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The refs usually use random number generators to give out roles.
For the record, I'm old fashioned. I write the numbers 1-11 on paper. I write "mafia" on three pieces of paper, "inspector" on 1 piece of paper, and "townsperson" on seven pieces of paper. I draw a number and one of the role papers, and match those up. Then, I write each player's name on one piece of paper. I draw a number and one of the player's names, and match those up. Then, I match the numbers together to put a role with a player.
Did that make sense? I'm drunk. (And Josh says, "Happy gaming, y'all, and I love you!" He's drunk too.)
Now I am pretty sure I have everyone accounted for that is in the game. After looking at all this and thinking more about what I just said my guesses for mafia members are Scrog, Fawn and SFA.
noage>>> Mike D >>> jhammett >>> LLLVoted off. SFA >>> LLL Popsicle Sarah >>> jhammett>>>LLL Fawnmart >>> LLL Holls >>> LLL
Mike D >>> noage LLL >>> SFA >>> noage Scrog >>> LLL >>> noageVoted off. jhammett >>> noage EAP >>> jhammett>>>noageKilled by mafia Cap'n Jack >>> jhammett>>>noage Killed by mafia
SFA >>> Holls >>> Popsicle Sarah LLL >>> SFA >>> Popsicle Sarah Scrog >>> Mike D >>> EAP>>> Popsicle SarahVoted off EAP >>> Popsicle Sarah >>> Scrog >>> null >>> Scrog >>> Popsicle Sarah >>>Killed by mafia
Mike D >>> Scrog Fawnmart >>> LLL >>> Scrog >>> null >>> jhammett>>>Scrog Holls >>> SFA >>> Scrog Popsicle Sarah >>> EAP >>> SFA >>> Scrog >>> Popsicle Sarah>>>Scrog jhammett >>> Holls >>> LLL>>> Popsicle Sarah >>>Scrog
Here are all the votes in the game. Explain how the three of us are working together? It's interesting that you haven't switched a vote all game.
Before I get to my response, it should be pointed out that the Mafia killed another Noage voter. Was it to keep trying for the inspector? It's also really convenient that it puts LLL and I as the only two left on that side of the line.
YEY, townspeople! It has to be that I'm so shitty at mafia, that I would kill off EAP after she expressed concerns over some of the same player's I'd been pointing towards the entire second round. Yeah, that is so mafia of me. Or maybe I'm so bad at this game that I would bring up the post tallies again even when they show I'm once again on the wrong side of the fence. Yes, I'm that dumb of a player.
Since you like to bring up people's first games so much, Mike. Remember mine? When I voted for the correct mafia member each round and we won the fasted way the good guys can? Surely you do, since you were Mafia that time. You do realize that Fawnmart is smart enough to play this game on her own and doesn't need coaching.... But it should be noted that she's aligning herself with the wrong group of people or could possible be among them.
So let's pass over your first page deceleration that Scrog and Fawnmart are working together. REMEMBER, you started the argument with Scrog. Nobody else acknowledge your post, so you know. Maybe you were wrong from the beginning?
I am interested to see what SFA says about this and was this what he was expecting.
Fawn, since you are honored to be so high on my list I will kick off this round. I am anticipating I will change this once I hear back from SFA, but we will see.
Mike D >> Fawnmart
So here is the incredibly story of Fawnmart, Scrog and I being mafia together...
Once open a time you didn't read the goddamn thread
I am interested to see what SFA says about this and was this what he was expecting.
Fawn, since you are honored to be so high on my list I will kick off this round. I am anticipating I will change this once I hear back from SFA, but we will see.
Mike D >> Fawnmart
So here is the incredibly story of Fawnmart, Scrog and I being mafia together...
Once open a time you didn't read the goddang thread[/size
That sums up how I feel about it.
I was going to go into detail but why waste my time making a case? The townspeople are going to lose because none of you are paying attention. I guess I'll go down with some fun.
SFA>>>Fawnmart
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Will be interesting to see if voting continues this way. It wont be good for the townies, but it will be interesting. Going to continue to listen quietly for a few reasons.
Reread this thread twice yesterday. SFA - the game play discussion about voting - thank you! The light finally went on and I get it now in terms of watching the vote stacks, the sides of the fence, the fence jumpers, and how being a tad more reserved with names is better. Living far enough into the game to have that light go is priceless for a noob.
