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Post by Mista Don't Play on Nov 16, 2010 18:24:16 GMT -5
That Dre record wasn't going to be the first single, but due to positive reaction after the leak apparently they are going to roll with it. And Detox is allegedly almost ready to go..
"I see the finish line right now. I'm wrapping it up. I need about two or three more songs and hopefully I'll start the mixing process at the end of next month. And from that point I'm about 30 days out...I felt like I was doing it more out of obligation as opposed to just really feeling it. As of last year, I've been really feeling where it's going and I think I'm ready. Hopefully, I won't disappoint...There was a version of ['Kush'] that leaked that I wasn't really happy about, so we're gonna go on and push it and put it out because everybody seems to like it. I just thought that the content of it, it's about weed smoking, and I don't want people to think that that's what my album is about. This is actually the only song with that type of content in it. It's not a representation of what the album is."
I'm still under 200 posts so I'm not sure if I'm allowed to make big opinion posts yet, but I'm gonna go for this anyway.
So earlier there was a whole thing about Kanye's 808s being hugely influential for the current school of rap new kids, and someone disagreed about Kanye influencing Lupe, because of the timing.
Kanye definitely did influence Lupe, but with College Dropout. Before that album, mainstream rap was an entirely different beast. Its true, without 808s, you wouldn't have the emo dominated scene of today. But without CD, you wouldn't have Food & Liquor, and the mainstream social conscience of hip hop.
Obviously there are exceptions like the Roots and Nas who were in the public eye before, but Kanye was the first hip hop artist to get huge, and more importantly, make it okay to have feelings in the genre. Even Outkast had ghetto sections to fall back on.
Needs to happen. Just posted in Hip Hop wishlist. If it comes out by end of February, you can almost expect a tour right on time. Although I don't expect a big tour (in terms of dates).
Post by Mista Don't Play on Nov 17, 2010 1:00:20 GMT -5
I have to believe that with the publicity on the upswing, Detox will be released within the first quarter of next year. It would be an unbelievable get for Bonnaroo, or any festival, and a huge draw at that.
I have to believe that with the publicity on the upswing, Detox will be released within the first quarter of next year. It would be an unbelievable get for Bonnaroo, or any festival, and a huge draw at that.
I fail to see why the release of Detox would suddenly make Dre a "huge get." For one, Dre doesn't exactly have a reputation for putting on some stellar live/stage show, and for another, we have no idea what Detox will sound like. The stuff that's leaked so far (the first single, plus some random other clips allegedly on the album) aren't really reinventing the genre here. If anything, rather than being an innovator it sounds as if Dre's co-opting the stuff that's been popular of late.
The hype over Dre and the enthusiasm over him coming to Bonnaroo is strange to me. It's the hip-hop equivalent of Guns N' Roses dropping "Chinese Democracy."
Detox may be the hip hop equivalent of Chinese Democracy, but Dre is not the equivalent of Axl. He's considered a legend, not a relic. He'd be a draw with a new album, even if it doesn't live up to the hype.
I have to believe that with the publicity on the upswing, Detox will be released within the first quarter of next year. It would be an unbelievable get for Bonnaroo, or any festival, and a huge draw at that.
I fail to see why the release of Detox would suddenly make Dre a "huge get." For one, Dre doesn't exactly have a reputation for putting on some stellar live/stage show, and for another, we have no idea what Detox will sound like. The stuff that's leaked so far (the first single, plus some random other clips allegedly on the album) aren't really reinventing the genre here. If anything, rather than being an innovator it sounds as if Dre's co-opting the stuff that's been popular of late.
The hype over Dre and the enthusiasm over him coming to Bonnaroo is strange to me. It's the hip-hop equivalent of Guns N' Roses dropping "Chinese Democracy."
yeah except instead of an uprofessional group who released one good album and had a front man whos ego is bigger than the world, its the most important name in hip hop over the last twenty years whos never made a bad record.
