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I fully understand the reasons why not, but could there be ANY chance that we just go get Jay-Z again? I feel like there's no one bigger or better and if there was going to be any hip hop act to ever play the What Stage 2 years in a row, it would be him. Especially if the new album comes out before Roo.. we never did get to hear that new "Ray Bans" song with Jack White...
I love whenever Inforoo discusses hip-hop, because like 90% of people here are stuck in the late-90's/early-00's "backpack" era and think that things like Common and Talib Kweli are still any good. Both haven't put out a good joint in at least 5 years.
Also, Drake is terrible. If you're going to go that route, at least go with Lil' Wayne who can actually MC as opposed to just talk slowly in monotone over beats made for teenage girls.
Also blows my mind how much Kanye hate there is yet how much people want acts like Kid Cudi, Lupe Fiasco, Wale, etc. there. They flat out wouldn't exist without Kanye (and particularly 808's and Heartbreak, which remains the most influential hip-hop album of the last 3 years that nobody recognizes).
Acts that should play:
- OutKast: Would be a huge event, and a phenomenal stage show. In the event that you don't get the whole 'Kast, just go with Big Boi: his shows this year following the release of SLLF have been amazing.
- The Roots: 4 hour late night showcase. Just let them do their thing.
- Ghostface Killah/ Ghostface & Raekwon/ Wu-Massacre: I like the idea of the whole Wu-Tang clan, but as a whole they're unreliable and generally a muddy stage show. Just too many damn people on stage. Ghost puts on a ridiculously awesome show, as does Method Man (one of the most underrated live MC's out there, IMO), and Rae can be hit or miss but generally kills when paired with Ghost.
- Atmosphere/ Brother Ali/ Freeway/ Ant/ Jake One: Get a Rhymesayers late-night going. Have Freeway & Jake One open, have Ant spin between sets, then follow with Brother Ali and Atmosphere. They'd all collaborate with each other, and they're all great live.
- Curren$y: I have no idea if he's good live, but he dropped one of the best rap albums this year, so yeah, why not. Wiz Khalifa in the same vein.
- Clipse: Should've been there years ago.
Kanye gets 'hate' because of his personality, because he showed up on stange 2 hours late and did about an hour set, has nothing to do with his talent. to say 808 is a great album is pretty laughable, its not, its terrible.
kanye's early stuff has helped to influence lupe, i wont argue that. they both came up in the same scene in chicago. that being said their persona's are much different.
i think wale has talent, however he thinks hes bigger then what he is, and if he keeps showing up hours late hes never gonna make it.
i like kid cudi a lot, hes good in a live setting, and his albums are well done also.
i think kanye's new album is amazing, i respect him as a great artist, doesnt mean i have to respect him as a person.
I think that eminem or outkast would best match up with Jay. I don't think that the 'vibe' point is really valid when discussing Eminem, when you look back at shows like Metallica, NIN, Rise Against...things like that. I think that roo looks to book people based on how well they create an atmosphere and capture the audience, and I think Em would do just that. That being said...would we want to look at acts that align more with the headliners that they would performing before/after, ala: Stevie Wonder>>Jay or Snoop>>Phish. Try and think more show moods that match up possibly?? I don't really see a Paul McCartney>>Eminem Saturday night myself
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Nov 12, 2010 14:42:05 GMT -5
i agree with frank stallone up here. 808s and heartbreak = horrible, but incredibly influential
edit-also agree with frank stallone on the eminem front. new album = absolute garbage. album before that = 50% garbage. and eminem was my favorite rapper of all time up until the release of relapse, hes just lost the passion he had during the marshall mathers LP era that made him the rapper he was. eminem needs to be angry to make his music, and with all the money he has and without kim and his mom fucking his life up he has nothing to rap about
Isn't Eminem supposed to be crappy live?...wasn't there a lip-synching incident at Voodoo '09, or something like that? I hate white rappers.
Pretty sure that ended up being contradicted by several sources, thus just a rumor. Don't want him at Roo though, but would probably take him over Lil Wayne these days.
Either way, if you thought the high school takeover was bad this year, it would be nothing compared to the prom party that would ensue if Eminem or Lil Wayne was at Bonnaroo.
Kanye gets 'hate' because of his personality, because he showed up on stange 2 hours late and did about an hour set, has nothing to do with his talent. to say 808 is a great album is pretty laughable, its not, its terrible.
kanye's early stuff has helped to influence lupe, i wont argue that. they both came up in the same scene in chicago. that being said their persona's are much different.
i think wale has talent, however he thinks hes bigger then what he is, and if he keeps showing up hours late hes never gonna make it.
i like kid cudi a lot, hes good in a live setting, and his albums are well done also.
i think kanye's new album is amazing, i respect him as a great artist, doesnt mean i have to respect him as a person.
People who wouldn't want an artist to perform based on personality or how they respect them as a person are foolish. You're asking them to perform music for you, not spend an afternoon at your tea party.
And I didn't say 808s & Heartbreak was a "great" album. You need to step your reading comprehension game up. I said it was influential, which it absolutely was, for better or worse. It completely made it okay for rappers to suddenly be sensitive/emo/autotuned/sad. You don't get Kid Cudi without it, nor do you get Drake, or Wale, or Lupe's recent stuff, or any number of other imitators. I don't think it's necessarily a good thing (I personally can't stand the album, though pop connoisseurs I know seem to think it's misunderstood genius) and I can't stand emo-arsed rappers like Drake and Cudi, but if you listen to what's come out in the 2 years since 808s, that album made a huge impact.
