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Plus, Mafia doesn't have to wait until the last minute to make a discission on who to whack. They could have desiced on Kdogg earlier in the week and in 3 of them could have PMed Bacon.
Actually, this was one of the reasons that I was thinking Jack might have been innocent. I was thinking that the mafia was waiting for some indication of Jack checking in before they submitted their kill for the night. It's why I posted this:
So, Jack hasn't said anything since May 22 at 9:55 p.m., and EAP hasn't said anything since May 20 at 7:57 p.m.
Just an observation.
I thought maybe it might get things moving.
Haha. Interesting. That was a much longer time frame then the one between round 2 and Kdogg's death. I wondered why they took so long. Hmmm, Nobody speculate about this please. That's the last thing we need.
We absolutely should but we also have to keep in mind that not all the mafia are likely to be on the list of people she voted for or the list of those who voted for her.
For example, if she hit upon Jack by random vote and was given Sarah's name. We can be pretty sure that a third mafia never voted for EAP. So we need to start looking elsewhere in case we find ourselves in round 5 with everyone on this list dead and the game still going.
All this is is an echo of what I said in my post.
Yes it is because you edited and expanded on your point as I was writing a response. So I basically just gave an example of the original bit you wrote before your example. Or something??? Yeah, it was kind of a mafia hivemind.
Nope, Kdogg was a townie. I was just bringing that up as a possible angle. That Kdogg could have been way off and they killed him to make us think other wise.
In a way that makes me feel better.
I've been suspicious of Jhamm from the beginning because of his inferences that I (or Bek) was Mafia. I became suspicious of noage recently for reasons similar to LLL's recent post. I still don't think that Bek is mafia. If there was a runoff this round I would rather have it be Jhamm and noage because I think at least one of them is Mafia.
Edit: I just realized that I didn't answer your question as whether Kdogg was killed as a smokescreen because he was leaning the wrong way and the Mafia wanted to make it look like he was leaning the right way. I think he was leaning the right way and I think NBF is too.
To be fair, Jhamm really didn't bring you up very often early on. He was pretty much parroting what Kdogg was saying from what I remember.
ALSO, If you think NBF is leaning the right way, then you might want to rethink your stance on Bek and yourself.
An FYI to everyone:
I'm not necessarily against Jhamm being voted off but I have to say I'm uncomfortable voting along with Bek and Quacker. At this point it's mostly Bek because I'm not satisfied or swayed with her answers.
Both Bek and Quacker refused to acknowledge Kdogg being the original one to scrutinize them. However, they were both happy to bring up Jham based on a single post, where he simply said he would've like to see those two in a runoff. I'm not sure if both are guilty but I'm pretty sure there is something weird going on with it.
I'm still reading back but I'm fine with this switch. Maybe, Noage will actually step up and do something. I'd like to point out that he has the same number of posts as EAP. His original reason for voting her into the runoff was how quite she was.
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Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Jun 1, 2011 2:01:29 GMT -5
SFA, I would like to point out that Quacker has mimicked EVERYTHING that YOU have done this whole round. First you set NoAge up as a primo suspect, and he followed. Then you set up Jhamm, and he followed. Initially you had been all up in NoAge's azz because of the EAP association, (which I agree with 100%, hence my vote for NoAge) and now you are willing to vote off another player rather than change your vote from Jhamm back to NoAge, who you tried to set up as being suspicious. At least you would be setting up a run-off then.
And you sat on this vote until 100am, knowing that there are only a few of us up at this time to counter your vote, as Bacon is going to close voting by morning. You have already told me that a player who sits on a game changing vote like this is suspicious.
You were, up until this point, the ONLY player I was sure was a townie with me. That's why I asked for your opinion earlier. However, your constant vote changing bothered me. At least when you would go back to someone you had voted for in the first place, I can see that you had just worked through it in your mind and was going back to someone you already suspected. But you just went from being pretty convincing in your statements about NoAge, to making everyone look at Jhamm because you were the FIRST in this round to vote for him, to offing a completely different player.