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Nov 17, 2010 11:10:15 GMT -5
also, i gotta disagree with you about dre not being a good performer. this performance doesnt really even start until dre hops on the mic, and he kills it
Detox may be the hip hop equivalent of Chinese Democracy, but Dre is not the equivalent of Axl. He's considered a legend, not a relic. He'd be a draw with a new album, even if it doesn't live up to the hype.
yeah except instead of a group who released one good album and had a front man whos ego is bigger than the world its the most important person in hip hop over the last twenty years whos never dropped a bad record.
Two things - first, I think people are overstating Dre's importance in hip-hop. Influential without a doubt and certainly important, but he's nowhere near the level of someone like a Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, or even the Wu or Juvenile (yeah, I said it) in terms of his impact on the last 20 years. The "G-funk" style he helped popularize hasn't really lasted much beyond the mid-90's. Chronic 2001 was great, but I fail to see how it really impacted much of anything outside it's immediate release. It didn't spawn a wave of imitators; if anything, the years after that album dropped were dominated by the rise of southern rap.
Second, I think you're forgetting a) how hugely popular Guns N' Roses was, and b) how anticipated Chinese Democracy was. Everytime a new snippet from that album leaked, people went nuts. The rumors of a GNR reunion tour, even with some bizarre bastardized roster, were greeted with legit enthusiasm. Axl Rose was pretty much considered a legend, and wasn't turned into "relic" status until Chinese Democracy actually dropped and wasn't that good.
Also, the whole "one good album" thing overlooks the fact that Use Your Illusion was way, way underrated. The backlash was so severe that people have been dismissing the whole thing, but both records hold up remarkably well.
without dre you dont have eminem. you dont have N.W.A. you dont have doggystyle, you dont have 50, you dont have the chronic or 2001 (undoubtedly 2 of the greatest and most inventive hip hop albums of their time). i think all of that has a little bigger impact on the outcome of the game as a whole than jay-z and nas's (or Juvenile's LOL) flows that people tried to emulate. notice i didnt use the term influential (although he was highly influential as well) - i said "important"
Post by Mista Don't Play on Nov 17, 2010 12:42:33 GMT -5
^^ I agree with most of that, but...
2001 is a classic across the board, regardless of audience. Yes, Next Episode is still played religiously across college campuses, but that doesn't make the album any less attractive to all fans of hip hop.
Eminem may have found some fame without Dre, but his ability to ride the Dre/2001 wave took him to super stardom
50 Cent, while you may not prefer him or his rapping, has been hugely influential on the 21st century rap game. G-Unit essentially revolutionized the mixtape circuit. While mixtapes existed before they had nowhere near the impact they do now on the genre. And you have to give credit to Dre/Eminem for turning him loose to the mainstream
I agree to a high degree with Juvenile. But I don't think he deserves any more credit than Master P, other than Cash Money is still around, as a conry pop label, but hell neither of those guys would be around if UGK hadn't paved a lane first.
Post by Mista Don't Play on Nov 17, 2010 12:44:58 GMT -5
And Detox doesn't make Dre a huge get for Bonnaroo. Dre would be a huge get with or without Detox in the same way Outkast would be a huge get. Andre 3000 is virtually a ghost these days and we haven't heard any new 'kast in a while, and may never will, but their draw remains huge.
I have to believe that with the publicity on the upswing, Detox will be released within the first quarter of next year. It would be an unbelievable get for Bonnaroo, or any festival, and a huge draw at that.
I fail to see why the release of Detox would suddenly make Dre a "huge get." For one, Dre doesn't exactly have a reputation for putting on some stellar live/stage show, and for another, we have no idea what Detox will sound like. The stuff that's leaked so far (the first single, plus some random other clips allegedly on the album) aren't really reinventing the genre here. If anything, rather than being an innovator it sounds as if Dre's co-opting the stuff that's been popular of late.
The hype over Dre and the enthusiasm over him coming to Bonnaroo is strange to me. It's the hip-hop equivalent of Guns N' Roses dropping "Chinese Democracy."
You saying Dre fell off? How? His last album was The Chronic (2001).
Plus, you need to watch the Up On Smoke tour DVD and then talk about his live show.
I'm still under 200 posts so I'm not sure if I'm allowed to make big opinion posts yet, but I'm gonna go for this anyway.