808 may of influenced wale and cudi, but i dont see the influence on lupe. the cool came out a month after 808, and the two albums arent similar to each other. since then lupe has done one mix tape and has only had a couple of songs leak, which from what hes said will not be included in the next album.
as far as not having to be a great person to be a good live show i agree. that being said, most people on here, their only experience of a kanye show is him being hours late. not once acknowledging the crowd, and then doing a short set. that tends to put a bad taste in your mouth.
about drake, i agree, i think hes crap. i think cudi and wale are good though. both have good mix tapes, for wale i like attention deficit a lot. for cudi, for what man on the moon is, its a very good album, and man on the moon 2 is a pretty good album.
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Post by Mista Don't Play on Nov 12, 2010 15:53:19 GMT -5
I see 808s influence on Kid Cudi. Almost a direct imitation. Neither of which are very good, imo. It definitely paved the way for Drake as well.
I don't see much of an influence on Wale or Lupe. I see Wale as a rapper more in the line of Common and Lupe and maybe Kanye pre-808s, (with a slight personality similar to Kanye, but thats a whole other debate)
Post by A$AP Rosko on Nov 12, 2010 15:57:10 GMT -5
Frank Stallone, Talib Kweli IS good. But I agree with you on a lot of your other points about hip-hop. Namely, that Drake and Kid Cudi suck and that Clipse should be on the farm.
Post by Mista Don't Play on Nov 12, 2010 16:03:58 GMT -5
I was happy for Clipse to finally get a festival nod a year or two ago when they were announced to perform at Coachella. I don't know why they had to cancel.
They would be great at Bonnaroo. I know some would say that they are one dimensional with their crack rap, but their skill alone should get them on the farm. Plus their most recent album showed more depth. They would make for a great late night tent:
Wiz Khalifa > Clipse > Big Boi
But I'm not too sure of the status of the Clipse as a group right now. I know both are trying to pursue solo careers and Pusha T is finding some success under the G.O.O.D. Music label, so time will tell, but I wouldn't get hopes up about it for this next year.
Therefore I will update our late night hip hop tent:
Post by mattlikesrock on Nov 13, 2010 2:15:31 GMT -5
Shad Blue Scholars Outkast Clipse/Pusha T "Lauryn Hill and/or a Fugees reunion" - Agreed And it'd be fun to have some people from the 90's if we could control what they played. Nelly does "Country Grammar", Busta Rhymes doing "that one album I liked", etc.
I was happy for Clipse to finally get a festival nod a year or two ago when they were announced to perform at Coachella. I don't know why they had to cancel.
They would be great at Bonnaroo. I know some would say that they are one dimensional with their crack rap, but their skill alone should get them on the farm. Plus their most recent album showed more depth. They would make for a great late night tent:
Wiz Khalifa > Clipse > Big Boi
But I'm not too sure of the status of the Clipse as a group right now. I know both are trying to pursue solo careers and Pusha T is finding some success under the G.O.O.D. Music label, so time will tell, but I wouldn't get hopes up about it for this next year.
Therefore I will update our late night hip hop tent:
Frank Stallone, Talib Kweli IS good. But I agree with you on a lot of your other points about hip-hop. Namely, that Drake and Kid Cudi suck and that Clipse should be on the farm.
Also, Outkast would definitely headline.
Kweli WAS good, or he's a good MC who currently makes wack songs. Your choice. BlackStar was good (though not the stone classic everyone makes it out to be, let's be honest, that sh*t gets boring), Reflection Eternal was good, about 1/2 of Quality was good, about 1/4 of Beautiful Struggle was good, and he's had a handful of good cuts since then. Dude needs to get with a good producer and stop trying to shoehorn awkward politics into every song he does, and just concentrate on murdering people on the mic.
IS GOOD. Check out the last album and his mixtapes (Maybe a lil of that Lil' Wayne creative syndrome). Completely disagree with you on Beautiful Struggle, but maybe purely a cultural identity difference/taste in music situation. It is true that that he needs to get up on his producers, Hi-Tek has been his only assured bet with some Kanye tracks here and there.
Outkast 2012. Clipse, sure just don't suck up another hip-hop spot that could go to Murs/Felt and I'm good. Cudi and Lupe have there moments; and being a backpacker is way more then what your earliest comment illustrates. or maybe your superior taste in music comes with age and being born in the 80's makes me/others unqualified to see hip-hop otherwise.
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Nov 16, 2010 0:50:38 GMT -5
yeah i could have done without the Akon hook. the beat and the verses were classic Dre though, and that track really just revitalized my hope for Detox. I was ready to be disappointed
When it comes to Kweli, i'm gonna just say we disagree on what we want in our Hip Hop - and that's a fair argument. I think Eardrum is absolutely forgettable but LOVE the latest albums lyricism and more dramatic elements. oh, check out the "Beautiful Mixtape vol 2" when you get the chance some excellent tracks from that tape.
Murs is a dirty, honest individual and that's what I like in my artists // plus 3:16 is my Leno and he brings this fun vibe with him, what can I say
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Post by awolfatthedoor on Nov 16, 2010 14:40:39 GMT -5
Cole World is the debut studio album to be released by American rapper J. Cole. It is scheduled for release during December 2010 on Roc Nation and Columbia Records.[1]
