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^ but dude... have you pondered EVERY POSSIBLE BIT OF MINUTIAE? I mean, despite your heretofore thorough dissection of every post and your subsequent hypothesizing in regards to each player's input (and lack thereof), you have neglected to factor in critical details like wind speed, relative humidity, barometric pressure, pollen count, etc.
It seems that you are not taking this game seriously enough.
Are there any facts in mafia? In my opinion there aren't... except for when the game is over and the ref reveals everyone's roles. Otherwise you are going to either accept what people say or you aren't. Your choice dude, I'm not twisting your arm.
Yes, there are. The mafia whacks are facts. The choices and votes we all make are facts. The consequences of those choices are facts.
Yup, the mafia whacks, everyone's choices, and everyone's votes did happen so I guess technically they ARE facts... but in the case of mafia members they are meant to deceive so I can't honestly look at any vote or whack and know what the fuck we are supposed to think about it. Sorry. I guess I'm just not as good at reading through the deception as you are.
For the record, I've never been adamant about anyone's guilt, but the more defensive you get with ever post makes me think I'm on to something.
Says the young lady that threw a hissy fit and voted for herself.
Yeah, I lost it. I never once denied that. I hate this game. I'm never playing again. I've said this. The fact that you keep harping on it and saying that I did the same thing last game (which isn't true - I've gone back and read) makes you look like an ass. (I'm not trying to be harsh here, but GEEZ you've brought it up like 3 or 4 times now).
I'm never playing this game again, I stand by saying that. I genuinely like everyone that's playing this mafia game and I know there are some of you who are lying... who are being complete assholes just because the game calls for it and I FUCKING HATE it. I can't wait til it's over. I'm hoping I'm right about you being the last mafia so that happens sooner rather than later.
But they will vote for me and make snarky commits instead of discussing things with any sense of actually trying to figure things out.
Snarky, yeah I've picked up on that too.
Just because you are "discussing" doesn't mean you are having any "sense" of actually trying to figure things out. Maybe you are trying to spout "sense" to deceive the 6 of us because you know it's gonna be tough to convince so many people...
^ but dude... have you pondered EVERY POSSIBLE BIT OF MINUTIAE? I mean, despite your heretofore thorough dissection of every post and your subsequent hypothesizing in regards to each player's input (and lack thereof), you have neglected to factor in critical details like wind speed, relative humidity, barometric pressure, pollen count, etc.
It seems that you are not taking this game seriously enough.
I find it fun and I don't like to lose. I'm sorry that I'm so damn good. I can't help that.
There is a line in this song that is a joking response to you. Maybe you can figure out which one.
Yes, there are. The mafia whacks are facts. The choices and votes we all make are facts. The consequences of those choices are facts.
Yup, the mafia whacks, everyone's choices, and everyone's votes did happen so I guess technically they ARE facts... but in the case of mafia members they are meant to deceive so I can't honestly look at any vote or whack and know what the quack we are supposed to think about it. Sorry. I guess I'm just not as good at reading through the deception as you are.
Actually, you can. If you couldn't the mafia would always win. You're refusal to acknowledge this makes me think you are more and more likely to be a member yourself.
You still haven't given any solid evidence that I'm mafia. Nothing. All you are doing is trying to misdirected the direction of the round in your favor. Sense you know how mafia will sometimes vote for themselves, then you should also know that the mafia stack votes. OHHHH, what do you know? Votes are currently being stacked against me. Seeing as how Mike D will vote for me as well. Probable Holls too.
I don't think I've ever claimed I had things figured out. In fact, I know I haven't. I'm just as in the dark as anyone else. That doesn't mean I shouldn't post or makes moves to try to draw the mafia out.
Yeah, I lost it. I never once denied that. I hate this game. I'm never playing again. I've said this. The fact that you keep harping on it and saying that I did the same thing last game (which isn't true - I've gone back and read) makes you look like an ass. (I'm not trying to be harsh here, but GEEZ you've brought it up like 3 or 4 times now).
I'm never playing this game again, I stand by saying that. I genuinely like everyone that's playing this mafia game and I know there are some of you who are lying... who are being complete smurfs just because the game calls for it and I quacking HATE it. I can't wait til it's over. I'm hoping I'm right about you being the last mafia so that happens sooner rather than later.
