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Dude its the first round get over it. It is all I have to go on and it seems I am not alone get off your high horse thinking you are above it.
Sorry, but I am not going to get over it. If you want to play the game then you play with the other people in it. You are letting your personal issues get in the way of winning and you will lose unless you are Mafia again, in which case, you are doing a great job of killing a townie. But fuck it. Who cares! You obviously don't and at this point, I am too drunk to care either. Before I get killed, ill post my pm from fawn saying I am a townie because to hell with the rules when the 3 of you aren't actually following them. You basically said you can't out argue me so you are going to attack how I play. Well joke will be on you, since you don't want to play the actual game. And if I get banned, who cares since it seems you are going to kill me day 1 every time anyways. Your move, since I am figuring at least 1 if not 2 of you are Mafia. Right now, I want to see an eap lll run off. But if I am going to die, I WILL post my pm, consequences be damned.
And triple post FTW. I would not be pissed or break the rules if there was a legit arguement against me but since there is not, thatis why I am pissed. 3 people are killing me simply because they are scared instead of any factual arguement. If the Mafia killed me by out arguing me, I would live with it and learn from it even if it stung. There is no defense against them being scared though other than posting my pm and getting banned. Y'all make your choice. I have given my thoughts. There has been no discussion other than let's kill Viking because we are scared and you are all playing into the Mafias hands since I am a townie.
actually i think that is a quadruple post?? but maybe i don't know anything about counting either.....
i am not sure why you are getting so upset, you only have the same number of votes as LLL and only two more than me. but the fact that you are getting so defensive and freaking out only makes me more glad i voted for you. protest much?
at this point there are no "facts" to go on, only things like people's playing styles. i'm sorry if you disagree with that strategy.
Viking sorry man but you dig your own grave with the way you play, and you're taking this stuff way too personal. This is a game played on a Bonnaroo message board, there is no need to get angry or offended if people vote for you, it makes the game a lot less fun to play.
Unless there is significant movement in votes, the day 1 2cnd runoff will begin at 1pm EDT. Due to the weekend, the day 1 2cnd runoff will not end until Monday.
Day 1 1st Runoff:
Viking - 4 LLL - 4 EAP - 2 Bacon - 1
Viking>> LLL SFA >> LLL LLL >> Viking Nic >> Viking NBF >> EAP Mike D >> EAP KDogg >> Bacon EAP >> Bacon >> Viking Bacon >> LLL Quacker >> Bacon >> LLL MC >> Viking
As I stated above, this will be the last game I play in a while. You talk about the game not being fun. How fun do you think it is for me walking in knowing there is a good chance I will be killed day 1 even as a townies or even if I had been Mafia? And since you ruined the game for me, why should I make it fun for you? Maybe I take it too seriously but at least I actually look at facts and try to actually figure out who is who instead of saying you can't figure me out or I post too long to understand. This is also why I have not moved my vote at this point. I am more sure of LLL being Mafia especially as she ducks this conversation than anymore the rest of you 3 even though it would give me a lot of personal satisfaction to kill eap right now.
I am not running away from it and in fact will offer to ref going forward. I just think it is time for some space so I don't draw multiple votes for how I play in day 1. You get sick of being in day 1 runoffs after a while. Most of you took some time off so I am sure you will understand.
Also this is a protest against having votes period as EAP suggested. I was very clear about that last night even while drunk. It is a rant on why. It really does not matter that I am tied in votes with LLL. If they were legitimite then this would be a different story.
To the Mafia and those who are scared of how I play, as I said, your move. I will post my PM prior to dying but I will not do it sooner nor be goaded into doing it since I will probably be DQed, costing the townies a day 1 Mafia kill. At least then you can all feel good about what role I had.
As I said yesterday, I am at a wedding today, so I cannot check often. I would like to see an EAP LLL runoff for a second runoff but it is all of your choice.
One final thought for MC and Nic, who I actually think may be townies. The fact that I have to go this far to prove my innocence is not fun and frankly, is a bit ridiculous, which is why I am taking time off. Sorry I made it not fun, but as I said above, y'all made it not fun for me.
I will post my PM prior to dying but I will not do it sooner nor be goaded into doing it since I will probably be DQed, costing the townies a day 1 Mafia kill. At least then you can all feel good about what role I had.
I haven't played the last few games or even followed along like I usually do, so I don't know you or your playing style. But if you post your PM, that's a real d!ck move. There are just as many people voting for LLL as are voting for you, and there are almost as many people who aren't voting for either of you, so this take-my-ball-and-go-home bullsh!t just makes you look whiny and kind of guilty. (You definitely wouldn't be the first mafia member to get mad and threaten to quit for being in a first round runoff.)
