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But i dont see how my voicing an opinion on my thoughts about who's a townie makes it any easier for the mafia to pick us off. Um.. they know who the townsfolk are from the get go.. ??
If this is not the right time someone explain it after the game please. How is it any different from others saying i think x, y, and z are mafia? Those statements are made to influence someone being voted off. I'm clearly missing something hear. Going to go find a rock to climb under and be quiet now.
Well, I was pretty much joking. If I hadn't made the moves I made you wouldn't have brought my name up. And yes, the whole point is to bring up names and opinions.
You aren't missing anything. I just happen to think that the Mafia can use that as ammunition against me. No worries, that's just part of the game and it's not something you did. They already know it. I'm won't say it out loud but sit back and think about it as if you were a member of mafia. If you KNOW who the townspeople are most suspicious of, then you keep them alive and try to get them voted off.
You got your camps a little mixed up in the first round. So you ARE basically saying that Holls or I are mafia. Because you believe Sarah isn't. So being a townsperson, I have to say you are putting me on a short list. Plus, EAP, Mike D and Jham are more in a gray area of your camp thoughts.
Last comment before the duct tape over the mouth... No, i did not say that. Looked at round one And round two as of this morning. I said based on round one and round 2 as of this am had decided in my mind 5 people (including myself) were townies. And i had to make assumptions to get there. Dont know about the rest but clearly since I am not saying i think the remaining 6 are townies - I have suspicions at some level of all.
Think i obviously have a death wish too. I'll get to go down in Mafia history for being the first townie willingly voted out by the other townies for talking too much. ;D
G' Night all.
Look at the vote total I posted. If the mafia are splitting up their votes, which they more then likely are. Then you are implying that either Holls or I are the mafia member voting for LLL in the first round.
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...will I have to add your name to the 'If I see [these people] walking toward me at brunch next year, carrying an object that could be used as a melee weapon, I should definitely run.'?!
Um, just outta curiosity...how many people you got on that list of yours anyway???
All this talk of people on lists & melee weapons... kinda seems like something the Mafia would be into... just sayin'
No one presently. I had scrog on the 2011 version of that list, but I saw him twice at Camp Inforoo, and neither time did he attempt to suplex me through a table.
Well it looks like this townie is getting voted off. SFA, do not be so quick to think a Mafia member would not throw one of their own under the bus as a way to distance themselves. Ask Jham about my voting and the "coin flip". FM, you seem to be confident in your post. Although you say you are going to be killed off soon, I think you might have more insight on that, than what you are willing to say. Your confidence reeks Mafia. To me it does. You may be a first time player, but you are smart and I can see you being a force to be reckoned with.
EAP, you are Mafia, you say you answered my question, repeatedly. I looked back and I asked a lot of question and I can not find where you answered them, let alone repeatedly. Here are a few question I did not get a response on.
EAP, I just asked you to switch your vote to get FM in the run-off, in turn I would switch my vote, from you, and you would be out of the run off. It was a give-n take. FM is in the run-off and you are out. You came back with, "did not change my vote, b/c i do not want to be associated with you in any way scrog.", which I take as a compliment. Did you not want to put FM in the run-off and take yourself out? Were you protecting her?
Well this is interesting... EAP, why did you switch your vote from Popsicle to me? Her and I both had 3 votes at that time, with me only to vote. Your unexpected vote switch put me at 4 votes and PS at 2 votes. Why the switch? Do you believe she is more Townie than me?
dude you are so way off base you don't even know. but all i can is if you stay alive i feel like you are just going to confuse the hell out of people.
Is this the reasoning behind your vote for me, are you voting me off because I will confuse the hell out of people or because you think I am Mafia?... ...Are you voting for me because you think I am Mafia, or are you voting for me because, "all i can is if you stay alive i feel like you are just going to confuse the hell out of people."?
Also, FM calling you a townie, puts her more in your Mafia camp for me. Popsicle Sarah, I can see EAP trying to protect you. I could be wrong, but I do not think so. Nice rant. Voting for yourself is a classic move. Mike D and Holls, you two round out my list as possible Mafia. Holls because you are playing the noob card too much and vote stacking with FM. Mike D, you could be Mafia, because you are set on me being Mafia.
Maybe Noage was Mafia, and that led to confusion on the young Mafia's part, that led to a long whack announcement. Maybe they were out of town and away from the inter webs. Either way I do believe the Mafia is newer to the game. Some of the older Mafia players, could be doing this delay as a ploy, but I am not sold on that.
To me, Jham, LLL, and SFA are not coming off as Mafia.
Townies, play smart. I think Mafia are winning so far. Remember, actions speak louder than words!
Wish I had more time to write my final words for this game and just so you know where I am at, I just had my right hand up another man butt, trying to insert a rectal tube, while he was taking a poop of very loose, liquid stool.
Um, just outta curiosity...how many people you got on that list of yours anyway???