Also did some speed reading last night. Revisited Mafia 35, 36, and 37 to glean a feel of game play style. Thats another big thing missing for noobs.
Need to absorb the above and rethink my thoughts.
But most importantly today is Quacker's birthday so unlike the last F-ing week, Quacker, not Mafia, will be my focus today. (But i'll be peeking in when i can ;D )
Will be interesting to see if voting continues this way. It wont be good for the townies, but it will be interesting. Going to continue to listen quietly for a few reasons.
But most importantly today is Quacker's birthday so unlike the last F-ing week, Quacker, not Mafia, will be my focus today. (But i'll be peeking in when i can ;D )
Ang is at a reggae festival with the kids, so I have plenty of time this weekend. haha
Happy Birthday Quacker! I know you are reading this, just dieing to jump in and say something.
I'm going back to null. I'd voted Fawnmart to prove we weren't working together and to see how others would vote. It would probable just end up in another bad runoff and I don't want to be responsible for it. This isn't saying I necessarily think she is innocent.
So EAP was who I felt most confident about. With her being whacked, I am sitting at about a 70%/30% split on her role, the majority of me thinking that now she was a Townie.
At this point, with 7 players remaining, you have to hope that we have eliminated a mafia member, or forced the Mafia to off one of their own, at least. If we haven't, then we are done for.
Yeah, the odds are against us but we might be able to pull it off. I think them killing EAP was a bad move. Several people where suspicious of her and she voted to save Scrog. I think they killed her in case she was the inspector or because she might side with me again. And because of this post....
SFA and FM, since you seem to be the only peeps talking....IMO we need to start looking at the quieter players: holls, mike d, and possibly jhamm/sarah.
If Noage was innocent and we have 3 mafia. I think it's very likely that 2 are in this group. Thoughts? I really don't want to headhunt but this is what my gut is saying.
Fawnmart - 29 posts... Lots of comments, but also lots of questions. I am not completely sold on her being mafia. I feel like, as a way of avoiding suspiciousness, the mafia would try to avoid being the loudest or quietest in a game. Now that is just my idea of a sound strategy, in my limited experience
Yeah, I'm not getting much of a Mafia vibe from her. Even when I've been fooled by people there was at least some strong paranoia along the way. I think she is just playing the game and trying to figure things out the best she can. Isn't mud slinging or laying blame on people, etc...
LLL - I am most suspicious of LLL, because she survived that first night after narrowly escaping a runoff.
Ohhh, Geezz Well, I more then anyone know she can't be completely trusted but I think the first round points to her being innocent. If you look, the two people that made the final votes for noage are dead. So while she narrowly escaped the runoff,it wasn't because the Mafia saved her. I highly doubt Mafia LLL would have killed EAP either. It would go against her interest.
Popsicle Sarah - I am semi confident that Sarah is a townie, mostly because of her rant and voting for herself. That is a very (i don't mean this how it sounds, I promise) selfish tactic, and when you play as mafia, you have to consider how your vote impacts your team mates.
I already talked about the rant in my response to Mike. Remember she did some similar stuff last time she played. It would be a selfish tactic if it had have effected the game. She was already going to die at that point, so that post actual kept her alive. I think you might be mistaken on what her tactic was. Or maybe she really was just frustrated and didn't care at that point. Either way, I don't think she can be giving a free pass.
Holls - Holls has been really quiet, only 12 posts, but I think alot of that can be attributed to her being new to the game, and also possibly because she is busy preparing for the start of the fall semester. I'm evenly straddling the fence when it comes to Holls. The two reasons I have listed are certainly good reasons for not posting more, but it is also very possible she is mafia, and trying to keep her head down.
I'm torn on her too. If I was mafia with her, I would encourage her not to be acting SO clueless because it makes her look fishy. Maybe she really is this confused? But knowing her personally and knowing how smart she is it makes it hard to believe. We did sort of force her to play so.... The biggest worry I have is her pushing Scrog into a position of being killed without a runoff and it seemed some people were fine with that. The mafia could have seen that as an opportunity.
Mike D - Mike D has been the quietest, only 9 posts. His lack of conversation is almost eerie. But in the same time, I think if he were mafia, he would make an effort not to be at the very bottom.
Maybe but perhaps he is trying a new playing style after last game? He has been pretty quite as Mafia in at least one game(33) that I can think of. It's pretty brazen for him to base everything around Scrog when there is evidence that he wasn't guilty.