I need an explanation please, because I cannot make any sense of it, except that you are becoming the number one vote changing, dirt kicking up player, which now makes me question your motive.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
SFA, I would like to point out that Quacker has mimicked EVERYTHING that YOU have done this whole round. First you set NoAge up as a primo suspect, and he followed. Then you set up Jhamm, and he followed. Initially you had been all up in NoAge's azz because of the EAP association, (which I agree with 100%, hence my vote for NoAge) and now you are willing to vote off another player rather than change your vote from Jhamm back to NoAge, who you tried to set up as being suspicious. At least you would be setting up a run-off then.
How am I responsible for quacker's voting and do you really think I haven't noticed him changing votes behind me? Actually, I switched from Noage to Jham because of YOU and quacker. I gave my reasons then(Not stacking votes). Not just for the vote switch but for what I was hoping the townspeople could accomplish this round.
How exactly did I set Noage or Jhamm up? They are legitimate suspects. Would you rather me have brought you up? Also, I'm pretty sure I've never been up in Noage's ass. If I had he would have felt it and probable publicly complained about it.
And you sat on this vote until 100am, knowing that there are only a few of us up at this time to counter your vote, as Bacon is going to close voting by morning. You have already told me that a player who sits on a game changing vote like this is suspicious.
Asking others people to contribute isn't sitting on a vote. I have been very vocal about getting others to force runoffs. I've tried to get the townsfolk to be more talkative.
I wasn't sitting on this vote, just like the first round. I set back hoping someone would switch votes before me. I was trying to see if I could find allies or spot enemies.
I got frustrated and just went ahead with voting Bek. I stand by it. This game has been so confusing that I don't see why making a round ending vote should be scrutinized over a suspicious player's excuse that he'd rather sit back and make none.
So I went ahead and made it....
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But you just went from being pretty convincing in your statements about NoAge, to making everyone look at Jhamm because you were the FIRST in this round to vote for him, to offing a completely different player.
This is a very true.
NBF brought to light something I wasn't seeing through all the dirt kicking.
All I can say is my first post in this round was made to try to rally the townspeople together and try to make some sense out of this crazy mess. NBF made one of the most logical post I'd seen in the game and it made me change my thought process.
The more people she has in the run off, the bigger her chance of survival.
At this point, a retaliation vote is as good as any to me. superbek>>>jhamm
I understand if noage or LLL want to change their vote to put me in a run off. I accept that but I hope people will come to their senses.
Yeah, obviously you and quacker aren't working together in any way.
My vote is staying the same, but I urge someone to change their vote, creating to runoff between me and bek. I am certain that I will die at this point, either in the runoff or by assassination, but with another runoff, you will get to see where everyone stands.
LLL can if she wants to, but I'm not making any game changing decisions. I do not know who to trust and I am really not sure about who is guilty and who isn't.
I'm not saying you should change your vote, but to add a different perspective, by not changing your vote, you kind of are making a game changing decision because you are allowing bek to have the deciding vote to kill off jhammett.
Please read the above townspeople. My cogs are starting to turn in a different way here. Note that Kdogg had started in on Jhammett and NBF before he was killed of.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I think that we should still at least still look at the players NAMED by EAP, not just the players who voted for EAP. The reason I say that, besides the fact that I voted for EAP and am a townsperson, is that I am convinced that Mafia split their vote, and that at least one, possibly two voted for Sarah. That's why I think looking at who SHE fingered via vote and comment is more effective. It just so happens that three of the ones she named also voted for her. I remain convinced that IF she was Inspector, then she voted for or mentioned the name she had in hand. That was my reason for getting rid of Jack. I'm not convinced about Sarah, but that was a possibilty too. And that is why NoAge comes to mind, and lastly Quacker (however I think Quacker hit the nail on the head with one of his prior posts). I agree with SFA, that we may be shooting ourselves in the foot, but if we are convinced that EAP was Inspector, that is the most concrete evidence we have of who has the greater probability of being Mafia. I will change this line of thinking if someone points out a more convincing pattern. I also suspect that, as long as Kdogg wasn't a smoke screen Mafia, that one of two other players is Mafia. But the last player who started digging into it got whacked, so I'm keeping mum.
