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Is it a spoiler listing something that happens in the first two seasons for a five season show from over a decade ago?
Straight up. I'm not even reading this thread unless it's someone quoting me. just wanted to say that. I assumed everyone in the thread has seen the show since I'm so late on this haha.
Hey, guys. This is just another post where someone talks about their favorite parts of the show after a rewatch. Only the second time I watched the series, and the first was 5 years ago. I cringed when I read my comments on my initial impression of the show.
My favorite seasons after this rewatch: 3,4,1,5,2
I think it's been pretty well established that even the worst seasons are good TV. I think 5 was better than 2 though, and I'm a little surprised that most people rank it last. I think 5 starts off weak with McNulty juking the murders, but it didn't get out of hand, and it actually developed somewhat naturally. I am not in the camp that is down on the Baltimore Sun plot line. I think it was the last bureaucratic element of the city of Baltimore that needed t be explored, and I am not familiar with how newspapers run, so I cannot speak to the authenticity of the portrayal, but from a storytelling aspect, it fit in perfectly with the events of season 5 and was therefore relevant and entertaining.
Another thing I appreciated about this show is how they avoided creating drama bloated scenes or story lines out of the events that you might expect them to. The best examples I can think of right now are Bill Rawls in the gay bar and Omar's death. Not that Rawls potentially being gay is big deal, but I think in American culture, most viewers would expect the writers to turn that into a big drama-filled situation. It's refreshing that this show did not take that approach. It was just a thing that happened and was never brought up again, because at the end of the day, who cares?
Regarding the latter, it was sad to see Omar go the way he did, but I respected the way that the writers chose to conclude his story line. It seemed right. That line from Bunk at his murder scene, "So you were back on the hunt, were you?" was great. I kind of like that they didn't turn it into Marlo vs Omar event.
As far as my favorite characters, there are so many to appreciate. Colvin, Bubbles, Michael, Lester, Stringer, Bodie, Bunk . . . Weebey . . . oh, and Norman, and well I guess I can go on a while.
Great show. Really was able to appreciate it so much more this time around. I love the how the shows issues like policing, crime, politics, and even labor. I loved the overall cyclical theme of the show.
This show is just unreal. Watching it has given me a feeling like no other. Holy fuck man. The cycles of Dukie becoming Bubbles, Mike becoming Omar, Naymond probably becoming Clay Davis (but more moral), Carv becoming Daniels. I would write more but I would be writing 329832 words. Can't even rank the seasons cuz they're all so good.
Fave Characters: Omar is number one above all else, then in no order: Marlo, String, Dee, Bubbles, Bodie, Avon.
Just did a rewatch and my new and probably unpopular order is 4,2,1,3,5
season 2 is always better on a rewatch. i think that first time around it's such a shock of a difference from season 1 that it gets judged unfairly as being one a "bad" season of television. but when you know what to expect you can judge it on it's on merits.
personally i'm ok with any ranking that is 3 or 4 first and 5 last, but season 4 is the winner for me.
I think the second to last episode of Season 2 is my favorite in the whole show. The ending with that Greek el figueriii track or whatever as Frank pulls up to the Greeks >>
Bubbles has a lot less redeeming qualities on a rewatch. I think my favorite characters almost completely changed this time around other than Omar and Michael.
Bubbles has a lot less redeeming qualities on a rewatch. I think my favorite characters almost completely changed this time around other than Omar and Michael.
my question would be what’s so great about him? He’s a drug addict that gets his closest friends killed and eventually stops being a drug addict.
I see that. And I don't expect to necessarily convince you with what I have to say..
He was an addict. And that is hard to walk away from. It's hard to walk away from the pain you've caused others, the extreme damage, possibly the death, especially when you have a conscience. All of that makes it that much harder to turn away from your disease. This is what his character demonstrates in the show.
I guess with Bubs, for me, you see him be devastated. He tries to kill himself because of Sherrod. He feels the guilt. This is what the monster of addiction does to him. He feels himself to be irredeemable. He is not sympathetic, even to himself, or to his family.
He isn't an admirable character at all. I agree with you.
But he beats the bug.
I've never been a heroin user. I've never been addicted to something that powerful. But I appreciate that Bubbles, as a character, takes us through all of that. We would all judge him, and so does he judge himself.
He is a great *character*, despite or because of being an extremely complicated person.
I feel that way about Chris (a mass murderer) and McNulty (a serial adulterer and rampant alcoholic) and Prezbo (shitbird who blinds a child, kills a fellow cop). Omar and Michael will readily kill and maim in the name of making money. The Wire does this sort of moral ambiguity/questioning better than any show. That's why it's the best.
my question would be what’s so great about him? He’s a drug addict that gets his closest friends killed and eventually stops being a drug addict.
I see that. And I don't expect to necessarily convince you with what I have to say..
He was an addict. And that is hard to walk away from. It's hard to walk away from the pain you've caused others, the extreme damage, possibly the death, especially when you have a conscience. All of that makes it that much harder to turn away from your disease. This is what his character demonstrates in the show.
I guess with Bubs, for me, you see him be devastated. He tries to kill himself because of Sherrod. He feels the guilt. This is what the monster of addiction does to him. He feels himself to be irredeemable. He is not sympathetic, even to himself, or to his family.