EAP - I was suspicious of EAP, before she died, mainly because of her flip flopping votes. When she was whacked, I changed my mind, but now, typing this, I am beginning to change it again. Both Scrog and I were very accusational toward her; what if she was mafia, and they whacked her to throw us off, and keep from having to defend her on Day 3. This would be a very dangerous move, and I honestly think, if I were mafia, I would fight it. But it certainly is plausible.
I don't think mafia would do this. If noage is innocent then they have 3 and almost no motive to purposefully kill one of there own. I certainly wouldn't be for voting her off with what evidence I saw. If Noage was Mafia then they certainly wouldn't do it.
Jack - I think that if our brave inspector has already perished, Jack was indeed the fearless one. I am certainly not sure about this, but I have a pretty good gut feeling. It is also possible that Jack was mafia, and had something come up and the Mafia voted him off to avoid further delaying the game. To add some fuel to this debate, as of right now, Jack hasn't made a post on inforoo since August 6th.
Unless, one of the players that hasn't chimed in is the inspector then it looks like Jack was. Jack has been active on facebook, so he has been around the net. This isn't the first time he hasn't logged in a long time. Plus, I can't think of what end the Mafia would be working if he was one of them.
If Jack was inspector then we really need to try and figure out what that means. He stacked a vote on Noage which means he knew he was either guilty or that the mafia were targeting LLL. The two players the mafia whacked voted for you at some point but maybe that's just coincidence or perhaps the Mafia is trying to set you up?
NoAge - Its hard to say on this one. NoAge died so early, and with so little cause, that its impossible to say with any certainty whether he was guilty or not.
I think if Noage was Mafia then then they would probably would of whacked LLL for picking him for the runoff. No? But there is also EAP being whacked and voting for him.
The first one, and best guess in my opinion, is assuming that only 2 mafia players are left, and I think those players are LLL and Holls. In this case, I think that the dead mafia member would be EAP.
I just don't think any of these three had any cause for serious concern. At least not when they would be so close to winning. I would defiantly chance one more round.
The second one, which assumes the possibility that all three mafia players are still alive, is far less likely, but I feel it is slightly possible that Mike D, Sarah, and either Holls or LLL are Mafia. The source for this idea is something I am not going to share currently, as I am not sure how people would feel about it. All I will say is that I has nothing to do with this current game, what so ever.
I think this is probably closer to the truth. I think it's one player that voted for Noage and 2 that voted for LLL.
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SFA there are several points in your post that I agree with. Will comment more when i take off the duct tape. Still in listening mode. The scrog/fawnmart/eap show made a lot of noise. Too much noise. There are a Lot of shannipants a foot.
Last statement you made .. I agree that its possible that two LLL voters are mafia but IMO only if one of the two is you. Funny that i don't want to believe that. But must concede its a possibility. I'll leave that thought at I dont see both Holls and Sarah as mafia. One or the other possibly but I dont think both.
There are a few points/posts of this game that are still sitting with me as not quite right,and some that just seem to be missing. I will expand on these thoughts later, but not yet. Not going to be part of the noise this time.
Will be interesting to see if voting continues this way. It wont be good for the townies, but it will be interesting. Going to continue to listen quietly for a few reasons.
But most importantly today is Quacker's birthday so unlike the last F-ing week, Quacker, not Mafia, will be my focus today. (But i'll be peeking in when i can ;D )
Ang is at a reggae festival with the kids, so I have plenty of time this weekend. haha
Happy Birthday Quacker! I know you are reading this, just dieing to jump in and say something.
I'm going back to null. I'd voted Fawnmart to prove we weren't working together and to see how others would vote. It would probable just end up in another bad runoff and I don't want to be responsible for it. This isn't saying I necessarily think she is innocent.
SFA>>>Fawnmart>>>Null
Thanks for giving Quacker an excuse! You know he's been sitting on his hands, chewing his arm etc trying not to post! Cool beans.. good to hear Ang is getting some downtime. God knows she deserves it. What's the festival? Quack and i are expanding our festival repetoire little by little. Before Roo 'with the kids' we did quite a few island trips and love the music. There's good stuff up here?? I'm jellyfish!! (RI version of jeolous. ;D)
SFA there are several points in your post that I agree with. Will comment more when i take off the duct tape. Still in listening mode. The scrog/fawnmart/eap show made a lot of noise. Too much noise. There are a Lot of shannipants a foot.
Hmmm. I just reread that section. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this.