I'm curious, of the two people we townspeople have voted off, who does everyone else think was more likely to be Mafia? Sarah Jack Sarah AND Jack
Anyone have any hunches?
I feel more sure on Sarah than I do on Jack.
As far as looking at the people EAP named, the problem with that is that she only knew 1 name. So, her naming people or voting for people is likely a good way to get led down the wrong path because even if she was inspector, I think it's pretty common for an inspector to guess wrong on Night 1, which means that it's possible that the only person she was right about naming was the one person whose name she had. Unfortunately, we don't know who that name was, but based on the things she said and the way she played as inspector before, I think it's pretty likely that it was either Sarah's or Jack's. Not that we should discount the other people she mentioned entirely, but I just wouldn't put this much stock in the fact that she mentioned them.
I also don't think that Jhammett is the right person to put in a run-off. He is one of the lowest on my suspect lists, and Bek has three players ahead of her who I find to be more likely Mafia.
So, those three people have to be among me, quacker, noage, and SFA. I'm assuming that since you said that up until today/last night, you were sure SFA was innocent, you probably still don't rank him among the highest. Am I in that group for voting for kdogg in the Jack/kdogg vote or do you have some other reason for suspecting me more than bek?
As far as looking at the people EAP named, the problem with that is that she only knew 1 name. So, her naming people or voting for people is likely a good way to get led down the wrong path because even if she was inspector, I think it's pretty common for an inspector to guess wrong on Night 1, which means that it's possible that the only person she was right about naming was the one person whose name she had. Unfortunately, we don't know who that name was, but based on the things she said and the way she played as inspector before, I think it's pretty likely that it was either Sarah's or Jack's. Not that we should discount the other people she mentioned entirely, but I just wouldn't put this much stock in the fact that she mentioned them.
Here are my concerns, IF Sarah was Mafia, I can kind of see how you guys are getting the Bek/Quacker connection, since they were the original run-off threat in the first round and Sarah moved for the expansion of the run-off, thus possibly protecting Bek and Quacker. Or, Mike D told her that it was better to have more players in that run-off. Or she took heed to your advice
well of course I am voting for kdogg but I really hope someone considers changing their vote so that we can get a run off...
I think my instinct would be to put quacker into a runoff right now, but if I change my vote to him, it does no good. I think a runoff is a good idea. Like SFA, I don't know who's best to put in the runoff, but a runoff is going to be a lot more telling than just having kdogg voted off.
Bek, I think you are voting for kdogg because he's your regular voting partner and you don't have a lot of good options, but I'm not sure of a better way to go for a runoff than putting the person in who put in the first person. (Too much beer to say this better.)
NBF >>> jhammett >>> superbek (I also hope someone additional changes his/her vote to get at least a third person into the runoff, and preferably a fourth[
Sarah then proposed the vote change to NoAge, who concurred, and changed to EAP. EAP returned the favor, now placing NoAge in the run-off with Quacker and Bek. Sarah then took NoAge out of the run-off and put you in. Thus, if Sarah were Mafia, it seems that she may be protecting NoAge here, she said a run-off would be better, had a run-off right there, but still went for you instead. I wonder if EAP wasn't just returning the favor though, and if NoAge was the name she had. I think that Sarah pulling NoAge out of the run-off really perked up EAP's ears though, and that is why she ended up sending Sarah in. This is why NoAge is the player I see as being more likely Mafia among who is left. And, just after voting for NoAge, she said this
oh .i guess quacker would be my only other choice.
what do you guys think?
The main reason I am unsure of the theory you and SFA seem to have about Bek/Quacker is that both Quacker and Bek then voted for Sarah in the run-off which seems like the sh*ttiest thing team members could do, especially after she just made her self look suspicious by suggesting an expansion of the run-off. So I just can't wrap my head around the connection. Maybe you all are just cold blooded serious-azz Mafia gamesters and these sort of moves are normal.