I've never once harped on it and to call me an ass about it is a little extreme. I've only mentioned it in response to players thinking that it made you automatically innocent. I'd like you to show me one post that I made that wasn't in response to someone else bringing it. Like you know, how Mike D and Jham brought it up to say that it made you innocent when it really doesn't?? Because as you said about peoples posts,"but in the case of mafia members they are meant to deceive." Calling me an ass and trying to make me look bad or worse then anyone else bringing it up isn't fair and it's misleading.
Snarky, yeah I've picked up on that too.
Just because you are "discussing" doesn't mean you are having any "sense" of actually trying to figure things out. Maybe you are trying to spout "sense" to deceive the 6 of us because you know it's gonna be tough to convince so many people...
Maybe I've been posting more because I would like to actually help the townspeople win? That's a possibility as well. Did you ever think of that or care to mention it? Nah, you wouldn't won't to do that because you want to see me voted off.
Your refusal to actually reference anything in the game, but things that make me look somehow guilty, is almost a joke. Nothing makes any sense and everything is bullhonkey except for your unwavering belief that I'm mafia.
If the townspeople can't see through this, then we deserve to lose. I don't even know what else to say about it.
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I'm thinking Jhamm over Holls because he is voting to get Fawnmart and I into a runoff. Just like I predicted. Jham is the name that both whacked players have voted for. I thought he was innocent but his vote for Fawnmart makes me think otherwise.
Holls, LLL, Fawn and Jham, think about this very carefully.
I would have to be one ballsy motherfucker to act the way I have, if I were mafia.Look at my posts and the way I'm trying to sort things out. Mike and Sarah's accusations are full of nothing but hot air. They can't make a reasonable argument about anything. They haven't brought up any posts or giving any sort of logical explanation as to the way they feel.
Instead, Sarah keeps talking about the game is full of nothing but bullshit and you can't trust anything. Which is true, to a degree, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't try and make sense out of it. I'm not the one sitting back trying to get someone voted off because the game doesn't make any sense and you can't trust anything and blah blah blah.
That's not the way to play and it's not a foundation to base a vote off of. If she actually cared about the game and the townspeople, then she would be more open-minded about it.
I'm actually posting and responding to others. Freely and openly. Which the members after my head have made almost no effort to do. Except for when Mike said he couldn't understand me for shit and then made no effort to respond to my reply to it.
I've got two votes against me and no solid reason for them. I've got another obvious one coming from Mike. I've explained how faulty the logic in most of the post against me are. The majority of these accusations are about as solid as a popcorn fart. They are without a doubt the work of the mafia.
SFA - why is LLL Not on your list please? Do you believe that all three mafia voted off Scrog? (<- making an assumption here that EAP was innocent and you are saying you are as well.)
I am not certain that Fawnmart is innocent, first of all.
Second, SFA, would you rather there not be a runoff? The only person left to vote is LLL. I could vote for her, or I could vote for holls, but then you are the only one left with 2 votes, so what happens? The way the game has shapped up in the last day makes me think that FM is mafia.
I am not certain that Fawnmart is innocent, first of all.
Second, SFA, would you rather there not be a runoff? The only person left to vote is LLL. I could vote for her, or I could vote for holls, but then you are the only one left with 2 votes, so what happens? The way the game has shapped up in the last day makes me think that FM is mafia.
I'm not certain she is either but it's pretty clear at this point that either Mike or I am. I know I'm not. You've brought our Mike as a higher suspect on your list then Fawn or I, so this isn't a smart move at all.
Read what I have said and how the votes have shaped up. Who is behind it and how do they want people to vote. If the runoff ends up with Fawn and I then the townpeople automatically lose.
Remember how I've said the if Mike was right about Scrog and I that the mafia would have already killed him. You know that is true! You know it!
Remember how the mafia killed a player that voted along side me? A whack that would be totally against my interest, if I were mafia.
Remember how not a single person has made a solid case against me? Nobody has actually connected any dots.
I dont know if SFA is mafia or not, however it worries me to see the stacking so heavy against him. Would still like to see his response about LLL.
Jhamm, if you are Mafia, then I think Sarah is too. SFA, if you are Mafia, then i think Mike D might be mafia with you. MIke D if you are Mafia, i think Holls might be. Think there's one mafia member between SFA and LLL. Mike D and Jham both voted for noage, then both jumped the fence and voted for Scrog. Both mafia or does this mean one of the two?
All this gets me no absolutely no closer to x, y, and z are/were mafia.