Btw, I'm trying to take what I said to you and Mike to heart. About basing to much of your thoughts of one possible course of events. I don't won't to become to dead set on certain players.
Last statement you made .. I agree that its possible that two LLL voters are mafia but IMO only if one of the two is you. Funny that i don't want to believe that. But must concede its a possibility. I'll leave that thought at I dont see both Holls and Sarah as mafia. One or the other possibly but I dont think both.
Sure it's possible I could be mafia, in an alternate reality of this game but not in this one. It's hard to convince myself that either are guilty but the votes and the likely hood of Jack being inspector seem to say otherwise. That's why I'm looking back over Scrog's post to see if I missed something. If you are innocent I think at least one of them must be Mafia.
There are a few points/posts of this game that are still sitting with me as not quite right,and some that just seem to be missing. I will expand on these thoughts later, but not yet. Not going to be part of the noise this time.
Hmmm, I never thought you were part of the noise???
Thanks for giving Quacker an excuse! You know he's been sitting on his hands, chewing his arm etc trying not to post! Cool beans.. good to hear Ang is getting some downtime. God knows she deserves it. What's the festival? Quack and i are expanding our festival repetoire little by little. Before Roo 'with the kids' we did quite a few island trips and love the music. There's good stuff up here?? I'm jellyfish!! (RI version of jeolous. ;D)
She's at a smaller Festie at a State Park in Ohio. She should be back Sunday night. Her little boy bought a decal with a pot leaf on it. He thought it was something to do with the Michigan flag.
Yeah, Quacker and I have talked on Turntable about doing Solid Sound next summer.
ALSO, I've been meaning to tell you how I make multiple quotes.
When I first reply to someone. I cut/ paste the ending [/quote] at the bottom of the text and place it at the end of the first section I want to respond to.
Then divide the rest of the post and highlight each section and hit the insert quote key on each of them. It's the second to right icon on the bottom row. Right about the kiss and cry smileys.
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By Noise I mean throwing around a lot of accusations without any real substance, geting sucked into arguments that cause multiple posts generally of a defensive nature, or feeling the need to explain too much. The content of the posts seems more constructive now, even knowing there are Mafia liers a foot.
Here's the first point that I can't seem to let go of.. and that's Jack as Inspector. Here's his first, second and final post.
The first round of mafia, I usually avoid voting for someone who's already got a vote against them, unless I have a good reason to suspect them over any of the other players. But if it's just a first round shot in the dark, I don't want to put someone into the lead that I'm not sure about - I'd rather see it go into a runoff first, even though an 11-person runoff is pretty ridiculous. So instead of voting for someone who already had a vote against them, I went with you.
Hmm. After re-reading the entire thread several times and giving it some careful consideration... Cap'n Jack >>> noage
This is not Jack's first game. He's lived at least one long life in Mafia 37. Choosing your words is part of staying alive. He made a deciding vote and just says 'after giving it careful consideration'? Doesn't that just scream Look at MEEEE!! Kill Meeee tonight! ?? Seems irresponsible for an inspector who needs to live as long as possible for the townies to win. Thats my sticking point on Jack=Inspector. Thoughts??
I think NBF is Mafia, (she explained a little too much about the work computer back on page 3ish), she made all of us townies, and she'll execute the final whack. She's sitting back and laughing laughing laughing right now! ;D ;D
Doesn't that just scream Look at MEEEE!! Kill Meeee tonight! ?? Seems irresponsible for an inspector who needs to live as long as possible for the townies to win.
Well now, some players could interpret this diatribe as an indication of guilt. I'm not saying I think you're Inspector, but ya know - it could be perceived as a "smoke & mirrors" kind of move...just sayin' ???
I think NBF is Mafia, (she explained a little too much about the work computer back on page 3ish), she made all of us townies, and she'll execute the final whack. She's sitting back and laughing laughing laughing right now! ;D ;D
You're joking, right? NBF is REFEREE; aren't refs neutral? The ref, from my perspective, seems more equivalent to judge/jury/executioner (or Police Commissioner!) than pure Mafia. But by that same logic, most police brass are on the take w/the Mafia while projecting the image of protectorate of the townspeople they're supposed to serve, so there is more than a tiny kernel of truth to that thought.
Still...for a fellow first-time player, you seem to have an almost encyclopedic knowledge of Inspector and Mafia roles. That gives me pause for concern, but not enough to warrant a vote for you.
