee I might just pause the TV and never finish watching) the body count is probably going to go sky high.
Btw, I really like what they've done with Eli's character. Kind of like a "back from the dead" kind of thing. He's lost his thirst to be top dawg, he's wiser for what he went through, and he looks like he's still harboring ill feelings towards just about everyone. I hope he goes nuts.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 17, 2012 7:33:34 GMT -5
2) This guy: Have you heard of Lucy Danziger? No? I bet the next one won't know a thing about you either.
4) I think Bugsy has already gotten everyone in a jam. Gyp beat a guy to death for correcting him on 3-in-1 oil. Just imagine what he will do for someone who actually tried to kill him.
I agree that this might be the episode that starts the beginning of when things really jump off this season. They made sure to clarify that Gyp reports to Joe Masseria, and like you said, Rothstein said pretty explicitly that going against Gyp would cause a war.
Eli is an improved character definitely. I don't see him going crazy on everyone, but I am certain he will have a big impact later on this season.
2) The actor's name is Stephen DeRosa, and I hate him. Haha he's just very unlikable to me for some reason, but he's a sassy little fucker, isn't he?
4) Bugsy was clearly operating on orders from higher ups, I just think they used him because he's an unknown face to the people in question (except since Rosetti isn't dead we know he's going to go right for Nucky/Rothstein). He's wreckless and I bet they were half-hoping he would get himself killed and they could write it off as a rogue gangster.
And I don't think Eli is going to kill everyone or anything, but at some point that man is goign to snap. It may be on one guy (Doyle? Please for the love of christ let it be Doyle), it may be on a bunch of people, it may be on a major character, who knows. But I know it's coming at some point, and it's going to be glorious.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 17, 2012 8:20:48 GMT -5
Good point on Bugsy. Lansky and Luciano do tend to tolerate him rather than enjoy him being around, so I can see them sending him on a suicide mission.
As far as Doyle goes, I hope he gets his sooner than later, but the closest historical person he is based off of says different. This makes me sad.
Good point on Bugsy. Lansky and Luciano do tend to tolerate him rather than enjoy him being around, so I can see them sending him on a suicide mission.
As far as Doyle goes, I hope he gets his sooner than later, but the closest historical person he is based off of says different. This makes me sad.
True, but they've veered off the historical path before, haven't they?
Real life Nucky was 6'3" and 300lbs, so yeah, they have veered a little.
Also, Eli was the older brother in real life.
Yeah, I remember reading up on the real life Nucky before the show and almost died laughing at the "mountain of a man" being played by a sickly little bug-eyed weirdo. But he plays the role well, gotta give him credit for building a persona much larger than his actual person.
Dude, Flanz, that eagle-eye shot of Rosetti's package took balls (pun intended). That was actually kind of hilarious. Don't know that I've ever seen that in a show/movie.
Since Mickey is a minor character, I could potentially see them veering from his historical figure. I do agree that Eli seems likely to lose it at some point (especially now that he's sort of back in Nuck's good graces), and Mickey seems like the most likely candidate after he continually ignores Eli's wise advice. I always thought Eli was one of the more underrated characters on the show honestly (part of it is that Shea Whigham is a tremendous actor), and yeah his return in season 3 has been captivating.
On the flip side, I don't like the character of Owen Sleater. I mean, he's cool, he's definitely a bad@ss and a ladies' man, but there just isn't a lot of depth there besides some vague stuff about his history in Ireland. I agree the tension between Sleater and Nuck this episode came out of nowhere and was poorly developed, Dave, but I'm hoping it eventually means Sleater will get pwnt by Richard Harrow and Harrow will become Nuck's 1A sidekick (per their conversation a few weeks back). Every time Richard Harrow is on the screen, he rules (I was disappointed that he killed Munya, though, because I thought Munya was a strong developing character).
And I totally agree that there is too much of a balance between good and sh*tty characters in this show. If there's one complaint I have about this show, it's that they don't just cut their losses and give up on storylines that aren't really going anywhere. Or, for instance with the Van Alden storyline that is clearly going to get tied into the Chicago storyline at some point, making them interesting while they're sort of "waiting" to get more involved. The Van Alden storyline is almost utterly useless at this point. His character was awesome in season 1, and has been wandering around the show like a chicken with his head cut off since.
I actually like Owen's character, I think they kind of just used him for the Margaret revenge f*ck and the connection to the IRA and then.....nothing. He's clearly a useful and resourceful guy, could do a lot of stuff for Nuck, and he's badass. But they stopped having him kill people, f*ck beautiful women on screen and now he's just a "yes man" that doesn't really do anything.
I hope they get him into the thick of things, and I could see Margaret approaching him for yet another revenge f*ck. I just want to see her naked. Whatever.
At least with Van Alden they've now established his moral compass is officially broken and his wife is a going to react to anything she perceives to be a threat like a corner tiger. They're going to be fun to watch from here on out.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 17, 2012 9:31:07 GMT -5
I like Owen too, but like Flanzo said, he has been relegated to the sideline now. It even seems like he has been replaced by the Doctor as Margaret's revenge sex buddy.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Oct 18, 2012 11:07:13 GMT -5
I've been slightly bored this season. Alot changed this season from last without much explanation...hasn't been enough violence (not that I particularly enjoy violence but it is a gangster show) and there certainly has not been enough sex this time around (at least bedroom action that I would like to see, not creepy Van Alden or the Rosetti scene unveiling his need for asphyxiation and to be submissive in the sheets). And Nucky is a shell of himself- not propelling the plot anywhere. Yet at least.