I feel very uncomfortable watching players who I think are townspeople get voted off, and even more frustrated when I see that players I think are Mafia getting voted for , then possibly in a run-off, to having only one vote. That is why I was hoping someone (SFA namely, or even Quacker if he is not Mafia), would change their votes back to who they were voting for in the first place, at least making a runoff that involves someone who CLEARLY looks like he is the number one suspect for being Mafia. I also saw your and Jhammett's post about creating a run-off, and you all seem to press for run-offs all of the time. I really didn't think you would appreciate having a player change his vote in the middle of the night and then Bacon say he was closing voting in the morning. That is why I nulled my vote. My hopes were that NoAge would be put into the run-off so that we would have a better choice. I was hoping someone would post something that would give me some suggestions as to whether initiating a run-off is a good idea, or if it was the intent of the townspeople to have Bek voted off. No one has said one way or another.
EDIT: Changed NBF quote to the correct quote I was addressing.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I also don't think that Jhammett is the right person to put in a run-off. He is one of the lowest on my suspect lists, and Bek has three players ahead of her who I find to be more likely Mafia.
So, those three people have to be among me, quacker, noage, and SFA. I'm assuming that since you said that up until today/last night, you were sure SFA was innocent, you probably still don't rank him among the highest. Am I in that group for voting for kdogg in the Jack/kdogg vote or do you have some other reason for suspecting me more than bek?
Quacker is def a worry of mine, I just outlined my reasons above. NoAge is as well, see above. My concern about you is indeed your Jack/Kdogg vote. You SAY that you think Jack is surely a Mafia suspect, but you voted for Kdogg?
I am positive that there is Mafia playing the outside, disassociating themselves from the other suspects and creating muck and dust and nonsense to confuse us all. I have associations with the EAP voters, and I know I'm not Mafia. That left Kdogg, You or SFA. Kdogg was killed off, and although he may be Mafia, he was probably not and he was really starting to nip at you before he did get killed off. Even Quacker said that the chances were high that either you or Kdogg or both were Mafia, and I tend to agree.
I just went back through the first round, and after reading it, and keeping the above thought in mind, I am now concerned about how you and Jhammett orchestrated your votes so well to benefit one another. Jhammett saved you from the run-off to vote for Sarah, you changed your vote from Jhammett to vote for Bek, J-hammett proposed a run-off between just Quacker and Bek.
And then you both voted for Sarah, a new player. And you chose to not vote for Jack, a player who our probable Inspector seem to be implicating.
LLL>>>>>>Jhammett
If for no other reason then to start a run-off, but also because I need to digest the above.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Jun 1, 2011 22:22:33 GMT -5
I was trying to quote #427 but hit modify instead and lost everything that I had in that post. I know that SFA and NBF have read it, and for anyone who did not read it, I was saying that I was uncomfortable allowing a player to be voted off during the middle of the night, and then the voting ending by morning time, before anyone of the townspeople would have a chance to see it and possibly change their votes. I quoted NBF and JHammett because both of those posts were supporting a run-off, and NBF is stating pointing out that Jhammett was going to be voted off with no chance at a run-off.
I also don't think that Jhammett is the right person to put in a run-off. He is one of the lowest on my suspect lists, and Bek has three players ahead of her who I find to be more likely Mafia.
I was pointing out that the run-off that would be created would make me uncomfortable because it was between two players I found to be pretty benign. And did not want to initiate the run-off myself because I felt that the wrong people were in the run-off and we were not being given the choice between a Mafia and a townsperson, or even two Mafia, but rather two townspeople.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Jun 1, 2011 22:24:03 GMT -5
However, upon reading through everything I came to this conclusion (and ended up modifying my previous post instead of just quoting it because I hid "Modify" instead of "Quote") At any rate, here is what I am trying to point out.
The more people she has in the run off, the bigger her chance of survival.
At this point, a retaliation vote is as good as any to me. superbek>>>jhamm
I understand if noage or LLL want to change their vote to put me in a run off. I accept that but I hope people will come to their senses.
Yeah, obviously you and quacker aren't working together in any way.