OK, so here's my take on the remaining players:
PLAYERS EAP jhamm ............. no idea; could be either; is too quiet to tell scrog SFA................... could be Mafia; possibly Inspector LLL................... definitely suspicious; has a rep for being sneaky noage Cap'n Jack Fawnmart.......... fellow newb; could be Mafia? Holls.................. definitely a townie Mike D............... undecided; could be Inspector; hard to tell Popsicle Sarah.... probably townie; I don't get a Mafia vibe from her
Since I'm inexperienced in this game, I have 3 options when casting my vote:
1. I can lay low and wait 'til everyone else votes, then vote with the majority; or 2. I can vote early based on my instinct and risk that I might end up being whacked for speaking up; or 3. I can change my vote to save my neck.
I chose Option #1 the first round; it worked out fine. I chose Option #3 the second round; it worked out fine. This time, because I have nothing to lose and realize my townie status equals expendability, I'm choosing Option #2.
SO...do I go with my gut and choose the player whose low profile seems most indicative of a sinister role? Or do I pick the player whose proven history of wily, cunning sneakiness could pose the greatest threat to me and my fellow townspeeps if I've incorrectly guessed her role?
I'm gonna trust my gut (which may have sh!t for brains - we'll see! ):
Holls.. No I am not the inspector. And from what i've learned this game primarily from SFA is talk of who you might think is the inspector is not the best thing. We want to keep the inspector alive as long as possible, not point them out to the mafia for a hit.
If the inspector makes it to day four or five then the townies have a great chance of winning. If the inspector dies on day 1, we hope they left a clue as to what Mafia name they got at the start of the game.
I bring up the question about Jack because SFA has been leaning towards Jack being inspector. Which if true, gives clues to who the mafia could be. And takes the game down path A. If he was not, then the enlightened one could still be with us, game goes down path b. If he was mafia, path c.. (Using path A/b/c as an example.. i dont have them figured out.) So the question I posed, as i have done before, is - do you think i'm putting too much weight on the wording Jack chose? If many of the players say yes - then it's time for me to let it go and move on to new scenarios.
And absolutely yes I was joking about NBF. I've come to see its rather quiet in this thread on the weekend. Just adding a little levity.
I did not clearly answer the NBF question. Yes the referee is neutral. She/He is there to track the votes, keep us in the timelines defined in the rules, and enforce the rules.
By Noise I mean throwing around a lot of accusations without any real substance, geting sucked into arguments that cause multiple posts generally of a defensive nature, or feeling the need to explain too much. The content of the posts seems more constructive now, even knowing there are Mafia liers a foot.
So what are you seeing in the conversation between EAP, Scrog and you?
This is not Jack's first game. He's lived at least one long life in Mafia 37. Choosing your words is part of staying alive. He made a deciding vote and just says 'after giving it careful consideration'? Doesn't that just scream Look at MEEEE!! Kill Meeee tonight! ?? Seems irresponsible for an inspector who needs to live as long as possible for the townies to win. Thats my sticking point on Jack=Inspector. Thoughts??
I've thought about his wording as well. I don't know how much of a hint he thought that would be? He very well could have just been trying to say he put thought into his vote.
So here's the thing. I'm pretty positive that Scrog was innocent, so if the inspector is still alive and is hiding then they know the odds are high that we have 3 mafia left. Unless, Noage was mafia, which most people don't believe. We will likely lose next round if we don't vote off a mafia member. It would make sense for them to come forward now and they haven't.
^If for no other reason then to clear the air because we seem to have fallen into a basic divide and conqure mafia strategy.
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LLL is kind of in the same boat as EAP in my book. Her issues or questions about Scrog that went unanswered
Actually, I thought Scrog was the Inspector when I made my post about him seeming funny to me for two separate reasons. He stuck out, and I couldn't tell if it was because he was Mafia, or because he was leading us so hard at Holls (who I also think is Mafia) as though he knew something.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
LLL is kind of in the same boat as EAP in my book. Her issues or questions about Scrog that went unanswered
Actually, I thought Scrog was the Inspector when I made my post about him seeming funny to me for two separate reasons. He stuck out, and I couldn't tell if it was because he was Mafia, or because he was leading us so hard at Holls (who I also think is Mafia) as though he knew something.
Oh QUACK Quack quack. I was thinking it was highly suspicious that both SFA and JHamm were saying the inspector does not have to come out now. We still have day four and five. DUMB Arse... it just F-ing occured to me that if three are left and we vote off a townie.. game over.