All this talk of people on lists & melee weapons... kinda seems like something the Mafia would be into... just sayin'
No one presently. I had scrog on the 2011 version of that list, but I saw him twice at Camp Inforoo, and neither time did he attempt to suplex me through a table.
I left the Sroganator mask and suit at the house. If I could have met LLL peeps sooner I would have used theirs and we would have had WWF-Roo 2011. A body slam here, off the rope elbow to the head there, one suplex, and a finish with the dreadful Boston Crab.
Well it looks like this townie is getting voted off. SFA, do not be so quick to think a Mafia member would not throw one of their own under the bus as a way to distance themselves. Ask Jham about my voting and the "coin flip".
I've played enough to know that the Mafia will throw one of their own under a bus. You should know that. I'm voting with what I can gather from the game. I don't think you're guilty because the votes were stacked against you early on and you were so vocal that I don't see any mafia agenda behind it. I know I'm not basing my votes off of your theories. Maybe you are Mafia??? But from the votes cast, I can't think of who would be Mafia trying to protect you.
FM, you seem to be confident in your post. Although you say you are going to be killed off soon, I think you might have more insight on that, than what you are willing to say. Your confidence reeks Mafia. To me it does. You may be a first time player, but you are smart and I can see you being a force to be reckoned with.
It should also be pointed out that she messed up the votes and put several players in the wrong camps. If she is innocent then that is an error that she should correct. The fact that she didn't reconsider her whole position on things is fishy. Instead, she came back and defended her statements with a stance that she was clearly wrong about.
It should be added that almost everything she said was pointed towards you, Jham, LLL, and I.
Popsicle Sarah, I can see EAP trying to protect you. I could be wrong, but I do not think so. Nice rant. Voting for yourself is a classic move.
I wouldn't call it a classic move. I'm starting to think that I was wrong about Sarah. I just don't know.
Mike D and Holls, you two round out my list as possible Mafia. Holls because you are playing the noob card too much and vote stacking with FM. Mike D, you could be Mafia, because you are set on me being Mafia.
I find Mike D's lack of participation very strange. He logs in but never posts but it's sort of convenient for him to bring up other peoples voting habits, especially when it contradicts his own statements from the first round.
To me, Jham, LLL, and SFA are not coming off as Mafia.
Townies, play smart. I think Mafia are winning so far. Remember, actions speak louder than words!
I don't really like how we are continuing this divide amongst the players. I understand it but what can we gain from it? The simple fact is that the mafia ARE winning. It's so clear. I'm partly responsible for this line of thinking.
Wish I had more time to write my final words for this game and just so you know where I am at, I just had my right hand up another man butt, trying to insert a rectal tube, while he was taking a poop of very loose, liquid stool.
I sorta want to make love to you right now. Is that wrong?
Also, Holls. If you are innocent, then the townspeople could really use your help and intelligence. Please help us make some sense out of this.
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Well it looks like this townie is getting voted off. SFA, do not be so quick to think a Mafia member would not throw one of their own under the bus as a way to distance themselves. Ask Jham about my voting and the "coin flip".
I've played enough to know that the Mafia will throw one of their own under a bus. You should know that. I'm voting with what I can gather from the game. I don't think you're guilty because the votes were stacked against you early on and you were so vocal that I don't see any mafia agenda behind it. I know I'm not basing my votes off of your theories. Maybe you are Mafia??? But from the votes cast, I can't think of who would be Mafia trying to protect you.
It should also be pointed out that she messed up the votes and put several players in the wrong camps. If she is innocent then that is an error that she should correct. The fact that she didn't reconsider her whole position on things is fishy. Instead, she came back and defended her statements with a stance that she was clearly wrong about.
It should be added that almost everything she said was pointed towards you, Jham, LLL, and I.
I wouldn't call it a classic move. I'm starting to think that I was wrong about Sarah. I just don't know.
I find Mike D's lack of participation very strange. He logs in but never posts but it's sort of convenient for him to bring up other peoples voting habits, especially when it contradicts his own statements from the first round.
I don't really like how we are continuing this divide amongst the players. I understand it but what can we gain from it? The simple fact is that the mafia ARE winning. It's so clear. I'm partly responsible for this line of thinking.
Wish I had more time to write my final words for this game and just so you know where I am at, I just had my right hand up another man butt, trying to insert a rectal tube, while he was taking a poop of very loose, liquid stool.
I sorta want to make love to you right now. Is that wrong?
Also, Holls. If you are innocent, then the townspeople could really use your help and intelligence. Please help us make some sense out of this.
SFA - short on time this am.. I read a lot of truthful statements in this post. I will be going back (I think i said that last night before signing off for the night) and relooking to find the post that sent me down that rabbit hole and why I aligned Mike where i did. Doing ^^ this is not going to change my current vote.
Well it looks like this townie is getting voted off. SFA, do not be so quick to think a Mafia member would not throw one of their own under the bus as a way to distance themselves. Ask Jham about my voting and the "coin flip".
