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Aside from the elitism inherent in a VIP posting area, I think that it will dillute the entire board. The VIP folks will gravitate over to their area and will post less in the rest of the forum. The rest of the board will thus have an even greater portion of less experienced posters and, since it seems like the original premise is that inexperienced posters don't post very well, there will be a greater portion of the rest of inforoo with poor posts. The whole forum will suffer.
Wait, what? Did I say this by accident? I'm....relaxing(?) after work and didn't mean to say that. I was saying that's one of the threads that will still thrive even with private threads.
I don't think the artist confirmation thread should be public at all, but that's just me. I don't think the public face of inforoo should be encouraging or even allowing any one with a computer to email booking agents pretending to be a pregnant woman.
YES!! I couldn't post much today because I was on my phone, but I can tell you that all of that agent hounding BS was completely uncalled for. And they are watching. A direct quote from an AC/SF employee:
"Angela, lastly. This is all funny but absolutely unethical. Inforoo'ers should leave the agents alone."
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I think Zapp has brought this up before, but I do wish we had more avid discussion about music. I like hearing people discuss their favorite music and why it is so. One of my favorites recently was the modern bluegrass / pop folk discussion in the grievances thread. If private threads could leads to this occurring more often, then I'm all for them.
The Which stage has plenty of awesome music discussion. If there's not a thread for a topic you want to discuss just make one and it'll fill up pretty quick.
I don't think this is completely true, but on second thought, private threads would not alleviate the problem.
I don't think the artist confirmation thread should be public at all, but that's just me. I don't think the public face of inforoo should be encouraging or even allowing any one with a computer to email booking agents pretending to be a pregnant woman.
YES!! I couldn't post much today because I was on my phone, but I can tell you that all of that agent hounding BS was completely uncalled for. And they are watching. A direct quote from an AC/SF employee:
"Angela, lastly. This is all funny but absolutely unethical. Inforoo'ers should leave the agents alone."
The Which stage has plenty of awesome music discussion. If there's not a thread for a topic you want to discuss just make one and it'll fill up pretty quick.
I don't think this is completely true, but on second thought, private threads would not alleviate the problem.
Really? I've always felt like the Which stage has really awesome discussions/reviews/posts about all different kinds of music. Some really cool threads in there. I guess everyone's different though.
All this leaves me with mixed feelings. I do see an up side to having private threads, but I guess after spending so much time as a lurker, I feel I would be a person who would miss out on a lot of stuff. I've never been a big online poster. It took me getting the QSAROO scholarship & actually meeting many of you for me open up. You guys have no idea how many of your posts make my day. As a old married mom of 3, I'm not involved in a lot of fun stuff that's not kid related. This place is it. I just want to continue to get my daily enjoyment from here & would hate to see the entire board suffer. Not saying it would happen, but it makes me wonder. I do think that having this open discussion about it all is a very good thing.
I don't think this is completely true, but on second thought, private threads would not alleviate the problem.
Really? I've always felt like the Which stage has really awesome discussions/reviews/posts about all different kinds of music. Some really cool threads in there. I guess everyone's different though.
I like the Which Stage, I just wish threads there were more numerous and vibrant.
I just read through this whole thread and I've got to say that I'm all for private threads being added. This comes from someone that realizes that I would probably never be invited to any of these threads or meet qualifications for them (maybe in a couple years I'll hit 500 posts). I come on here everyday, unless I'm out of town, and lurked for a good year + before registering. I very rarely post anything because I don't think it'll add much to the discussion or I notice the info I found around the web has already been posted.
Outside of possibly having a slower TML, which isn't assured, I don't see the problem with this. It gives regular posters an easily accessible place to be a bit more open with their opinions and a bit more frank about their lives with other more trusted individuals without worrying about the fact that it's a public board and anything they say could be looked up and used against them later (ie jobs).
The only thing I'd suggest is being heavy handed with the ban hammer if anyone ever quotes someone in a private thread and posts it in a public part of the board. I've been a part of quite a few private boards and it never seemed to stop the traffic of the main areas.
I just read through this whole thread and I've got to say that I'm all for private threads being added. This comes from someone that realizes that I would probably never be invited to any of these threads or meet qualifications for them (maybe in a couple years I'll hit 500 posts). I come on here everyday, unless I'm out of town, and lurked for a good year + before registering. I very rarely post anything because I don't think it'll add much to the discussion or I notice the info I found around the web has already been posted.
Unintentionally, I think that this is also an argument against. The creation of a VIP area, especially one based on posting volume, actively discourages discretion in posting and those like Spacegrass that do only post when they think that they will improve the discussion are left out in the cold.
Post by Mista Don't Play on Jan 8, 2013 22:49:06 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about threads or sub-forums that are invite only. Surely has some pros and cons. I'm not against a sub-forum for long time or high post count members. Maybe with some sort of invite request deal? I don't know. It gets complicated. The "Artist Direct" thread is one that probably should be private to some extent, at least in the way it exists now, but at the same time we don't want to limit or discourage the participation of new boad members.
I think the Which Stage forum is a pretty solid place without much crap, if any, to sift through. Somewhere for the more "serious" members to find a place for discussion, but the topics there aren't necessarily centered around Bonnaroo, hence the issue, I suppose.
I don't know, I can't decide if I think its a good idea or not.
Private threads would make the TML a lot nicer because we wouldn't be so quick to yell at the new people that post dumb sh*t in the middle of a good discussion. We'd save the good stuff for when it's really needed, like anytime GreatAmerican tries to get big in the Headliner thread.