LLL - i thought you might be our guiding light and was waiting to here from you...
Edit... both SFA and Jhamm were saying the inspector needs to come out now.. and I'm thinking..no.. we have day four and five. Merged to many thoughts.
Actually, I thought Scrog was the Inspector when I made my post about him seeming funny to me for two separate reasons. He stuck out, and I couldn't tell if it was because he was Mafia, or because he was leading us so hard at Holls (who I also think is Mafia) as though he knew something.
Oh QUACK Quack quack. I was thinking it was highly suspicious that both SFA and JHamm were saying the inspector does not have to come out now. We still have day four and five. DUMB Arse... it just F-ing occured to me that if three are left and we vote off a townie.. game over.
LLL - i thought you might be our guiding light and was waiting to here from you...
Edit... both SFA and Jhamm were saying the inspector needs to come out now.. and I'm thinking..no.. we have day four and five. Merged to many thoughts.
Yeah, that's why I've been a little over dramatic about us losing.
So we have Sarah and Mike D that could possible be inspector.
Sarah would have probable came out when she was about to die, so I'm thinking no.
Mike could be because of his insistence on You and Scrog but I think the mafia would have whacked him by now, if that were the case. I mean the inspector isn't going to call out two mafia players that early in the game. He would have one name and be boldly guessing at the other. That would be a lot worse then Jack's wording in his last post. Then at the end of the second round he calls out Scrog, You and Me. If some combo of us 3 were mafia, we would have killed him right then.
In fact, I'm starting to feel very comfortable with my vote for him.
Also, if the inspector were still alive it would be very risky to try and make it another round. The mafia would have 4 people to pick from and there are ways to narrow that down. I narrowed the inspector down in the middle of the second round the one time I was mafia. I had him at number 2 on my list in the first round. So yeah, it's highly highly unlikely that the inspector is alive.
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Post by popsicle sarah on Aug 14, 2011 19:37:46 GMT -5
I told myself I wasn't going to participate in this game anymore except to vote, but the competitive side of me won't let me throw in the towel when there's a pretty good chance we can win. Although I wish I would've been killed last round, I couldn't with a good conscious vote myself off with such a strong hunch that Scrog is mafia.
No one's really brought up the theory that there's only 1 mafia left.
I have this strange feeling that all the theories that have been stated might be way off base. Surely the inspector would've come out if they could've, so I'm not disagreeing with the idea that Jack might have been the inspector.
I'm stuck on the idea that there are 6 of us chasing 1 mafia at this point... probably why there's no clear direction to go.
Since SFA seems to be so adamant that Scrog is innocent I'm going to take a stab in the dark....
PLAYERS EAP jhamm ............. no idea; could be either; is too quiet to tell scrog SFA................... could be Mafia; possibly Inspector LLL................... definitely suspicious; has a rep for being sneaky noage Cap'n Jack Fawnmart.......... fellow newb; could be Mafia? Holls.................. definitely a townie Mike D............... undecided; could be Inspector; hard to tell Popsicle Sarah.... probably townie; I don't get a Mafia vibe from her
Well, Jham has the 3rd highest post count out all the living players. he should be considered suspicious because of the mafia whacks but being quiet isn't really a good reason to vote for him. What else makes you think that? I'm not actually disagreeing with this vote. Just would like to hear more of your thoughts on it.
Since I'm inexperienced in this game, I have 3 options when casting my vote:
1. I can lay low and wait 'til everyone else votes, then vote with the majority; or 2. I can vote early based on my instinct and risk that I might end up being whacked for speaking up; or 3. I can change my vote to save my neck.
I chose Option #1 the first round; it worked out fine. I chose Option #3 the second round; it worked out fine. This time, because I have nothing to lose and realize my townie status equals expendability, I'm choosing Option #2.
Voting with the majority isn't really the best why to go, unless the inspector has come forth and told us for sure who is who.
You actually didn't vote with the majority in the first round. You helped put LLL in the runoff. You also helped put Scrog in the runoff in the second round.
I think option 2 is always the best option in this game, unless you have some hunches and you want to sit back and see how things play out.
SO...do I go with my gut and choose the player whose low profile seems most indicative of a sinister role? Or do I pick the player whose proven history of wily, cunning sneakiness could pose the greatest threat to me and my fellow townspeeps if I've incorrectly guessed her role?