My vote is staying the same, but I urge someone to change their vote, creating to runoff between me and bek. I am certain that I will die at this point, either in the runoff or by assassination, but with another runoff, you will get to see where everyone stands.
LLL can if she wants to, but I'm not making any game changing decisions. I do not know who to trust and I am really not sure about who is guilty and who isn't.
I'm not saying you should change your vote, but to add a different perspective, by not changing your vote, you kind of are making a game changing decision because you are allowing bek to have the deciding vote to kill off jhammett.
Please read the above townspeople. My cogs are starting to turn in a different way here. Note that Kdogg had started in on Jhammett and NBF before he was killed of.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I will admit that I'd forgotten I'd posted that, and that could be where she got the idea for expanding the runoff. I'm not convinced it's true though because I still think that if she was innocent, it is likely that she would have felt uncomfortable expanding the runoff because she wouldn't have wanted to have to pick someone out. But maybe I'm wrong.
Sarah then proposed the vote change to NoAge, who concurred, and changed to EAP. EAP returned the favor, now placing NoAge in the run-off with Quacker and Bek. Sarah then took NoAge out of the run-off and put you in. Thus, if Sarah were Mafia, it seems that she may be protecting NoAge here, she said a run-off would be better, had a run-off right there, but still went for you instead.
This is similar to what EAP argued in Day 1. I don't think she was protecting Noage, though. She had suggested to him that they both switch their votes to expand the runoff. If he had changed his vote and then she left him in the runoff, that would have been totally shady.
I wonder if EAP wasn't just returning the favor though, and if NoAge was the name she had. I think that Sarah pulling NoAge out of the run-off really perked up EAP's ears though, and that is why she ended up sending Sarah in. This is why NoAge is the player I see as being more likely Mafia among who is left. And, just after voting for NoAge, she said this
I can't tell if she is referring to her vote, or Quackers post
For some reason the meep moop post didn't quote, but I don't think she was referring to anything. I think she was just saying nonsense because she'd been accused of being quiet.
oh .i guess quacker would be my only other choice.
what do you guys think?
It's possible that she had quacker's name and she wanted to see how other people reacted to that question. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure, but did she have any other options than quacker at that point?
The main reason I am unsure of the theory you and SFA seem to have about Bek/Quacker is that both Quacker and Bek then voted for Sarah in the run-off which seems like the sh*ttiest thing team members could do, especially after she just made her self look suspicious by suggesting an expansion of the run-off. So I just can't wrap my head around the connection. Maybe you all are just cold blooded serious-azz Mafia gamesters and these sort of moves are normal.
Bek waited until she didn't have to make a decision, and she voted for Sarah when it was already totally clear that Sarah was going to be voted off. I've definitely voted for fellow mafia in the first rounds of games before. Sometimes, it's just what you have to do.
I feel very uncomfortable watching players who I think are townspeople get voted off, and even more frustrated when I see that players I think are Mafia getting voted for , then possibly in a run-off, to having only one vote. That is why I was hoping someone (SFA namely, or even Quacker if he is not Mafia), would change their votes back to who they were voting for in the first place, at least making a runoff that involves someone who CLEARLY looks like he is the number one suspect for being Mafia.
Have I mentioned yet in this game that I don't trust anyone who thinks anybody is clearly anything in mafia? I don't.
I also saw your and Jhammett's post about creating a run-off, and you all seem to press for run-offs all of the time. I really didn't think you would appreciate having a player change his vote in the middle of the night and then Bacon say he was closing voting in the morning. That is why I nulled my vote. My hopes were that NoAge would be put into the run-off so that we would have a better choice. I was hoping someone would post something that would give me some suggestions as to whether initiating a run-off is a good idea, or if it was the intent of the townspeople to have Bek voted off. No one has said one way or another.
Runoffs are generally helpful. Personally, I was ok with bek being killed, or I wouldn't have voted for her.
However, upon reading through everything I came to this conclusion (and ended up modifying my previous post instead of just quoting it because I hid "Modify" instead of "Quote") At any rate, here is what I am trying to point out.
