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Just thought of something while reading Sepinwall's review of this episode: with all the birth control stuff with Margaret, I bet Owen gets her pregnant.
Calling it right now, actually: Margaret gets pregnant while Nucky's away, Nucky has Richard Harrow kill Owen (and maybe even Margaret as well), Richard Harrow becomes Nucky's new right-hand man. Really feel good about this prediction; it makes too much sense. Don't know why I didn't think to connect Margaret's birth control storyline with her Owen affair already.
Also, it's going to be a shame when Gyp Rosetti dies (inevitable if he's going after Luciano and Nucky). He's been a very welcome addition to the show, with some very awesome lines (memorably, "Everybody's a person though, right? So how else could they take it?").
Oh stop it you just don't like Owen and are all googly-eyes for Richard.
I finally watched Sunday's episode last night (which is why I avoided this thread), I thought it was good. Every episode can't be a bunch of killing, this episode did a good job setting up the killing that's probably coming later.
Anyone else finding it hard to take the nerdy old guy with the mail-order bride from Dodgeball seriously as a conniving mastermind of conspiracy? I mean, he's doing a really good job but I can't shake the thought that "hey...that's the guy whose Asian wife cheats on him!"
Just thought of something while reading Sepinwall's review of this episode: with all the birth control stuff with Margaret, I bet Owen gets her pregnant.
Calling it right now, actually: Margaret gets pregnant while Nucky's away, Nucky has Richard Harrow kill Owen (and maybe even Margaret as well), Richard Harrow becomes Nucky's new right-hand man. Really feel good about this prediction; it makes too much sense. Don't know why I didn't think to connect Margaret's birth control storyline with her Owen affair already.
Also, it's going to be a shame when Gyp Rosetti dies (inevitable if he's going after Luciano and Nucky). He's been a very welcome addition to the show, with some very awesome lines (memorably, "Everybody's a person though, right? So how else could they take it?").
Oh stop it you just don't like Owen and are all googly-eyes for Richard.
How the hell can I NOT like a post that starts off like that? Tell me it doesn't make sense what I laid out, Flanz. Tell me it doesn't.
And I like the Gaston Means character, but I will say that this show has a veritable f*ckton of "larger-than-life" characters (Means, Richard, Gillian, Gyp, the list goes on, really), and perhaps not enough just regular people. It's not necessarily a complaint since the vast majority of the actors on this show are so good they pull it off, but it seems like with every character they introduce, they have to have some sort of noticable deformity or behavioral weirdness or distinguishing character feature of some sort.
Just for the sake of contrast, The Sopranos, for instance, just presented guys that seemed like regular ol' mob guys until the show let the subtleties of their characters unfold over long periods of time. Just different approaches, but it CAN get to be a little much occasionally on BE.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 24, 2012 7:21:49 GMT -5
I don't think it makes sense, Kyle. Why build up all this narrative about Richard having thought and principle behind some of his killing (Manny) and a longing for family (the scene with the pictures, everything with Jimmy last season) to toss that away for him to end up a hired gun?
Oh stop it you just don't like Owen and are all googly-eyes for Richard.
How the hell can I NOT like a post that starts off like that? Tell me it doesn't make sense what I laid out, Flanz. Tell me it doesn't.
And I like the Gaston Means character, but I will say that this show has a veritable f*ckton of "larger-than-life" characters (Means, Richard, Gillian, Gyp, the list goes on, really), and perhaps not enough just regular people. It's not necessarily a complaint since the vast majority of the actors on this show are so good they pull it off, but it seems like with every character they introduce, they have to have some sort of noticable deformity or behavioral weirdness or distinguishing character feature of some sort.
Just for the sake of contrast, The Sopranos, for instance, just presented guys that seemed like regular ol' mob guys until the show let the subtleties of their characters unfold over long periods of time. Just different approaches, but it CAN get to be a little much occasionally on BE.
Don't you think it'd take something significant to take Richard away from his new heartthrob and into the fray of a chaotic off-the-tracks runaway shitstorm? Would have to be something dealing with his sister, no?
I don't think it makes sense, Kyle. Why build up all this narrative about Richard having thought and principle behind some of his killing (Manny) and a longing for family (the scene with the pictures, everything with Jimmy last season) to toss that away for him to end up a hired gun?
Same reason they built up Owen's Irish backstory last year. If he's gonna be such a major character as Nucky's right hand man, his backstory has to keep viewers interested.
I will say the point is well-taken, though, about whether or not Richard would want to get involved with Nucky with that girl in the picture now and him clearly thinking about his sister back home. To be honest, I was just assuming that Richard would want to be a hired gun for Nucky because that's just who he is, but not now with that girl and the family stuff. That's a pretty fair hole in my prediction. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. But I just got the sense that there was some gravity beneath that exchange between Nucky and Richard earlier this season.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 24, 2012 7:47:09 GMT -5
Yeah, to put an alternate viewpoint out there, the development of Richard that I pointed out earlier could just as easily lend to him killing a ton of people to protect/avenge the potential of a family with his lady friend.
