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Post by potentpotables on Jun 11, 2020 21:12:18 GMT -5
Agreed with all the S2 love. It took me three watches but this last time (maybe the sixth watch), it was just superb. Definitely agree with the thought that watching it contemporaneously, it was such a shock to the viewer who expected Season 1 ish storylines. Viewing Season 2 in context of the entire series it makes so much sense and fits in so well.
The Sobotka storyline of Frank, Ziggy, and Nick is tragic on so many levels, and it all just goes back to Valchek's small dick energy over a stained glass window. It's genius writing, really.
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Season 1 while you're watching it is superb and has some of the most memorable moments and quotes of the entire series.
Season 3 is brilliant because of the politics in the introduction of Carcetti and his going after Royce. Gotta love Bunny as well. Stringer's demise is goddamn Shakespearean.
Season 4, is probably the most tightly written and hard-hitting, and shows why all of Baltimore is always doomed to fail. It didnt have any right to be this good with the Avon and Stringer angle wrapped and McNulty being mostly out of the picture. But it surpassed all of the genius that came before it. Love Carver in this season.
Season 5. I think on my last rewatch I didnt even finish it. The media angle was such a potentially important piece of the puzzle that just wasn't really done justice. McNulty's character retread was shockingly disappointing. Great final episode to wrap the series, but still the rest is a pretty far cry from everything before it.
The Sobotka storyline of Frank, Ziggy, and Nick is tragic on so many levels, and it all just goes back to Valchek's small dick energy over a stained glass window. It's genius writing, really.
4 2 3 1
5
Season 1 while you're watching it is superb and has some of the most memorable moments and quotes of the entire series.
Season 3 is brilliant because of the politics in the introduction of Carcetti and his going after Royce. Gotta love Bunny as well. Stringer's demise is goddamn Shakespearean.
Season 4, is probably the most tightly written and hard-hitting, and shows why all of Baltimore is always doomed to fail. It didnt have any right to be this good with the Avon and Stringer angle wrapped and McNulty being mostly out of the picture. But it surpassed all of the genius that came before it. Love Carver in this season.
Season 5. I think on my last rewatch I didnt even finish it. The media angle was such a potentially important piece of the puzzle that just wasn't really done justice. McNulty's character retread was shockingly disappointing. Great final episode to wrap the series, but still the rest is a pretty far cry from everything before it.
I find myself closely paying attention to Carver this time around. His story arch is really outstanding, and the growth he shows in Season 4 after his short falls in 3, (kisses fingers) muah!
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Post by potentpotables on Jun 28, 2020 22:18:07 GMT -5
Rewatching season 4 now and the guy who seems to never get his due in discussion is Carver. People talk about Bubbles' story being that of redemption; Carver isn't that far behind, though he's not really redeemed as much as he just continually improves. I love how he takes direction from Daniels and Colvin and becomes a great cop.
Also, I love Rawls. I can't really explain it, but every scene he is in I can't wait for him to speak.
Namond/Dukie/Michael/Randy - the best thing the show does, and they do almost everything well.
Rewatching season 4 now and the guy who seems to never get his due in discussion is Carver. People talk about Bubbles' story being that of redemption; Carver isn't that far behind, though he's not really redeemed as much as he just continually improves. I love how he takes direction from Daniels and Colvin and becomes a great cop.
I understood after one of my re-watches that Carver and Herc have the same path. They both made their ways up through the ranks and got to a level that was highly sought after and something worth hanging on to.
The difference it where they went once they got there. Herc took the shortcuts. He played a bit dirty and in the end got found out and let go from the force. For good reason.
Carver took the teachings of Lt. Daniels more to heart and actually put in the work. He became a "good cop" after a few fuck-ups.
Yeah....Herc ends up making bank on his semi-shady private work but Carver is the one who we are supposed to empathize with. I think it's the moment when they get together later on and start to do the same kind of bullshit they used to do (chase down corner boys with sirens blaring) and Carver realizes that it's stupid and unnecessary. It doesn't actually "fix" anything. It's not actual police work. It's just them enjoying chasing kids and busting heads.
Carver turned out good.
Herc turned out bad. (or at least....didn't learn anything and took the easy pay).
That's one of my favorite arcs. He legitimately feels so upset when he can't help Randy. He tries and fails but the fact that he tries is all that needs to be said.
With the idea being that The Wire is cyclical and that Sydnor becomes the new McNulty, Dukie becomes the new Bubbles, and Michael becomes the new Omar I tend to think of Carver as becoming the new Daniels.