Yeah, obviously you and quacker aren't working together in any way.
My vote is staying the same, but I urge someone to change their vote, creating to runoff between me and bek. I am certain that I will die at this point, either in the runoff or by assassination, but with another runoff, you will get to see where everyone stands.
I'm not saying you should change your vote, but to add a different perspective, by not changing your vote, you kind of are making a game changing decision because you are allowing bek to have the deciding vote to kill off jhammett.
Please read the above townspeople. My cogs are starting to turn in a different way here. Note that Kdogg had started in on Jhammett and NBF before he was killed of.
Are others seeing something going on here?
(the quote box was mine, but when I quoted LLL's post, the stuff identifying it as mine didn't come up)
I find it odd that you say this because I agree that kdogg was starting to be more suspect of jhammett, but from the way I saw it, kdogg and I were just starting to agree before he got killed.
So, those three people have to be among me, quacker, noage, and SFA. I'm assuming that since you said that up until today/last night, you were sure SFA was innocent, you probably still don't rank him among the highest. Am I in that group for voting for kdogg in the Jack/kdogg vote or do you have some other reason for suspecting me more than bek?
Quacker is def a worry of mine, I just outlined my reasons above. NoAge is as well, see above. My concern about you is indeed your Jack/Kdogg vote. You SAY that you think Jack is surely a Mafia suspect, but you voted for Kdogg?
When I voted for kdogg, I highly suspected him because of his trying so hard to make a case against Jack. At the time, he seemed more suspect to me than Jack, and even now, I don't know one way or the other about Jack. I kept my vote for kdogg because his declaration that a vote for him was a vote that EAP was inspector really, really, really rubbed me the wrong way. It seemed to me like a way of trying to make people seem guilty just because they disagreed with him, and it made me more suspicious of him than I already was. It seems that I was most likely wrong about him, but I don't think my vote for him was suspicious.
I am positive that there is Mafia playing the outside, disassociating themselves from the other suspects and creating muck and dust and nonsense to confuse us all. I have associations with the EAP voters, and I know I'm not Mafia. That left Kdogg, You or SFA. Kdogg was killed off, and although he may be Mafia, he was probably not and he was really starting to nip at you before he did get killed off.
Like I said above, kdogg and I had been back and forth at each other for awhile but were just starting to get on the same page when he was killed off.
I just went back through the first round, and after reading it, and keeping the above thought in mind, I am now concerned about how you and Jhammett orchestrated your votes so well to benefit one another. Jhammett saved you from the run-off to vote for Sarah, you changed your vote from Jhammett to vote for Bek, J-hammett proposed a run-off between just Quacker and Bek.
And then you both voted for Sarah, a new player. And you chose to not vote for Jack, a player who our probable Inspector seem to be implicating.
I only voted for jhammett in the beginning because I've not had an established voting partner in the past, but we voted for each other in the first round last game, so I figured I'd stick with it. I changed to bek because we needed to have a runoff rather than just killing off kdogg (who, by the way, apparently was innocent but was going to get killed if we didn't have a runoff). I don't know why jhammett switched his vote from me to Sarah. Actually, I said at the time that I thought it was strange. I voted for Sarah because I thought some things were going on with her that seemed suspicious. If I were mafia, I'd have wanted to keep around Sarah because of her being a new player. And I didn't really think at the time that EAP was implicating Jack. Even if I thought she was inspector, I also thought it was pretty rare for the inspector to vote first off for the name she had. After going back later, I realized that EAP had previously voted for the person whose name she had when she was inspector, so I thought that she might have had Jack's name. I still think, though, that it's not the most likely scenario.
In an effort to defend myself, and better outline my mafia thesis, I have spent the last 45 minutes compiling a post that lists every important vote I have made in chronological order, and simple explination as to why I voted that way. I have also included votes against me, the vote tallys for each round and runoff. Take it for what you will.
Sorry, I had a really busy weekend, and I am presently at software conference. I will check in twice a day, and try my best to remember to vote when I need to. That said, the people I wanted to see in the run off were quacker and bek, and since my vote for NBF is putting her in harms way, without a good reason, I am going to change my vote.