He isn't an admirable character at all. I agree with you.
But he beats the bug.
I've never been a heroin user. I've never been addicted to something that powerful. But I appreciate that Bubbles, as a character, takes us through all of that. We would all judge him, and so does he judge himself.
He is a great *character*, despite or because of being an extremely complicated person.
I feel that way about Chris (a mass murderer) and McNulty (a serial adulterer and rampant alcoholic) and Prezbo (shitbird who blinds a child, kills a fellow cop). Omar and Michael will readily kill and maim in the name of making money. The Wire does this sort of moral ambiguity/questioning better than any show. That's why it's the best.
can't say it any better than piggy pablo. what i'll add is that on first watch, the viewer tends to immediately like Bubbs because he is both tragic and charming. A simple character that is easy to root for amongst a cast of characters that are more complicated, almost all of whom have caused harm to others in some way. But after the first watch you know the full story, that Bubbs has done some down and dirty shit, whether explicit (getting his friend killed) or implicit (we are left to imagine the nightmare he put his sister through, no doubt at a minimum he broke her heart, let her down, and stole from her).
But on second watch through we know the full story, which makes it harder to be compassionate for Bubbs. Which is the nature of addiction in real time, not a sick person that just needs a little help, but a sick person that needs a little help who has rejected that help again and again and again (again, implied given the way his sister treats him).
The audience doesn't have to like Bubbs, he doesn't deserve a round of applause for kicking dope, nor does he think he deserves it. What Bubbs gives us is one of the most realistic depictions of recovery from addiction I've seen in TV or film. When I got clean, early on in my recovery it wasn't a dramatic white-light experience. It was fucking boring. Horribly, depressingly boring to not use anymore, complete hopelessness from the fear that I would feel this way for the rest of my life. I was scared all the time. The only reason I was able to hold on is because people who had done it before told me over and over that it would get better if I stuck around. Thankfully it did.
On a grander thematic note, I think Bubbs represents that while the war on drugs is an abject failure and always will be, recovery from addiction on an individual level is possible, and the only hope is decriminalization/legalization accompanied by the wider availability of healthcare for all.
Again, not disputing your claim that Bubbs isn't that great. But I think his character exemplifies the overall message of the series.
Post by potentpotables on Apr 17, 2020 8:07:32 GMT -5
Jemele Hill and Van Lathan just debuted the first two episodes of their Wire podcast this week. On the podcast, they are doing episode breakdowns, character studies, famous scenes, etc. I've listened to The Prologue where they just talk about the show in general, and I'm about halfway into the Episode One pod. I think they are releasing two a week. Maybe it'll get me to do another rewatch - like the 5th rewatch.
Anybody else decide to rewatch this recently? Just wrapped up Season 3, and a few episodes into 4. God 3 and 4 are so good. A lot of parallels with what’s going on today and Season 3.
Anybody else decide to rewatch this recently? Just wrapped up Season 3, and a few episodes into 4. God 3 and 4 are so good. A lot of parallels with what’s going on today and Season 3.
Did a rewatch recently with my girlfriend who has never seen it and never been to the U.S. before. To say there was culture shock would be an understatement.
Anybody else decide to rewatch this recently? Just wrapped up Season 3, and a few episodes into 4. God 3 and 4 are so good. A lot of parallels with what’s going on today and Season 3.
I just started season 3. Trying to watch in time with Van and Jemele.
Anybody else decide to rewatch this recently? Just wrapped up Season 3, and a few episodes into 4. God 3 and 4 are so good. A lot of parallels with what’s going on today and Season 3.
Everytime I rewatch this show I like season 2 more and more.
Post by The Foot Fuckin' Master on Jun 11, 2020 19:19:49 GMT -5
Watched the entire series two months ago and loved it.
Also to note: the actors who play Clay Davis and Detective Freamon are among the leads in the new Spike Lee movie that's premiering on Netflix tomorrow (Da 5 Bloods).
Anybody else decide to rewatch this recently? Just wrapped up Season 3, and a few episodes into 4. God 3 and 4 are so good. A lot of parallels with what’s going on today and Season 3.
Everytime I rewatch this show I like season 2 more and more.
Agreed, I think on the first watch through s2 is just such a shock because it's so many new characters taking screen time away from the s1 characters. Once you get over that shock on second or third rewatches you can appreciate s2 for what it is, which is a really superb season of television.
Everytime I rewatch this show I like season 2 more and more.
Agreed, I think on the first watch through s2 is just such a shock because it's so many new characters taking screen time away from the s1 characters. Once you get over that shock on second or third rewatches you can appreciate s2 for what it is, which is a really superb season of television.
Yeah and season 2's final episodes are amazing. Not to mention the best outro montage of the series.
Agreed, I think on the first watch through s2 is just such a shock because it's so many new characters taking screen time away from the s1 characters. Once you get over that shock on second or third rewatches you can appreciate s2 for what it is, which is a really superb season of television.
Yeah and season 2's final episodes are amazing. Not to mention the best outro montage of the series.
Yes thank you for mentioning that outro! So incredible.