I've played enough to know that the Mafia will throw one of their own under a bus. You should know that. I'm voting with what I can gather from the game. I don't think you're guilty because the votes were stacked against you early on and you were so vocal that I don't see any mafia agenda behind it. I know I'm not basing my votes off of your theories. Maybe you are Mafia??? But from the votes cast, I can't think of who would be Mafia trying to protect you.
I could be Mafia and so could you. This could all be a master plan by me, but it is not. I think my actions speak for that. My theory might be wrong and I think part of it is.
It should also be pointed out that she messed up the votes and put several players in the wrong camps. If she is innocent then that is an error that she should correct. The fact that she didn't reconsider her whole position on things is fishy. Instead, she came back and defended her statements with a stance that she was clearly wrong about.
It should be added that almost everything she said was pointed towards you, Jham, LLL, and I.
these are very good points and have been noted.
I wouldn't call it a classic move. I'm starting to think that I was wrong about Sarah. I just don't know.
This is where I might be wrong. I think maybe Popsicle is guilty by association. She could be townie as well. If so, I have been the bigger ass and should be the one to get voter off. Which leads me to...
I find Mike D's lack of participation very strange. He logs in but never posts but it's sort of convenient for him to bring up other peoples voting habits, especially when it contradicts his own statements from the first round.
Yes, I had Noage guilty early on by association, to MikeD. He pulled that story about FM and I where he talked a lot and spoke in great detail. This one...
Well, in my opinion if we were to add another it would be Scrog or Fawnmart...
...What about your agreement with Scrog?
I understand the reasoning behind Scrogs first post, but what I don't get is why Fawn would have gone ahead and voted anyways? It could have been a simple misunderstanding. Scrog kept his word on this, but Fawn did not for some reason.
This may be a bit far fetched, but my mind keeps going about it. If they are both mafia and there was an agreement somewhere in some PM's where they decided to wait to vote. I know when I have been mafia with newer or first time players There is quite a bit of discussion on how to play, what to do, etc. Fawn being a first time player could have overlooked this or forgotten about it and voted anyways. Then I start thinking that maybe they would have done this on purpose. If the two of them are mafia, both being new players, they could have schemed this up and forced a "noob mistake" of sorts, wait to see if anyone catches on or calls em out, then just say it was a mistake. This would encourage/excuse sloppy play and voting for fawn for the rest of the game. Bottom line, Scrog said they agreed to wait to vote and it was clearly posted. I would assume that Fawn would read that post, along with who has voted for who, then voting up with Hollie to make sure not to stack any votes. Heck, even if there was no such agreement, wouldn't Fawn have at least commented on it? I have to ask you straight up Fawn, whats up with this? I would think we should look at these two if we want to add another to the runnoff. Most of us saw last game what Scrog is capable of and combining all that would make me lean towards adding him first. Couldn't tell ya a thing about Fawn, but it would be easier to see in a round or two who Fawn could be teaming up with than Scrog. I don't know for a fact if Noage is innocent or not, but if I change my vote now from him to Fawn or Scrog it makes me look a little guilty switching from Noage cause he is the one calling for additions, which makes me think its possible he is mafia as well. All this stuff is jumbled in my head, I hope yall can understand where I am coming from here.
thoughts??
I think Mike D was trying to get me looking as if I was Mafia and in the process I think he used FM to distance themselves, but not actually voting for each other. I mean come one, who is going in the run-off? FM or me? Look at Mafia 37, I am "scary". So, Mike D knew FM would be okay. He said he did not want to change his vote, but really? I would think anybody in a run-off wants more additions.
I don't really like how we are continuing this divide amongst the players. I understand it but what can we gain from it? The simple fact is that the mafia ARE winning. It's so clear. I'm partly responsible for this line of thinking.
This is very true. If I am wrong about you we are screwed. If I am wrong about Jham or LLL we are screwed. Either way, two more townies are getting whacked/voted off. Which I think makes it 4 to 3 after today.
Wish I had more time to write my final words for this game and just so you know where I am at, I just had my right hand up another man butt, trying to insert a rectal tube, while he was taking a poop of very loose, liquid stool.
I sorta want to make love to you right now. Is that wrong?
If so ,I do not want to be right.
Also, Holls. If you are innocent, then the townspeople could really use your help and intelligence. Please help us make some sense out of this.
Holls, what do you think about this? Do you see any validity in what I am saying? Yes the first days take forever.
I have a question for all? Name one Mafia person, just one. Holls who do you think is Mafia? Mike D who do you think is Mafia? Fawnmart who do you think is Mafia? EAP who do you think is Mafia? LLL who do you think is Mafia? SFA who do you think is Mafia? Jham who do you think is Mafia? Popsicle Sarah who do you think is Mafia?
You may not answer this, but as a townie I think we should know.