JHammett >>> NBF >>> Popsicle Sara
Lady Popsicle, I am not trying to accuse you of anything, and currently hold no ill will torwards you. I am voting for you because as it sits, you have 0 votes, and therefore my vote is not throwing you into a runoff.
I changed my original vote (from NBF) to Sarah, to save NBF from a runoff, as I felt she was innocent.
Because I never intended to push Popsicle Sarah into a runoff, I will change my vote.
JHammett >>> NBF >>> Popsicle Sarah >>> Bek
Sorry, gotta side with KDogg on this one.
I changed my vote in the runoff, because I accidentally pushed Popsicle Sarah into the runoff. I voted for Bek, and kept my vote for her, because I thought it strange how she and Quacker both voted for Kdogg. I know she changed her vote later, possibly in an attempt to avoid suspician, but is still found that exchange to be extremely fishy.
Sorry for my lack of posting, I couldn't get on the internet in the hotel starting Thursday afternoon. Im back home now though, and my vote, atleast for now, is staying with Bek. But it looks like we will have another runoff.
My explination for not posting more during this time.
I want to wait and see what bek does before I make my move.
At this point Quacker had voted for sarah. Still feeling that bek and Quacker where working together, i suspected that bek would vote for EAP, to dismiss and suspician. In this post, I made a mistake, and SAID that I wanted to see what bek did before voting. I shouldn't have said that, and just waited it out.
Well I was wanting Bek to vote so I could how she acted, see if she stacked against Sarah, or voted for EAP. After reading through the thread, I feel that both are likely innocent, but I feel that EAP is more innocent, she got dragged into this mess for defending herself. I don't believe either of these 2 ladies are mafia, but I have to vote for one of them, so I vote for Sarah.
JHammett >>> Sarah
18 hours, and 13 posts later, not a peep from bek, so I decided to go ahead an vote. I still feel that both Sarah and EAP were innocent, but found EAP to be more innocent, so I voted for sarah.
NoAge, why do you vote for me as your "placeholder", when I have already voted for someone else, and in all likelyhood have a return vote coming? I find the way you just tried to sneak it in there quite suspicious.
As of right now, I agree with this. Do you have any theories about Kdogg or EAP?
I'm thinking that EAP was the Inspector and had Jack's name but Sarah got her suspicious with her runoff manipulation the first day. EAP's vote against Jack on the first day might belie the fact that she was the Inspector but she did that under the guise of a voting partnership. I'm not sure if Sarah was Mafia. I think Kdogg was figuring things out and was duly whacked as a result. My gut tells me Jack was Mafia and after rereading the thread Jhamm seems the most suspicious to me.
Even thought this will raise suspicion towards me and also probably throw me into the runoff, I'm changing my vote.
What do you think Sarah's motivation was for expanding the runoff? She had to have some reason for doing so.
The more people she has in the run off, the bigger her chance of survival.
At this point, a retaliation vote is as good as any to me. superbek>>>jhamm
I understand if noage or LLL want to change their vote to put me in a run off. I accept that but I hope people will come to their senses.
Here is Bek Voting for me.
Hopefully I didn't leave anything out.
My Thesis
I believe that one Mafia member is dead, and the last two alive are bek and quacker. I could be completely wrong on this, but if you look at their voting histories, I think you will have a decent idea where I am coming from.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Jun 2, 2011 1:54:42 GMT -5
Also, I should to note to anyone who didn't get to read the post that I modified instead of quoting, I originally NULLED my vote altogether, in hopes that SFA would change his vote from Bek or JHammett back to NoAge, and because Bacon was closing the round in the morning and there was a sudden vote change that no one else could see. My decision for Jhammett instead of a null comes because of what I discovered putting all of this together, and because no one else was going to change so that we could have a run-off.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Jun 2, 2011 2:02:10 GMT -5
Yesterday at 9:04pm, lovelucklaughter wrote: I feel very uncomfortable watching players who I think are townspeople get voted off, and even more frustrated when I see that players I think are Mafia getting voted for , then possibly in a run-off, to having only one vote. That is why I was hoping someone (SFA namely, or even Quacker if he is not Mafia), would change their votes back to who they were voting for in the first place, at least making a runoff that involves someone who CLEARLY looks like he is the number one suspect for being Mafia.