Yeah, to put an alternate viewpoint out there, the development of Richard that I pointed out earlier could just as easily lend to him killing a ton of people to protect/avenge the potential of a family with his lady friend.
I like how we all take the first woman to look at Richard kindly in about 20 episodes and immediately assume they're gonna bump uglies.
What if I plaster the thread with images of Jack Huston the way Jess used to with pictures of Huey Lewis? Will that get me into "legitimately creepy" territory?
What if I plaster the thread with images of Jack Huston the way Jess used to with pictures of Huey Lewis? Will that get me into "legitimately creepy" territory?
i do not watch this show, but i caught the band exit music at moog and they were terrific. apparently the girl is on boardwalk empire. i highly recommend checking them out.
Great episode that sort of put the action on hold to develop the characters a little further and/or more clearly. Gyp/Bobby Canavale was f*cking awesome in this episode, particularly in the church scene and the scene where he talks his way out of getting whacked my Masseria. The interactions between Eli and Nucky were also awesome and made us privy to a more compassionate side of Nucky we hadn't seen in a while.
Gillian continues to be crazy. I liked the scene with her and Nucky. I felt it really conveyed the tension between the two of them. The part with Luciano was interested because it continues the arc with her becoming more and more independent. I have a feeling things will fall apart for her.
Margaret's storyline continues to frustrate me. I don't need social issues in a crime drama.
I also enjoyed the Mellon storyline. For all the power that he holds in Atlantic City, there are still some people that see Nucky as a bit player.
Capone taking over really surprised me. If you know any kind of history, you know it happened, but I thought it would come later.
Van Alden ironing that guy's face was awesome. His wife starting him in bootlegging has me guessing a little. Is it the start of a bigger thing? Will it end up costing him in the end? How will it fit in with the turf war in Chicago?
I talked to Karosko in chat about the bombing at the end. The method was surprising but Billie dying was not. Is it just me or does every TV series seem to rush to build up a relationship right before a death scene? I do wonder what kind of emotional response Nucky will have to this though.
I wouldn't say that Capone has taken over just yet, Dave, but they're definitely building towards that by showing Torrio in a more laissez-faire kinda mood upon returning from his vacation.
And while Van Alden's arc has still been extremely frustrating over the life of the series, I'm glad that it finally seems to at least be sort of heading somewhere.
Post by Dave Maynar on Nov 7, 2012 12:01:42 GMT -5
"Taking over" may have been overstating it. Torrio is still the man in charge, but he seems much more content to let Capone do what he wants, i.e. not yelling about him beating dude to death and letting him negotiate the peace with Banion.
And while Van Alden's arc has still been extremely frustrating over the life of the series, I'm glad that it finally seems to at least be sort of heading somewhere.
That dude is my favorite character on BE...loved it this week when he got pushed over the edge
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Nov 12, 2012 21:12:43 GMT -5
This season has really revved up. I'm back to really enjoying this show again.
I think Richard may get brought in to take care of Gyp. I think Margaret and lover-boy are going to have hell to pay here soon. Maybe lover-boy (once again, I apologize on the lack of my knowledge of names) gets killed by Nucky and then Margaret finds out she's pregnant. Huh huh?
Post by Dave Maynar on Nov 14, 2012 7:07:49 GMT -5
BE seems to follow the pattern of the slow build to a large payoff at the end of the season. Now with there being 3 episodes left, things will start moving at a faster pace.
I don't know what to make of Richard's story line. I thought the laughter toward him arriving at the dance with the other vet's daughter was kind of odd. The other vets hadn't seemed like that toward him before, but I may have just forgotten. It makes me wonder if their derision was more the product of the daughter's presence than his. I want to think that Richard breaks free of the criminal aspect of the city, but with Van Alden being pulled back in by O'Bannion, it's probably only a matter of time until the same happens with Richard.
Like you, I am 99.99% sure that things will not turn out well for Owen and Margaret. I don't know if it will mean the death of either or both of them, but I just don't see them riding off into the sunset together to live happily ever after. It would be interesting to see if Nucky's delirium plays into this rather than him finding out through more conventional means. They seemed to hint toward this several times in the episode with some of the stuff Nucky said.
Speaking of which, as karosko alluded to during the episode in tinychat (you vaguespoiling d*ck , Nucky's present physical and mental condition is a nice addition to the building of the apex of the season. Rothstein et al have left him. Owen and Margaret are planning their getaway. Jimmy is gone. Richard is busy with his lady friend. Gillian is obviously out to get him. Mellon and Randolph have a grudging alliance with him but have no interest with his dealing with Gyp. Nucky doesn't have much support right now. He is not a physical presence at the best of times and now, his mind has seemingly left him for the time being as well. Nucky will triumph in the end, but they have set it up to be a difficult road for sure. The two things I see going for Nucky are that Masseria seemingly told Gyp he was not supporting him in his war on Nucky in the scene on the beach and that Lansky and Luciano eventually have to eclipse Rothstein and they have already set up Luciano's potential conflict as an Italian working with Jews.