EAP, you are Mafia, you say you answered my question, repeatedly. I looked back and I asked a lot of question and I can not find where you answered them, let alone repeatedly. Here are a few question I did not get a response on.
EAP, I just asked you to switch your vote to get FM in the run-off, in turn I would switch my vote, from you, and you would be out of the run off. It was a give-n take. FM is in the run-off and you are out. You came back with, "did not change my vote, b/c i do not want to be associated with you in any way scrog.", which I take as a compliment. Did you not want to put FM in the run-off and take yourself out? Were you protecting her?
SFA was right, a shitton of people in a runoff shows you nothing b/c the votes can be spread too thin to gleam anything. i simply did not want to add another person into the runoff. if i was mafia, i would have done it willingly b/c it would have INCREASED my odds of killing an innocent!! i don't even think you know what you are talking about.
Is this the reasoning behind your vote for me, are you voting me off because I will confuse the hell out of people or because you think I am Mafia?... ...Are you voting for me because you think I am Mafia, or are you voting for me because, "all i can is if you stay alive i feel like you are just going to confuse the hell out of people."?
Popsicle Sarah, I can see EAP trying to protect you. I could be wrong, but I do not think so.
uh yeah scrog. i protected her right into being voted off. as you can see, i did answer scrog's questions. i guess he just wasn't reading my answers?
that said. i'm not sure if he was guilty or not. i just think he is a super aggressive player and was calling me out b/c he thought he had a leg to stand on with this business. i assure you he doesn't.
SFA and FM, since you seem to be the only peeps talking....IMO we need to start looking at the quieter players: holls, mike d, and possibly jhamm/sarah.
You got your camps a little mixed up in the first round. So you ARE basically saying that Holls or I are mafia. Because you believe Sarah isn't. So being a townsperson, I have to say you are putting me on a short list. Plus, EAP, Mike D and Jham are more in a gray area of your camp thoughts.
Last comment before the duct tape over the mouth... No, i did not say that. Looked at round one And round two as of this morning. I said based on round one and round 2 as of this am had decided in my mind 5 people (including myself) were townies. And i had to make assumptions to get there. Dont know about the rest but clearly since I am not saying i think the remaining 6 are townies - I have suspicions at some level of all.
Think i obviously have a death wish too. I'll get to go down in Mafia history for being the first townie willingly voted out by the other townies for talking too much. ;D
G' Night all.
SFA - this post was not a defense of what you pointed out to be flawed logic. I agreed with you and am rereading. I should have shortened the quote. I was specifically responding to this line: "Plus, EAP, Mike D and Jham are more in a gray area of your camp thoughts." but did not articulate that well.
I did not say this.. this is your translation of what i said.
That said - you pointed out a logic error which i accept, so there is probably merit in this statement as well and i need to go read my posts as well to see what you are seeing.
In agreement regarding the quieter players. Dont know if Scrog was townie or mafia, but her created a lot of noise. The noise started from the get go with Mike D. In hindsight I been adding to all of that noise from the get go. The SH@ storm that sucked me into this noise all started with Mike and Scrog. I really need to go back and reread with fresh eyes.
What if Noage was the enlightened one? Is there meaning in his few posts? What if Jack was mafia and he volunteered to be offed because of a lack of availability? Doesn't look like he's been around Iroo since then. (That long weekend still sticks odd with me)
I am not even sure what to say from this point. My mind is exhausted from reading these posts. Having Scrog being as defensive as he was right from the get go really threw me for a loop and really raised my attention to him. Say what you want about my post count, but every game I get called out for it (I encourage you to look back in previous games if you want to continue to call me for this). We all know this, you are darned if you do, you are darned if you don't. It seems to be the one thing we are all in agreement of, so why are we still bringing it up. I have a hard time understanding how a simple low post count makes me look guilty. Had Scrog not replied the way he did to me in round one, I probably would have more posts in the game, but game after game my points are being called "digging deep" grasping at straws" and so forth, it makes me feel like my opinion about who I think is or looks like mafia just doesn't matter. If I could have a better discussion or at least responses from folks I would continue to post more and more each game.
To answer Scrogs question about who we think is mafia: First and foremost I believe Scrog was mafia.
Fawnmart I feel is probably mafia. It still bugs me a little bit about the first round voting thing with Scrog even though her response to me was thorough. Granted I have only played 7 or 8 games of mafia, it seems to me that she has an awful lot of confidence in her playing style for her first game. A lot of her responses seem oddly confident for a first time player and I think she has had a lot of help in this game (i.e. from her fellow mafia).
I had been leaning towards EAP, especially with all of the vote changes. Not sure if this was trying to control the game a little bit, out of frustration, or what. The goings back and forth with Scrog could be an actual disagreement in the game, or more of a cover up to keep the two distanced from each other. I am really not sure which way yet, but if it is to keep distance from each other, well played.