NBF----
Have I mentioned yet in this game that I don't trust anyone who thinks anybody is clearly anything in mafia? I don't.
Oh I think you have in the previous game, and I totally feel you on that point, and that is why I qualified it with LOOKS, instead of IS.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I changed my vote in the runoff, because I accidentally pushed Popsicle Sarah into the runoff. I voted for Bek, and kept my vote for her, because I thought it strange how she and Quacker both voted for Kdogg. I know she changed her vote later, possibly in an attempt to avoid suspician, but is still found that exchange to be extremely fishy.
This is one of the first reasons why I was suspicious of you. How was it strange that bek and quacker both voted for kdogg? Bek votes for kdogg in the first round of every game they play together (except once, but that was unusual circumstances). I don't think there was anything suspicious about her doing it this time. Of the two, a better argument for quacker being suspicious because of his vote for kdogg could be made, but I still didn't think at the time that was particularly suspicious. So, it appeared to me that you were saying that those two were suspicious because you were just blindly following kdogg's lead, which to me made you suspicious.
Nevertheless, while I don't think bek's initial vote for kdogg was at all suspicious, I do find her suspicious now for reasons I have already said.
Yesterday at 9:04pm, lovelucklaughter wrote: I feel very uncomfortable watching players who I think are townspeople get voted off, and even more frustrated when I see that players I think are Mafia getting voted for , then possibly in a run-off, to having only one vote. That is why I was hoping someone (SFA namely, or even Quacker if he is not Mafia), would change their votes back to who they were voting for in the first place, at least making a runoff that involves someone who CLEARLY looks like he is the number one suspect for being Mafia.
NBF----
Have I mentioned yet in this game that I don't trust anyone who thinks anybody is clearly anything in mafia? I don't.
Oh I think you have in the previous game, and I totally feel you on that point, and that is why I qualified it with LOOKS, instead of IS.
Yeah, you still said CLEARLY in all caps, which to me puts more emphasis on that part instead of the "looks" part.
If you were only going to pick one thing out of what I said to respond to, I wish it had been my response to you saying that kdogg was starting to nip at me before he got killed instead of this part.
This is exactly the spot I didn't want to be in but oh well. I am more suspicious of Bek, but really could see either being mafia. If anyone want to present any arguments for one or the other, please do so. Until then:
If you were only going to pick one thing out of what I said to respond to, I wish it had been my response to you saying that kdogg was starting to nip at me before he got killed instead of this part.
I have to admit, I could see it your way too. But, primarily because Kdogg seems to have a sort of projectile vomiting-esque style of playing Mafia. He sort of aims the gun of blame onto everyone, and we just have to hope that someone comes out alive from under his blanket of suspicion. So, all I can say is that he was certainly engaging you heavily, with some finger pointing and with some understanding.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
No fucking way is this game going to conclude before Bonnaroo if bacon is at another festival. The Referee will have been absent in excess of 36 hours, itself deserving of a strike against him. The status quo guarantees this game will not conclude before Bonnaroo.
Therefore, I am taking drastic, unprecedented action.
I declare myself Acting Referee for the remaining weekday hours in the absence of the duly elected Referee. I shall exercise the following powers: - to receive communications from the Mafia and Inspector - to execute Mafia and Inspector actions based on PMs received - to close voting in the event that all surviving players have voted by midnight, and provided that no ongoing discussion is taking place I merely intend to speed the game along. I shall return power to duly elected Referee Bacon at 11:59pm Sunday.
If any of you have a problem with this, you can buy me a beer.
Inspector, PM me your guess. Mafia, PM me your victim.
No shenanigans; I know what's what. (Facebook is preferred because I'll get a notification on my phone - and that's giving nothing away because I am friends with everyone involved in this game.)
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