SFA - why is LLL Not on your list please? Do you believe that all three mafia voted off Scrog? (<- making an assumption here that EAP was innocent and you are saying you are as well.)
Because LLL is telling the truth about working all the time. I know for a fact that she is rarely around a computer and she worked over 60 hours last week. Plus, the kids, etc. She isn't part of this. Her votes don't add up to being apart of it. Nothing she's done in this game makes her look guilty to me.
EAP was innocent! The mafia aren't going to kill mafia for no reason! EAP had done nothing to make herself(supposed mafia EAP) look guilty enough for the mafia to kill her to try to lead us away from the truth.
Look at who she called out before she died.
Look at who voted for who before they died. That's one of the best ways to tell.
As I've said several times. If Mike was right about the mafia he wouldn't be alive right now.
Look at Sarah's post. Notice how she doesn't really acknowledge anything I've said all game. It's all fluff to skirt the issue. Mike is the same way. Holls is the same way. Jhamm is the one I can't figure out but I don't like that he's voted for you. Making a possible runoff between two people that are probable innocent.
I dont know if SFA is mafia or not, however it worries me to see the stacking so heavy against him. Would still like to see his response about LLL.
Jhamm, if you are Mafia, then I think Sarah is too. SFA, if you are Mafia, then i think Mike D might be mafia with you. MIke D if you are Mafia, i think Holls might be. Think there's one mafia member between SFA and LLL. Mike D and Jham both voted for noage, then both jumped the fence and voted for Scrog. Both mafia or does this mean one of the two?
All this gets me no absolutely no closer to x, y, and z are/were mafia.
I've got to get back to work. I really don't understand why you guys can't see this. It's so frustrating.
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Yeah, I lost it. I never once denied that. I hate this game. I'm never playing again. I've said this. The fact that you keep harping on it andsaying that I did the same thing last game (which isn't true - I've gone back and read) makes you look like an ass. (I'm not trying to be harsh here, but GEEZ you've brought it up like 3 or 4 times now).
I've never once harped on it and to call me an ass about it is a little extreme. I've only mentioned it in response to players thinking that it made you automatically innocent. I'd like you to show me one post that I made that wasn't in response to someone else bringing it. Like you know, how Mike D and Jham brought it up to say that it made you innocent when it really doesn't??
The part that I underlined is the part that I was talking about YOU bringing up repeatedly. I guess I didn't make myself clear.
I've never once harped on it and to call me an ass about it is a little extreme. I've only mentioned it in response to players thinking that it made you automatically innocent. I'd like you to show me one post that I made that wasn't in response to someone else bringing it. Like you know, how Mike D and Jham brought it up to say that it made you innocent when it really doesn't??
The part that I underlined is the part that I was talking about YOU bringing up repeatedly. I guess I didn't make myself clear.
I was referring to you talking about not playing again and that you didn't understand the game and weren't smart enough to play, etc. That's what I was referring to. I only brought it up because it should have been brought up. The reason being that your actions in this game have happened in the past and shouldn't give you a free pass.
Post by popsicle sarah on Aug 15, 2011 9:19:59 GMT -5
Just so you know, I'm making myself late for work to go back and read the thread. And submit into evidence some quotes and votes to counteract one of your main arguments:
Yeah, Scrog helped push Noage into the final runoff calling him a mafia rat. Do you really think they are working together? I think Scrog was the one that gave him the hardest time in that round. I highly doubt you are right about this.
I've never seen mafia vote for mafia in the early rounds to make sure they aren't accused of vote-stacking. That never happens. Just sayin'.
Again, you are skirting the issue. I've brought up vote splitting, etc. So your sarcasm is a little heavy handed. Of chorse mafia votes for mafia. What mafia doesn't do is come right out and put one of their own into a second runoff in the first round. That's lunacy and you know it!
You are missing or purposefully not acknowledging the relevance of the post. Scrog is one of the main reasons noage was put into the final runoff. Mafia would not do that to other mafia. End of story.