LLL is kind of in the same boat as EAP in my book. Her issues or questions about Scrog that went unanswered makes me think the same thing - forcing distance between the two, but LLL voted for SFA (regular voting partner) then Sarah. I don't know if you really wanted to vote for Sarah, or just not vote for Scrog, a possible fellow mafia.
I see Holls as a possibility, but doubtful. Far too often a first time player who is mafia makes it seem that their votes are overly random. Scrog had is "coin flip" last game. Sarah used a number generator in her first game for early votes in which she was mafia. If I was playing in those games as a townie those would have been dead giveaways for me. Holls hasn't had that.
Sarah's desperation post seems to be sincere, and as stated above, she made her votes seem overly random in her first game as mafia which she hasn't done at all here. Granted it's not her first game anymore, but I see the same thing going on with her as I do with Hollie. They both are playing a little too reserved for me to think they are mafia as a newer player.
SFA and JHamm, in my opinion, seemed to drag out this last round after Scrog took the lead in votes against him, even though SFA voted Sarah and JHamm voted Scrog. Thinking about this now, SFA not voting for Scrog and keeping conversation going on as long as possible seems a little guilty at least.
Now I am pretty sure I have everyone accounted for that is in the game. After looking at all this and thinking more about what I just said my guesses for mafia members are Scrog, Fawn and SFA.
On another note, maybe I need to take a lesson from this guy
SFA- in the discussion I said i would go back and find the posts that sent me back looking at the divisions. There were two: Yours - shortened below - 'didn't vote for noage are now voting for scrog" was a wakeup call for me, followed by LLL's below.
I'm not saying I'm right and maybe I'm playing into the mafia's plan but it's the best blind vote I could think to make. Plus, I wanted to get some reactions from people and the fact that most of the people that didn't vote for Noage are now voting for Scrog doesn't make think I made the wrong choice for a run-off candidate.
If NoAge was Mafia, then his fellow Mafia are likely SFA, Fawn, Holls or Popsicle Sarah. Those also voting for Scrog are Popsicle, Holls And Fawn.
So if Noage was mafia I've probably screwed up and aligned with one or more mafia. If no age is innocent, I've aligned with one or more townies. I think noage was innocent. Therefore the thoughts that i posted.
I included Mike D on the list as you pointed out. He was a noage voted in round one, but a scrog voter in round two. And this post swayed which column i put Mikes name in.
I have been reading, but not posting anything recently. I was really trying to get more of yall in the game and discussing things, which I feel is leading us in the right direction.
Honestly, I am still caught up on Scrog a little bit. Granted he is a newer player, to me he seems to be playing really ballsy for a newer townie (if he is). In the first round it seemed he didn't want me looking into things and I was called out for "digging deep" and as the game has progressed, he is doing the exact same thing to us. Add that to the Fawnmart deal on the first page. Then he tries to get Sarah out of the runoff and put Fawnmart in. Add that to LLL saying she had two points about him, but wouldn't say one of em, and it took a while for the first. Then LLL votes for Sarah instead of Scrog in the runoff. SFA has seemed to kind of bow out/lay lower than usual, not sure what to think about that, but everyone seems to think he is innocent. I can't say much about Sarah as I don't have suspicions of her yet. Her playing style is different than when she was mafia, but it isn't her first game anymore. I am confident in my vote for Scrog as I believe he is Mafia.
Mike - I'm very happy to see your post even with you putting me high on the mafia list. Gives me more thoughts to read and absorb.
I'm an not Mafia, I am a townie. And yes.. I'm a confident bitch when I can base my actions and thoughts on logic. It may be totally incorrect logic, but as long as i find it logical I good to run with it. I'm a technical analyst by profession so guess its my nature as eluded to before. Why i'm to wordy too i guess. Also, I read mafia 35 as it went along. I followed Mafia 36 closely. I played Mafia 37 on paper along with you. Its really hard to play on paper when you cant ask questions. So I'm drawing from what i can from the strong players from those games, and trying to avoid being sucked into the LLL/Scrog wins of 36 and 37.
Logic only takes you so far in a game where the players are lying. This is where I am struggling profoundly. I could not confidently name any three players as mafia at this point. Lots of suspicions, no decisions. So if i stay alive, I will continue to listen to everyones thoughts and try to move forward with who i think is innocent.
[quote author=dziegiel board=games thread=26651 post=913514 time=1313170426 After looking at all this and thinking more about what I just said my guesses for mafia members are Scrog, Fawn and SFA.[/quote]
Hey, Fawn. Remember my conversation from last night? Don't say I didn't warn you. Not that this means I think Mike is Mafia but dont be surprised if I get voted off next round and we lose.
EAP, Mike and Fawn I'll respone to your questions when I get in from work. I just have to big of a mouth not to say something.
Have a good one
Edit: or posts in the case of Mike. He didn't ask me anything. haha
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I am interested to see what SFA says about this and was this what he was expecting.
Fawn, since you are honored to be so high on my list I will kick off this round. I am anticipating I will change this once I hear back from SFA, but we will see.