So earlier there was a whole thing about Kanye's 808s being hugely influential for the current school of rap new kids, and someone disagreed about Kanye influencing Lupe, because of the timing.
Kanye definitely did influence Lupe, but with College Dropout. Before that album, mainstream rap was an entirely different beast. Its true, without 808s, you wouldn't have the emo dominated scene of today. But without CD, you wouldn't have Food & Liquor, and the mainstream social conscience of hip hop.
Obviously there are exceptions like the Roots and Nas who were in the public eye before, but Kanye was the first hip hop artist to get huge, and more importantly, make it okay to have feelings in the genre. Even Outkast had ghetto sections to fall back on.
Just my impression.
if you are referring to me(which i think you are) i didnt say that Kanye didnt influence Lupe, I simply said that 808 wasnt an influence on the cool. in fact in an earlier post I said that Kanye's earlier stuff was an influence on Lupe.
Post by The Wookie Monster on Nov 17, 2010 21:33:49 GMT -5
Jay-Z is the biggest hip hop star of all time. Some come close, but nobody has lived long enough to put out a pedigree like Jay-Z has.
That being said, if it's Dr. Dre and Friends, then we see him headline, but if it's Dr. Dre himself, I imagine What Stage similar to Snoop Dogg, but maybe in a different time slot.
Detox may be the hip hop equivalent of Chinese Democracy, but Dre is not the equivalent of Axl. He's considered a legend, not a relic. He'd be a draw with a new album, even if it doesn't live up to the hype.
yeah except instead of a group who released one good album and had a front man whos ego is bigger than the world its the most important person in hip hop over the last twenty years whos never dropped a bad record.
Two things - first, I think people are overstating Dre's importance in hip-hop. Influential without a doubt and certainly important, but he's nowhere near the level of someone like a Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, or even the Wu or Juvenile (yeah, I said it) in terms of his impact on the last 20 years. The "G-funk" style he helped popularize hasn't really lasted much beyond the mid-90's. Chronic 2001 was great, but I fail to see how it really impacted much of anything outside it's immediate release. It didn't spawn a wave of imitators; if anything, the years after that album dropped were dominated by the rise of southern rap.
Second, I think you're forgetting a) how hugely popular Guns N' Roses was, and b) how anticipated Chinese Democracy was. Everytime a new snippet from that album leaked, people went nuts. The rumors of a GNR reunion tour, even with some bizarre bastardized roster, were greeted with legit enthusiasm. Axl Rose was pretty much considered a legend, and wasn't turned into "relic" status until Chinese Democracy actually dropped and wasn't that good.
Also, the whole "one good album" thing overlooks the fact that Use Your Illusion was way, way underrated. The backlash was so severe that people have been dismissing the whole thing, but both records hold up remarkably well.
first off, let me distance myself from the Dre being the "most important person in hip hop over the last twenty years" statement, but nobody was puttin him in league with Biggie/Tupac or Jay Z/Nas except you guessed it, Frank Stallone...
It's no big deal tha G Funk era didn't last, hip hop is all about reinvention. Dre's still relevant, has a significant back catalogue, can bring guests galore, & will have new material.
Axl sat on the toilet for 17 years and only succeeded in taking an unimpressive dump all over his career.
just downloaded "kush" on itunes so dre has a legit single out off of "detox"...and kush is bangin...hope we can smoke some kush on the farm while listening to dre perform this song!
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Nov 18, 2010 18:18:33 GMT -5
realistically though if dre DOES make a festival performance, it will be at coachella. why would dre come to tennessee in the blazing heat to perform for a bunch of hippies when he can show california love to his home state. it would almost be an insult to cali if he played bonnaroo and not coachella
It's no Forgot About Dre, but if this is the direction Detox is going in it's not too bad. I could do without the session-vocalist-power-chorous though.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
Post by Mista Don't Play on Nov 19, 2010 1:09:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure where that track is from, I know it just surfaced, but I don't think its from Detox. Dre didn't produce, or even assist, in the production. Its all done by Alex da Kid. And there is 2 Em verses to 1 for Dre. I'm guessing this is for the re-release of Recovery.