I going to say you are wrong about him being "one of the main reasons" noage was in the run off. When Scrog made this vote:
I say it is a tail, because he looks to be a Mafia Rat. Scrog>>>Noage
The run-off had just started and the this is what the tally looked like:
Vote Tally: LLL - 2 noage - 2 jhammett - 3
Votes So Far: noage>>> Mike D >>> jhammett LLL >>> SFA >>> noage SFA >>> LLL Mike D >>> noage Cap'n Jack >>> jhammett Scrog >>> LLL Popsicle >>> jhammett
Left To Vote: EAP jhammett Holls Fawnmart
With 4 people left to vote Scrog had no idea he was throwing Noage into an eventual 2nd run-off. After this vote took one away from LLL, she received 2 votes in a row making it a 3 way tie with 3 votes each.
I am not certain that Fawnmart is innocent, first of all.
Jhamm, I'm not certain that anyone besides myself is innocent. Your answer was not much of an answer.
Mike D voted for me, and i did not return the vote. He said he might change that, but i's thinking he knew he would not because the norm seems to be to retaliate vote. When SFA also voted for me, thought uh-oh. They are in it together. Put a placeholder vote for SFA to see if there would be a stack on him, and it happened.
I dont know if SFA is pulling my strings or if you are Mafia. You have been voting late in the game and been fairly instrumental with those votes.
The part that I underlined is the part that I was talking about YOU bringing up repeatedly. I guess I didn't make myself clear.
I was referring to you talking about not playing again and that you didn't understand the game and weren't smart enough to play, etc. That's what I was referring to. I only brought it up because it should have been brought up. The reason being that your actions in this game have happened in the past and shouldn't give you a free pass.
During my first game:
I never said I wasn't playing again while the game was going...
LOTS of people say they don't understand the game... most first time players say this...
I did say once that I wasn't sure if I was smart enough to play this game... pretty sure that goes along with saying I don't understand the game.
NONE of my posts in the first game were anything like the meltdown I had a few days ago. You know it's true, SFA, and that's why I called you an ass for repeatedly saying it.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Aug 15, 2011 10:42:57 GMT -5
I will vote today, I am off and home from Reggaefest, slept 16 hours in a row, ready to Mafia go.
I haven't read everyone's posts yet but here were my concerns. If Jack was inspector, Jhamm is Mafia. Clearly. So if you abide by this line of thinking, you should be voting for Jhamm.
There was a gap in play over a weekend when Holls, Sarah and Mike D were having a pool party. Someone there is likely Mafia. I thought maybe someone there could have been Inspector, but, I hope that by now they would have come out. Also, someone changed their profile to private just prior to this game starting, which is kind of weird to me and seems like someone must have told them to do so.....so likely a Mafia partner?
SFA is being an ass and maybe should be voted off just for that reason. But I don't really think he is Mafia. I think if he were, he wouldn't be such an ass and piss people off so that they vote for him just because they are pissed at him.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Aug 15, 2011 11:03:44 GMT -5
Vote Tally: SFA - 2 Mike D - 2 jhammett - 2 Fawnmart - 1
Votes So Far: Mike D >>> Fawnmart SFA >>> Fawnmart >>> null >>> Mike D Holls >>> jhammett >>> SFA Fawnmart >>> SFA >>> jhammett Popsicle Sarah >>> SFA jhammett >>> Fawnmart >>> Mike D LLL >>> jhammett
I was referring to you talking about not playing again and that you didn't understand the game and weren't smart enough to play, etc. That's what I was referring to. I only brought it up because it should have been brought up. The reason being that your actions in this game have happened in the past and shouldn't give you a free pass.
During my first game:
I never said I wasn't playing again while the game was going...
LOTS of people say they don't understand the game... most first time players say this...
I did say once that I wasn't sure if I was smart enough to play this game... pretty sure that goes along with saying I don't understand the game.
NONE of my posts in the first game were anything like the meltdown I had a few days ago. You know it's true, SFA, and that's why I called you an ass for repeatedly saying it.
Now who is harping about the subject. Again. I only brought it up to show that you have done similar things in the past because both of the players I was responded too brought it up as a reason that you were probable not guilty.
I wasn't being an ass and I wasn't bringing it up with any ill intent. I was simply pointing out that you made very similar remarks last time you played. Sorry that I don't have a perfect memory of your exact statements and I NEVER once said that this issue alone made you mafia. I just pointed it out, like I pointed out things about everyone else. All I did was respond to other people who marked you off their list because of it.
The fact that you leave out the part where all the times I mentioned it were in response to others shouldn't go unnoticed. The only thing I did differently as say that it's possible that it's wasn't without motif.
But thanks for continuing to bring it up. It's a good distraction from the real issues at hand. Nice work!
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