Post by potentpotables on Jun 29, 2020 11:56:32 GMT -5
I was thinking about putting together a tournament of The Wire characters. Here is what I have for the first region, The Cops. I'm still messing around with seeding:
Cops: 1. McNulty 2. Bunk 3. Freamon 4. Daniels 5. Greggs 6. Carver 7. Rawls 8. Colvin 9. Landsman 10. Burrell 11. Herc 12. Syndor 13. Valcheck 14. Beadie Russell 15. Terrance Fitzhugh 16. Dozermann (if you have a replacement for him, let me know; Prezbo is in a different category)
Post by potentpotables on Jun 29, 2020 12:12:36 GMT -5
It's not perfect, but this bracket is the "one season players":
One Season Players
1. Frank Sobotka 2. Michael Lee 3. Randy Wagstaff 4. Duquan Williams 5. Namond Brice 6. Nick Sobotka 7. Ziggy Sobotka 8. Spiros Vandopolous 9. The Greek 10. Augustus Haynes 11. Alma Gutierrez 12. Scott Templeton 13. George "Double G" Glekas 14. Thomas "Horseface" Pakusa
Post by potentpotables on Jun 29, 2020 12:29:20 GMT -5
Fourth Group is called "Periphery Players" - which doesn't speak to the size/importance of their role, just had nowhere else to put them.
Periphery 1. Omar Little 2. Bubbles 3. Mayor Royce 4. Tommy Carcetti 5. Sen. Clay Davis 6. Roland Przbylewski 7. Rhonda Pearlman 8. Dennis "Cutty" Wise 9. Johnny Weeks 10. Sherrod 11. Walon 12. The Deacon 13. Odell Watkins 14. Theresa D'Agostino
is she pro Brother Mouzone or anti Stringer. This is mostly an Anti Stringer take
She's doing a podcast with Van Lathan through The Ringer - "Way Down in the Hole" - and every episode points out as many Stringer Bell "f---boi" moments as possible. She's hard on him.
is she pro Brother Mouzone or anti Stringer. This is mostly an Anti Stringer take
She's doing a podcast with Van Lathan through The Ringer - "Way Down in the Hole" - and every episode points out as many Stringer Bell "f---boi" moments as possible. She's hard on him.
I gotta check it out. Mr. Supply and Demand doesnt do it for me.
Edit: If she is also Pro Season 2 then Im all in on her takes.
She's doing a podcast with Van Lathan through The Ringer - "Way Down in the Hole" - and every episode points out as many Stringer Bell "f---boi" moments as possible. She's hard on him.
I gotta check it out. Mr. Supply and Demand doesnt do it for me.
Edit: If she is also Pro Season 2 then Im all in on her takes.
The first episode is just an overview of the whole show and they both say something like "you can tell who a real fan is because they have come around to season 2".
She knocks Stringer for buying produce at the market (when McNulty's kids play front and follow). That's just harsh.
Is there another notable street character I'm missing? That would make it easy to move Wallace. I suppose someone like Bird, Little Man, or Stinkum. Or maybe Orlando? Even though he's in like 4 episodes his arc in Season 1 is pretty crucial.
Is there another notable street character I'm missing? That would make it easy to move Wallace. I suppose someone like Bird, Little Man, or Stinkum. Or maybe Orlando? Even though he's in like 4 episodes his arc in Season 1 is pretty crucial.
My man, Kenard.
Edit: Unless you're saving all the kids for one bracket. I just noticed most the others weren't listed.
Yeah, I was thinking more his arc or actions, but probably more in S4 than S5 now that I'm about to finish season four. Still, I might have to fudge it unless we get other suggestions.
Fourth Group is called "Periphery Players" - which doesn't speak to the size/importance of their role, just had nowhere else to put them.
Periphery 1. Omar Little 2. Bubbles 3. Mayor Royce 4. Tommy Carcetti 5. Sen. Clay Davis 6. Roland Przbylewski 7. Rhonda Pearlman 8. Dennis "Cutty" Wise 9. Johnny Weeks 10. Sherrod 11. Walon 12. The Deacon 13. Odell Watkins 14. Theresa D'Agostino
Need two more here.
New seeding here:
1. Omar Little 2. Bubbles 3. Roland Przbylewski 4. Tommy Carcetti 5. Sen. Clay Davis 6. Rhonda Pearlman 7. Dennis "Cutty" Wise 8. Walon 9. Mayor Royce 10. The Deacon 11. Odell Watkins 12. Sherrod 13. Nerese Campbell 14. Teresa D'Agostino 15. Johnny Weeks