I guess I just really miss Jimmy. And his wife for that matter. I love Jimmy's masked friend (I forget names) but the last two episodes, he's been non-existent. And surely he must know that Nucky killed Jimmy right? Why isn't he after complete revenge here? He killed the butcher. Maybe I'm confused or missed something in the shows- I just thought for sure the masked guy would be more instrumental this season.
Killing off your main character worked for Game of Thrones- I'm not sure that it worked here.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Oct 18, 2012 11:43:48 GMT -5
Eh, on second thought, there has been plenty of violence this time around- probably even more than previous seasons- but I guess since it hasn't been as surprising as say for instance the butcher guy murdering Angela and her lover, it hasn't had the same affect on me.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 18, 2012 12:50:04 GMT -5
Richard (the masked guy) confronted Nucky the episode after he killed Manny. He told Nucky that he killed Manny for revenge on Jimmy's wife and that he wouldn't kill Nucky for killing Jimmy because "Jimmy was a soldier" and knew what he was getting into whereas Angela was an innocent.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 18, 2012 12:51:41 GMT -5
Double post, b*tches!:
Richard is another person who is an example of an excellent character with nowhere to go plotwise. Angela and Jimy are both dead, and Gillian doesn't want him around anymore.
Richard (the masked guy) confronted Nucky the episode after he killed Manny. He told Nucky that he killed Manny for revenge on Jimmy's wife and that he wouldn't kill Nucky for killing Jimmy because "Jimmy was a soldier" and knew what he was getting into whereas Angela was an innocent.
Which, might I add, was f*cking awesome.
I loved Manny's character, but Richard is a dark horse for best character on the show. They need to give him a defined story arc and just hit the viewer over the head repeatedly with it.
Richard is another person who is an example of an excellent character with nowhere to go plotwise. Angela and Jimy are both dead, and Gillian doesn't want him around anymore.
I think Richard has alot to offer the show, if the writers would use him. He was around quite a bit early on, and it seemed it may go somewhere, but nothing.
I agree that the show has too many sub-plots and storylines just hanging around.
One last thought, I really wish they'd stop making Margaret so dowdy- she has sex appeal- she needs to let out her inner tigress.
Richard is another person who is an example of an excellent character with nowhere to go plotwise. Angela and Jimy are both dead, and Gillian doesn't want him around anymore.
I think Richard has alot to offer the show, if the writers would use him. He was around quite a bit early on, and it seemed it may go somewhere, but nothing.
I agree that the show has too many sub-plots and storylines just hanging around.
One last thought, I really wish they'd stop making Margaret so dowdy- she has sex appeal- she needs to let out her inner tigress.
Maybe it's just my affinity for cute ladies with an Irish Brogue, but I feel like Margaret has looked a lot hotter this season. I feel like she used to be a lot more covered up but has started wearing lighter layers and looking pretty damn fine.
And we somehow just turned a thread about a violent pre-WWII gangster into one on early 1900's female fashion. Huzzah!
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Oct 18, 2012 14:16:34 GMT -5
All she needs to do is let her down more often; those buns are starting to drive me crazy!
Speaking of fashion, the set design and wardrobe people behind Boardwalk definitely deserve awards. Unequivocally, I love the scenery of the show- maybe the best I've ever seen on TV.
Post by A$AP Rosko on Oct 22, 2012 23:24:59 GMT -5
Based on the interaction between Nucky and Richard in the third episode of this season (I think it was third?), I thought that was going to become Richard's new storyline: his developing role as muscle for Nucky. But I guess they were just providing us with an answer as to why the hell Richard wasn't going after Nucky for killing Jimmy.
Most recent episode was a bit of a snoozer. Kinda ran in circles a bit. No Gyp, no dice (although I'm POSITIVE Gyp will come back in a big way this season).
Post by A$AP Rosko on Oct 22, 2012 23:26:11 GMT -5
The "can you break a hundred" line was aces, though.
Oh, and Jack Huston was pretty brilliant with his expressions in the scene where he looks at those old family photos with his mask off. Few actors can pull off a scene like that without saying a word, and even fewer can do it with only half a face. Jackie boy is definitely living up to the family name.
Just thought of something while reading Sepinwall's review of this episode: with all the birth control stuff with Margaret, I bet Owen gets her pregnant.
Calling it right now, actually: Margaret gets pregnant while Nucky's away, Nucky has Richard Harrow kill Owen (and maybe even Margaret as well), Richard Harrow becomes Nucky's new right-hand man. Really feel good about this prediction; it makes too much sense. Don't know why I didn't think to connect Margaret's birth control storyline with her Owen affair already.
Also, it's going to be a shame when Gyp Rosetti dies (inevitable if he's going after Luciano and Nucky). He's been a very welcome addition to the show, with some very awesome lines (memorably, "Everybody's a person though, right? So how else could they take it?").