I am interested to see what SFA says about this and was this what he was expecting.
Fawn, since you are honored to be so high on my list I will kick off this round. I am anticipating I will change this once I hear back from SFA, but we will see.
Mike D >> Fawnmart
Wow. This really wasn't what I was expecting at all. I was thinking they would kill Jham and leave LLL or Me to frame for voting with Scrog. But he did end up switching his vote so, I guess they think he's a safer bet since EAP sided with me. Or as Jham said, buddy up with or whatever made her so mad.
Dude, come on. If I were Mafia do you think I would kill her? EAP and I have a pretty good history of trusting each other in this game.
Ok, let me read back and get up to speed before I say anything else.
OHHHH, ONE THING!
If the inspector is alive they need to come out right now! Don't try to make it another round. The numbers aren't going to be in your favor to risk it.
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So if Noage was mafia I've probably screwed up and aligned with one or more mafia. If no age is innocent, I've aligned with one or more townies. I think noage was innocent. Therefore the thoughts that i posted.
I included Mike D on the list as you pointed out. He was a noage voted in round one, but a scrog voter in round two. And this post swayed which column i put Mikes name in.
Ahh, OK. I get you.
I think putting to much faith in people just because they are voting the same way is a little dangerous. Especially if you find yourself aligned with the wrong ones. Remember what happened to me and Quacker a few games back? That happened because I let my guard down and wasn't playing the game well. LLL knew she had me in her pocket and since I had defended Quacker several times. He trusted me and got blindsided as well.
You do realize my thoughts on Noage were just a theory right? I'm not stomping around screaming NOAGE YOU quacking MAFIA Leno FROM HELL! I"M GLAD YOU'RE DEAD YOU MEATBALL EATING GUIDO! ;D
You also left out the whole reason I ever suggested it, which is the possibility that Jack was the inspector. If the inspector doesn't come out this round then I think we can safely assume that he was and we need to try and figure out why they were lead to him. That's why I picked someone that voted for LLL in the first round and I've got to say. Nothing I've seen so far has really changed my mind on the matter. From were I'm sitting, the townspeople are getting their butts handed to them right now and if we don't work together quick, this will be over soon.
What if Noage was the enlightened one? Is there meaning in his few posts? What if Jack was mafia and he volunteered to be offed because of a lack of availability? Doesn't look like he's been around Iroo since then. (That long weekend still sticks odd with me)
Noage would have told us before he died if he was the inspector. I'm' about 95% percent sure of that.
Mafia have pulled off some wild tricks before but I'm not buying Jack whacking himself. Haw haw! And the long weekend was one of the reasons that I think Jack might have been the inspector.
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I have a hard time understanding how a simple low post count makes me look guilty. Had Scrog not replied the way he did to me in round one, I probably would have more posts in the game, but game after game my points are being called "digging deep" grasping at straws" and so forth, it makes me feel like my opinion about who I think is or looks like mafia just doesn't matter. If I could have a better discussion or at least responses from folks I would continue to post more and more each game.
Well, I brought up you being quit because that's what you said about me. When you tell everyone that "they aren't digging at all" but you barely post, you shouldn't be surprised if people find it weird. Also, it does hurt when people don't like your post or say they "couldn't follow for shit". Also, I asked you several questions in my response so you had a chance to have the discussion if you wanted to. I'm also pretty positive I've never said you were digging deep or anything like that. I know that parts not directed at me but whatever. I actually try to encourage as much talking as possible.
Fawnmart I feel is probably mafia. It still bugs me a little bit about the first round voting thing with Scrog even though her response to me was thorough. Granted I have only played 7 or 8 games of mafia, it seems to me that she has an awful lot of confidence in her playing style for her first game. A lot of her responses seem oddly confident for a first time player and I think she has had a lot of help in this game (i.e. from her fellow mafia).
I guess this could be true but why would she vote early for Scrog and stick to it, if he was Mafia with her? She could very well be mafia but I highly doubt it's with Scrog.
LLL is kind of in the same boat as EAP in my book. Her issues or questions about Scrog that went unanswered makes me think the same thing - forcing distance between the two, but LLL voted for SFA (regular voting partner) then Sarah. I don't know if you really wanted to vote for Sarah, or just not vote for Scrog, a possible fellow mafia.
She had questions because Scrog put her in a runoff just like the game before. I find it highly unlikely that the Mafia would start the round off by voting one of their own into a runoff. Hmmm, I guess she could have been banking on me taking her out?
To answer Scrogs question about who we think is mafia: First and foremost I believe Scrog was mafia.
I think it's really dangerous to base all your theories around this. Especially at this point when we have more information that doesn't really lead to Scrog's guilt at all. Or does it? If so, how?
I see Holls as a possibility, but doubtful. Far too often a first time player who is mafia makes it seem that their votes are overly random. Scrog had is "coin flip" last game. Sarah used a number generator in her first game for early votes in which she was mafia. If I was playing in those games as a townie those would have been dead giveaways for me. Holls hasn't had that.