That said, I could see how it would be frustrating being in multiple first round runoffs in a row (although I don't know how many of those you actually made it through, so that could balance things out a little bit).
There are some other things that interest me at this point, but I think it's too early to talk about them. That's the thing about talk of facts and strategy in the first round. It's really all just feeling each other out to see how people react.
I'm leaving my vote as it is for now because I want to see where the other two votes lie in the next round runoff.
Except I am not taking my ball and going home. I still want us to win but this is the only way I can fuck the Mafia back after they fucked me since they will not point to a real reason for voting for me other than they are scared of how I play. At least you will know you killed a townie instead of a Mafia member.
Just saying I am going to take a break after this game. I didn't think.that was whining. Also, for your reference, this is my 5th first round runoff in a row. I got killed once in Mafia 48 and actually did the take my ball and going home thing that game. I was also Mafia that game.
I really wish someone would have taken my advise about switching the runoff up some. This second round runoff seems way to simple. Trouble is I can't think of a compelling reason to put EAP or Bacon in it either. I was fine with my LLL vote but it almost seems like as soon as she said she was heading out of town the votes came her way.
Edit: I'm originally referring to the intitial runoff.
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Ummmmm...... I've done this plenty of times before?? .
And you have made the point to state that you are generally a "quiet" first round player many times. Anyone who starts piecing together possible Mafia partners out loud during the initial voting of round one is really reaching and appear to be trying to shape the game already. See what I'm gettin' at?
No, not really. If you look at my post you will see I'm speaking in hypothyticals. The mafia setting back could mean that it's noone involved in putting people in the runoff. That was the basis of my argument about moving things around before the runoff started. And I only brought it up because it has worked for us in the past.
I think it's a pretty simple concept. Besides the only person that actually got out of the potential runoff was Kdogg and he's brought my name up in regards to who actuallly got into the runoff. It's not like I was doing myself any favors by "shapeing" the game.
I really wish someone would have taken my advise about switching the runoff up some. This second round runoff seems way to simple. Trouble is I can't think of a compelling reason to put EAP or Bacon in it either. I was fine with my LLL vote but it almost seems like as soon as she said she was heading out of town the votes came her way.
Edit: I'm originally referring to the intitial runoff.
To clarify my vote I was kind of surprised that MC went after Viking and I moved my vote to LLL just because I didn't want a straight vote-off on Viking. I almost regret it after his rant but I don't think it was fair to vote him off without a runoff and the runoff will provide some tea leaves to read.
I really wish someone would have taken my advise about switching the runoff up some. This second round runoff seems way to simple. Trouble is I can't think of a compelling reason to put EAP or Bacon in it either. I was fine with my LLL vote but it almost seems like as soon as she said she was heading out of town the votes came her way.
Edit: I'm originally referring to the intitial runoff.
To clarify my vote I was kind of surprised that MC went after Viking and I moved my vote to LLL just because I didn't want a straight vote-off on Viking. I almost regret it after his rant but I don't think it was fair to vote him off without a runoff and the runoff will provide some tea leaves to read.
I see what you are saying. I thought of switching off of LLL but that just leaves VIking in danger of a strait vote off.
I don't know man. Before Viking's rant I mentioned he was an easy target for the mafia. The number of votes that have came his way make it very hard for me to see him as mafia. Doesn't mean he is innocent but if he were mafia the townies got him out of pure luck.
So we are basiclly looking at a second runoff that's not going to give us much info because I don't see many vote switches coming.
Haha. I wrote that not realizing it had already started. Well this is going to be quite one for awile. LLL should be home by around 4pm tomorrow. She might pick up a signal in the woods but I think she'll save her battery to do her paper work and not play.
It's not just my wordy theory which led to my original vote being cast for him, but that plays a part in this. It's also in favor of spelling, against the hissy fit & threatening to break the rules - think of it as a yellow card for "unTownsperson-like conduct." If we've got two Townspeople here, which we might, I at least want one we can work with going forward.
The reason I helped put LLL in the run-off was it only seemed fair if WVL was there to put the person he was voting for. That said I have little reason to think either is mafia more than any other. If I have to choose I feel like WVL is the more dangerous of the two
My vote for LLL (or more accurately my lack of vote for anyone else) was based on generating a runoff instead of a vote-off. The way things are going I don't see any point in switching from LLL to Viking but I will probably do that if things start to swing the other way and no additional compelling information comes out.
IMO Viking's rant about posting the PM of his role is as bad as LD faking inspector as a Townie. At least LD's action is just bad strategy.
Last effort to promote sanity prior to tonight. Your Mafia are LLL, KDogg and Quacker. The alternate to LLL / KDogg is EAP (although unfortunatly, I think she is just being her self), and if I am wrong on quacker, it is one of the quiet ones. But I am pretty confident I have 2 of 3. Kill me if you want. You will find out tonight you killed a townie. I helped as much as I.could even though it is clear you were all not really interested in listening.