Proven history is sort of an overstatement. Everyone who plays this game can be just as sneaky. I've seen at least one of these players fake the inspector role and ride it out the whole game to help the mafia win.
I told myself I wasn't going to participate in this game anymore except to vote, but the competitive side of me won't let me throw in the towel when there's a pretty good chance we can win. Although I wish I would've been killed last round, I couldn't with a good conscious vote myself off with such a strong hunch that Scrog is mafia.
Wasn't one of the reason everyone found Scrog suspicious was his strong hunches? Are you even going to lay out any reasons why he is or are we suppose to just except what you say as fact?
No one's really brought up the theory that there's only 1 mafia left.
This is a good point. I'm actually rereading the tread right now. I'll put some more thought into this but I don't find it likely.
I'm stuck on the idea that there are 6 of us chasing 1 mafia at this point... probably why there's no clear direction to go.
If Noage was mafia then it's stands to reason both the other mafia voted for LLL. Sure Mafia have had to sacrifice one of there own in other games but I think the way the votes went that this isn't really reasonable. And remember this......
Fawn is right. Our only discussion about mafia at the house, was to not discuss Mafia and that conversation happened around game time on Friday night. I PM the Ref about returning on Tuesday and I posted my response and to be honest and fairness to Fawn, I do not think we discussed not voting. I was not voting because I did not want to start yet and that was in my head. LLL my vote was to help speed up the game, it had to be someone, and I used the same story/joke from last round. I hear you. I found JHam suspicious when he switched votes off me so quick. I also find Noage being very talkative as strange and what we in the business call a 'tail'. To me, what really sets off 'red flags', hello inspector look here,
Well, in my opinion if we were to add another it would be Scrog or Fawnmart. Then I start thinking that maybe they would have done this on purpose. If the two of them are mafia, both being new players, they could have schemed this up and forced a "noob mistake" of sorts, wait to see if anyone catches on or calls em out, then just say it was a mistake. This would encourage/excuse sloppy play and voting for fawn for the rest of the game. All this stuff is jumbled in my head, I hope yall can understand where I am coming from here. thoughts??
My thoughts are, you are digging deep, trying to control the game. Trying to make something out of nothing. I think you went with the ole, 'hey I will vote for one of my own, Noage, Mafia, and that way it will distance us from each other.' I did that with JHam last game, but I waited until the second round, But your Mafia-voting-partner is now in a run off.
I don't know for a fact if Noage is innocent or not, but if I change my vote now from him to Fawn or Scrog it makes me look a little guilty switching from Noage cause he is the one calling for additions, which makes me think its possible he is mafia as well.
Why would you change your vote from Noage or feel the need to explain that. Noage has two votes and is in the run-off, I had no votes(which surprised me) at that time and would need two people to change their vote FM needed one. If you changed you vote from Noage he was no longer in the run-off. I think you would like that, but you are right, it would make you look suspicious, because it would be. Are you going a stay with the ship or change your vote? I say it is a tail, because he looks to be a Mafia Rat.
Scrog>>>Noage
Yeah, Scrog helped push Noage into the final runoff calling him a mafia rat. Do you really think they are working together? I think Scrog was the one that gave him the hardest time in that round. I highly doubt you are right about this.
Since SFA seems to be so adamant that Scrog is innocent I'm going to take a stab in the dark....
How is me being adamant about someones innocence worse then people being adamant about others guilt? Especially when one person has being head hunting him from the beginning of the game.
I've got a strange feeling that this isn't a stab in the dark at all. I've given plenty of reasons for how it's not possible for us to be working together. I don't think I've ever been over the top about trying to save Scrog. I was arguing that I think the townspeople were heading in the wrong direction. I guess I'll have to put it all in one post and show you how wrong you are.
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I've given plenty of reasons for how it's not possible for us to be working together.
This isn't totally correct. I got frustrated and never made that full post. I do think I've given plenty of reasons why Mike is wrong. The main one being the Mafia would have whacked him by now if he was so close to being right. If I were Mafia with Scrog, Mike would have been close to the top of my guess for inspector. I sure as hell would have killed him in the second night
I'll work on the Scrog and I thing later.
P.S. Mike, I hope you try to pull the fake inspector bit again. That would be hilarious.
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Are you even going to lay out any reasons why he is or are we suppose to just except what you say as fact?