Or she could have slipped in a vote for Scrog under a "Ohh Shucks, I'm new and didn't know what I was doing move." If you remember from Sarah and Scrog's game there was a bunch of "I don't know what's going on" type talk. I don't think this explanation clears her of any guilt at all.
Sarah's desperation post seems to be sincere, and as stated above, she made her votes seem overly random in her first game as mafia which she hasn't done at all here. Granted it's not her first game anymore, but I see the same thing going on with her as I do with Hollie. They both are playing a little too reserved for me to think they are mafia as a newer player.
Why wouldn't a newer player play in a reserved manner? Noage did the first time he was mafia. He just set back slipping in votes. Plus, it's hard to judge Sarah in this light because she's only played 3 rounds and she was in the runoff in two of them. One thing she does have in common in both games is an emotional post where she says something negative about the game and about not playing anymore. The first time she did it she was Mafia but she made me feel bad both times. I'll trust your instincts on this for now.
SFA and JHamm, in my opinion, seemed to drag out this last round after Scrog took the lead in votes against him, even though SFA voted Sarah and JHamm voted Scrog. Thinking about this now, SFA not voting for Scrog and keeping conversation going on as long as possible seems a little guilty at least.
What? I didn't realize we weren't allowed to post while waiting for the round to end??? Jhamm posted like 4 times yesterday, one of them was to save Sarah. If you look at my conversation with Fawnmart, we were talking about the game as a whole. Scrog's fate was pretty much sealed after Jhamm switched. I've already explained why I didn't vote for Scrog but you basing all of your decision off of your certainty that Scrog is guilty makes me question what your role in this game is.
At first I thought you were innocent but now I'm not so sure. One of the reasons I thought you were innocent was this....
Now I am pretty sure I have everyone accounted for that is in the game. After looking at all this and thinking more about what I just said my guesses for mafia members are Scrog, Fawn and SFA.
I just don't think the mafia would try to convince people that the three of us are allied. I'll explain in a separate post.
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So EAP was who I felt most confident about. With her being whacked, I am sitting at about a 70%/30% split on her role, the majority of me thinking that now she was a Townie.
At this point, with 7 players remaining, you have to hope that we have eliminated a mafia member, or forced the Mafia to off one of their own, at least. If we haven't, then we are done for.
Inspector, if you are still alive, you must come forth now. Lead us out of the darkness. One correct name, even if that person is already gone, can be pivotal right now.
Who's left: LLL SFA Fawnmart Holls Popsicle Sarah Mike D Myself
What I think of each of the remaining players (ordered most to least loquacious) Fawnmart - 29 posts... Lots of comments, but also lots of questions. I am not completely sold on her being mafia. I feel like, as a way of avoiding suspiciousness, the mafia would try to avoid being the loudest or quietest in a game. Now that is just my idea of a sound strategy, in my limited experience.
SFA - 26 posts... He and I seem to agree on a lot, and we also have a similarly high post count (mine is 18). I trust SFA to be a townie more than I trust anyone else at this point.
LLL - I am most suspicious of LLL, because she survived that first night after narrowly escaping a runoff.
Popsicle Sarah - I am semi confident that Sarah is a townie, mostly because of her rant and voting for herself. That is a very (i don't mean this how it sounds, I promise) selfish tactic, and when you play as mafia, you have to consider how your vote impacts your team mates.
Holls - Holls has been really quiet, only 12 posts, but I think alot of that can be attributed to her being new to the game, and also possibly because she is busy preparing for the start of the fall semester. I'm evenly straddling the fence when it comes to Holls. The two reasons I have listed are certainly good reasons for not posting more, but it is also very possible she is mafia, and trying to keep her head down.
Mike D - Mike D has been the quietest, only 9 posts. His lack of conversation is almost eerie. But in the same time, I think if he were mafia, he would make an effort not to be at the very bottom.
What about those who are already dead?! Scrog - He was very aggressive and talkative. I don't think I would play that way, if I were mafia. But that might have been part of the plan. I'm about 65%/35% on scrog, with the majority of me leaning toward him being a townie.
EAP - I was suspicious of EAP, before she died, mainly because of her flip flopping votes. When she was whacked, I changed my mind, but now, typing this, I am beginning to change it again. Both Scrog and I were very accusational toward her; what if she was mafia, and they whacked her to throw us off, and keep from having to defend her on Day 3. This would be a very dangerous move, and I honestly think, if I were mafia, I would fight it. But it certainly is plausible.
Jack - I think that if our brave inspector has already perished, Jack was indeed the fearless one. I am certainly not sure about this, but I have a pretty good gut feeling. It is also possible that Jack was mafia, and had something come up and the Mafia voted him off to avoid further delaying the game. To add some fuel to this debate, as of right now, Jack hasn't made a post on inforoo since August 6th.