IMO Viking's rant about posting the PM of his role is as bad as LD faking inspector as a Townie. At least LD's action is just bad strategy.
This is true, and if he does it like he's still threatening to do, I'm going to be super pissed, as I'm sure everyone else will be, but, while I think his rants have been somewhat similar to rants I've seen before from mafia backed into a corner in a first round runoff, I'm not so sure that this is not just plain old frustration at being put in first round runoffs over and over again. Honestly, I think I'd be pretty frustrated if I was in five first round runoffs in a row.
I don't really know whether I think Viking is guilty or innocent, but I disagree with voting for someone because I don't like the way he is playing or has played in the past.
Last effort to promote sanity prior to tonight. Your Mafia are LLL, KDogg and Quacker. The alternate to LLL / KDogg is EAP (although unfortunatly, I think she is just being her self), and if I am wrong on quacker, it is one of the quiet ones. But I am pretty confident I have 2 of 3. Kill me if you want. You will find out tonight you killed a townie. I helped as much as I.could even though it is clear you were all not really interested in listening.
To quote Bob Dylan it ain't me babe. I know that to be true. I put LLL into a runoff with you to keep you from being voted straight off. It would be stupid for me to put a Mafia partner into a runoff when it wasn't necessary. I have no idea if LLL is Mafia and didn't really suspect that she was but it was the only way I could cause a runoff at the time.
I also want to thank you for ruining our chances to figure out Mafia from the runoff votes. Everyone is jumping on you after your rant and I don't think Fawn threw 6 Mafia into the game just for a laugh.
To help you promote sanity in this game can you explain your reasoning? Or are you really just channeling LD this game?
I'm sorry Viking but there's just no excuse for the meltdown that you had. Somebody has to get voted off first round and clearly people think that should be you, it's the risk you take when you play the game. Maybe you ought to think about changing up the way you play instead of going ahead and getting yourself banned from the game by posting your role PM. We've all been voted off as a townie, and it sucks, but the better of us just accept it and let the rest of the game play out.
I am more sure of LLL being Mafia especially as she ducks this conversation than anymore the rest of you 3 even though it would give me a lot of personal satisfaction to kill eap right now.
Since I know that in past games you have belonged to the camp of players who like to check log in times, you know that I logged in Friday afternoon and then for a very brief moment Saturday when I had a hotspot signal. I also made it very clear that I would be balancing my Chi this weekend at the Ledges and wouldn't be able to participate. Life outside of Mafia you say? SURPRISE!! The fact that you called it ducking the conversation is just you reaching.
I voted for you to see what your reaction would be, and to watch how others would vote afterwards. I already told you that. Same reasons you gave for your voting earlier in the round. Reactionary. Very telling, and one of the best reasons to vote for anyone in the first round.
You may not be Mafia. But you are acting VERY similar to how you did the last game I played with you when you were Mafia, only I'm not taking the bait this time to travel down your rabbit hole. I've had too much fire roasted corn this weekend and beach time for that. And you saying I'm Mafia is you being WRONG ONCE AGAIN. You can't name every goddamn player as being Mafia every goddamn game and then say that you somehow had some kind of great theory and statistical mumbo jumbo going on and claim that you figured out who Mafia was. WRONG WRONG WRONG.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I've got an instinct that said "Wait a minute, this 6-3 margin is suspicious..." which I would normally have pursued, but I think this situation is different.
I can't entirely separate the usual "Mafia shenanigans" angle from something else that's happening. That would be that some players are citing the threat to break the rules in their basis for voting.
What I see here, to an extent, is the Mafia community reinforcing one of their norms - namely, one that's encoded into our set of rules. While the vote margin made me take notice, I can't approach the situation as I normally would due to that unique circumstance. I'm in a weird position of being wary of that margin, yet comfortable allowing it.
I just hope these "norm-reinforcing" votes don't skew our vote history later in the game, for the Townspeople's sake.
I just hope these "norm-reinforcing" votes don't skew our vote history later in the game, for the Townspeople's sake.
Milcious intent or not I don't see how the vote history won't be skewed. Well, maybe negated would be the better word. I think the best we can hope for is the inspector drawing a name of a player who has done something in this round to lead to one of their mafia buddies.
I do recall a couple games back where Sarah and I voted for EAP in the first round and she ended up being mafia, which sevearl other players were already arguing. The two of us basically voted her because we felt another round of the same old argument wasn't going to help the townies. So I guess it is possible that the "norm reinforcing" votes could all be legit and might be on the right track. Time will tell.
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