Are there any facts in mafia? In my opinion there aren't... except for when the game is over and the ref reveals everyone's roles. Otherwise you are going to either accept what people say or you aren't. Your choice dude, I'm not twisting your arm.
The game is full of so much bullshit that I could go back and quote what people say, but that's just going to build my case on bullshit on top of bullshit. It's a hunch... a feeling... as you have said many times that you have had such feelings.
If Noage was mafia then it's stands to reason both the other mafia voted for LLL. Sure Mafia have had to sacrifice one of there own in other games but I think the way the votes went that this isn't really reasonable.
Let's say you, Noage, and Scrog are mafia. Let's look at your first round votes:
noage>>> Mike D >>> jhammett >>> LLL SFA >>> LLL Scrog >>> LLL >>> noage
Yeah, Scrog helped push Noage into the final runoff calling him a mafia rat. Do you really think they are working together? I think Scrog was the one that gave him the hardest time in that round. I highly doubt you are right about this.
I've never seen mafia vote for mafia in the early rounds to make sure they aren't accused of vote-stacking. That never happens. Just sayin'.
Are you even going to lay out any reasons why he is or are we suppose to just except what you say as fact?
Are there any facts in mafia? In my opinion there aren't... except for when the game is over and the ref reveals everyone's roles. Otherwise you are going to either accept what people say or you aren't. Your choice dude, I'm not twisting your arm.
Yes, there are. The mafia whacks are facts. The choices and votes we all make are facts. The consequences of those choices are facts.
So it's relevant to bring them up to make a reasonable argument of who is guilty and who isn't. That's what you have failed to do. Make a case against him or me for that matter.
The game is full of so much bullhonkey that I could go back and quote what people say, but that's just going to build my case on bullhonkey on top of bullhonkey. It's a hunch... a feeling... as you have said many times that you have had such feelings.
Sure I've said it many times, as everyone does but generally tend to try and back it up with reasons. Which you really haven't at this point.
You are missing or purposefully not acknowledging the relevance of the post. Scrog is one of the main reasons noage was put into the final runoff. Mafia would not do that to other mafia. End of story.
Let's say you, Noage, and Scrog are mafia. Let's look at your first round votes:
noage>>> Mike D >>> jhammett >>> LLL SFA >>> LLL Scrog >>> LLL >>> noage
This doesn't prove much of anything. Let's look at other first round votes....
Mafia 36: Sarah was outed as Mafia. One member still helped vote her off.
Mafia 35: 2 mafia members helped vote off a townie.
Mafia 34: 1 mafia member helped vote off a townie.
Mafia 33: All three mafia members voted off a townie.
Mafia 32: 1 mafia member helped vote off another mafia member
Mafia 31: 1 mafia member helped vote off another mafia member
Mafia 30: All 3 mafia voted off a townie to save a mafia member.
Mafia 29: All 3 mafia voted for a townie that wasn't voted off.
Mafia 28: 2 Mafia members helped vote off a townie.
Each of these games had these outcomes for different reasons, all pertinent to the unforeseen chaos of the games.
Noage voted for LLL for self preservation. LLL is my voting partner. Who the crap knows why Scrog voted for her.? I'll tell you one thing. If Scrog and I were mafia together. That move wouldn't have happened because LLL would have called me out on it by now.
Yeah, Scrog helped push Noage into the final runoff calling him a mafia rat. Do you really think they are working together? I think Scrog was the one that gave him the hardest time in that round. I highly doubt you are right about this.
I've never seen mafia vote for mafia in the early rounds to make sure they aren't accused of vote-stacking. That never happens. Just sayin'.
Again, you are skirting the issue. I've brought up vote splitting, etc. So your sarcasm is a little heavy handed. Of chorse mafia votes for mafia. What mafia doesn't do is come right out and put one of their own into a second runoff in the first round. That's lunacy and you know it!
How is me being adamant about someones innocence worse then people being adamant about others guilt?
For the record, I've never been adamant about anyone's guilt, but the more defensive you get with ever post makes me think I'm on to something.
Says the young lady that threw a hissy fit and voted for herself.
How am I suppose to act in this situation? When I've got two votes and a reciprocal vote on the way. I'm sorry if I'm being defensive. I guess a good townsperson should just set back and get voted off even when they know they are being set up. Or voted for by people that refuse to read my post and actually listen to anything I say. But they will vote for me and make snarky commits instead of discussing things with any sense of actually trying to figure things out.
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