NoAge - Its hard to say on this one. NoAge died so early, and with so little cause, that its impossible to say with any certainty whether he was guilty or not.
Conclusion I have two possible ideas for the identity of the mafia.
The first one, and best guess in my opinion, is assuming that only 2 mafia players are left, and I think those players are LLL and Holls. In this case, I think that the dead mafia member would be EAP.
The second one, which assumes the possibility that all three mafia players are still alive, is far less likely, but I feel it is slightly possible that Mike D, Sarah, and either Holls or LLL are Mafia. The source for this idea is something I am not going to share currently, as I am not sure how people would feel about it. All I will say is that I has nothing to do with this current game, what so ever.
I'd really like to hear from JHam about the EAP kill. We two had discussed a tad about her role. What do you think man? I don't see how it supports Scrog being guilty in anyway. In fact, if you look back at the votes it means the opposite. Either the Mafia thought she was inspector or they are trying to make you look guilty because the players that have been whacked have both voted for you.
Edit: Dang! You posted a minute before me. Sorry, if you answered any of this.
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Or she could have slipped in a vote for Scrog under a "Ohh Shucks, I'm new and didn't know what I was doing move." If you remember from Sarah and Scrog's game there was a bunch of "I don't know what's going on" type talk. I don't think this explanation clears her of any guilt at all.
Why wouldn't a newer player play in a reserved manner?
"Clear me of any guilt?" WTF does THAT mean? The only thing I'm guilty of is not understanding this game. My votes are void of malice & ulterior motives. My solitary motive from Day 1 has been to make sense of all this. Srsly, y'all...it's confusing as hell for a first-time player.
Let's reiterate what SHOULD BE painfully obvious by now:
1. I'm a newb, ergo, I'm clueless. No acting here! ???
2. Aren't clueless newbs, statistically speaking, 99% ALWAYS townies because we're too ignorant about the game to pull off any other role? Think about YOUR first game: were you Inspector of Mafia? Yeah, I didn't think so.
3. I'm as honest as the day is long, and I'm tellin' you: I am a townie. If I were anything else, I wouldn't admit my role.
4. It's now Day 3 and I still have NO BLOODY CLUE who I'm supposed to be voting for. What exactly is the point of the game? For townspeeps to identify and kill the Mafia & Inspector (and vice-versa)? I still don't know when all the roles are revealed, if ever. [NOTE: that is NOT a request for information - I'ma stick with my cluelessness for now...not because I don't want to know, but because being genuinely clueless makes the game more tolerable in a "maybe today's the day it all makes sense for me" kind of way.]
5. This game could really use a FAQ page. It would facilitate play and increase the enjoyment for newb players. Just sayin'...
"Clear me of any guilt?" WTF does THAT mean? The only thing I'm guilty of is not understanding this game. My votes are void of malice & ulterior motives. My solitary motive from Day 1 has been to make sense of all this. Srsly, y'all...it's confusing as hell for a first-time player.
Let's reiterate what SHOULD BE painfully obvious by now:
It's pretty simple really. None of us can completely trust each other. If another player is flat out saying I'm mafia, I'm going to dissect their post and point out any error I can because I don't know who they may be protecting or who they are being fooled by. Remember, Mike brought up every player, so if he is mafia then he has to bring up his buddies as well.
If something about that doesn't ring true then it should be brought out. It doesn't mean that person is guilty but it part of the game. Simple put, you can't fully trust anyone.
Basically, him putting you in a not likely category doesn't mean we should trust his opinion on the mater. Him thinking you are an unlikely member doesn't magically make you trustworthy.
He could have several motives: -Trying to get you on his side. -Trying to manipulate the townspeople idea of who is guilty -or maybe he actually thinks you are innocent and you aren't.
Lot's of things to consider, really. That's why it's a hard game and you will be wrong sometimes. That's just how it works.
2. Aren't clueless newbs, statistically speaking, 99% ALWAYS townies because we're too ignorant about the game to pull off any other role? Think about YOUR first game: were you Inspector of Mafia? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Sarah, Scrog and Nothingbutflowers were Mafia their first game. Sarah and Scrog's first games have been brought up several times in this one. The refs usually use random number generators to give out roles. I was a townie my first game and it is hard but none of us can just assume you are innocent. Just like you can't assume I'm innocent.
3. I'm as honest as the day is long, and I'm tellin' you: I am a townie. If I were anything else, I wouldn't admit my role.
I think you probable are. Remember how I removed my vote from you? That doesn't mean I can't have suspicions of you or that you shouldn't have suspicions of me.
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;D
Please help us make some sense out of this.
So if i stay alive, I will continue to listen to everyones thoughts and try to move forward with who i think is innocent. 
Also, I asked you several questions in my response so you had a chance to have the discussion if you wanted to. I'm also pretty positive I've never said you were digging deep or anything like that. I know that parts not directed at me but whatever. I actually try to encourage as much talking as possible.