I actually kind of appreciate the namedrop. I really don't mind your presence over there, just think your inforoo double standards are a little childish. It's ok, I'll be sticking around.
Like a few others, I generally lurk about on the TML as I don't really feel that I have anything new or useful to contribute most of the time in that arena. That being said, I would want to be able to at least view what those "in the know" or perhaps "educated guessers" would have to say.
So much to everyone's surprise I'm sure...haha...I'm split on the matter.
I don't really care what you guys decide to do. I do think it's funny that most of the subforums here are wastelands and that you could just create a thread in just about any of them without having TML noobs busting in and dropping dueces unexpectedly. I also think most of these word filters are unnecessary.
I see and hear the pros for private threads, there are some valid points,(bwebs being my favorite) but I agree that having private threads in a public forum is not right. I was always told, it is not polite to whisper in front of other people and that is what I see happening here. If you want to discuss something in private, send a PM.
I would be fine with (but I don't necessarily support) group PMs and/or threads that only certain people can post in (whatever that qualification is) as long as they are visible to all.
I still don't agree with completely private threads. Yes, there are arguments for them as there will always be in any debate. No side is solidly right or wrong. I just think the negatives outweigh the positives (all of which have been stated).
I do think Leland has a point (along with someone who mentioned this in the beginning) that a hidden thread or two will be missed by most. It took me almost 2 registered years + my previous lurking period to find the Newest Threads. But then that brings up the question if that is right to do either when we are so strict about threads being in the right spot and if that is Inforoo supporting an "us vs them" by allowing it.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I think the issue is that many of the new users or users that might not have a personal relationship with many of the "vets" or regular users wont know about many of the discussions that will be happening/or be invited to join in. Many people come to the site to hear what the regular users have to say and learn from that....they are what makes inforoo so wonderful. I can see both sides of this argument, but I personally think it takes away from what inforoo is.
I think the issue is that many of the new users or users that might not have a personal relationship with many of the "vets" or regular users wont know about many of the discussions that will be happening/or be invited to join in. Many people come to the site to hear what the regular users have to say and learn from that....they are what makes inforoo so wonderful. I can see both sides of this argument, but I personally think it takes away from what inforoo is.
Happy "hump day"!
Scenario for everyone:
A group of inforoo regulars have a private thread going about _______ (insert whatever you want). Between posting in that thread and a relating thread in the public forums it's realized that a new member has some good posts and insight. That person is extended an invitation to join the discussion. Does that person enjoy their experience more, not because they're invited into a super secret club, but because he or she now has a very direct and focused discussion about _______, something that clearly interests them? To me, that's a no-brainer. I understand the reservations people have, but I don't think they outweigh the improvement to worthwhile and pointed discussion that would happen.
I would fully encourage (and possibly force) existing members to take on new members in these threads if I felt it'd improve the discussion.
Is the issue paranoia? I'm not being a jerk, I really want to understand why people are so against us having the ability to hold group private messages/threads.
To echo what Juggs said, is it the association of the words "private" and "thread?" It's no more private than members texting each other or FB messaging, only we want to do it here since we are already here. It's no more a "thread" than a private message is: same exact capabilities, just more user-friendly. I think they should be in some kind of forum rather than in just PM form since it'd be tougher to track all the PMs you're a part of vs. having a central location to see these private threads, but whatever I'm not the boss so I don't make that decision.
I want Zapp to be able to have a group discussion about Tactile Tracks with all the people who want to help him without having to deal with 10 different PM strands. I would like to maybe start a NYC-based thread about shows/etc. for people in the Tri-State area, I know the people that live around here are always looking for/sharing info for shows and I think having a private thread that we can post in would be beneficial. I don't need yahoos from Bumblefuck, USA coming in randomly to ask questions about NYC or something, you know? I want to be able to be nice to Phi without the world knowing I was actually nice to him.
I mean, some things are just better off not in the public forums.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Jan 9, 2013 10:49:36 GMT -5
Looks like the 1% are trying to make a place to share booking agents emails and all ROFL when they got half the lineup and we the people get segregated into never ending post of CoS confirmations and how Bowie risk getting dust and sweat in his 66 year old lungs because of his infinite love for the middle of nowhere, TN he would grace us with his presence after being couped up for a decade. Im indifferent as now i see its not juggs tossing people in mass unmarked graves with no supervision.
I mean, some things are just better off not in the public forums.
The detractors will say something like, "well keep it off of the public forums," but the thing is, we're already doing that. We know things are best left off, so we do. This would give a place, within this community, to not leave them off. In my eyes it only adds to what we already have.
The way it is on the Coach boards is ideal--anyone can see these groups exist, every one of them has a 'join' button, it is just up to the creator to place an approval restriction on it. I don't really see many people being left out of something they want to be a part of.
Looks like the 1% are trying to make a place to share booking agents emails and all ROFL when they got half the lineup and we the people get segregated into never ending post of CoS confirmations and how Bowie risk getting dust and sweat in his 66 year old lungs because of his infinite love for the middle of nowhere, TN he would grace us with his presence after being couped up for a decade. Im indifferent as now i see its not juggs tossing people in mass unmarked graves with no supervision.
I mean, I get the criticism, but right now there is NO info from booking agents. So you're saying it's better for the board to have no content about leaks from sensitive contacts, or droogs, or anything like that, rather than have it in group threads, because that's where we are right now. I've really been seeing this as a way to add more content to this board, albeit in a controlled fashion.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Jan 9, 2013 11:00:50 GMT -5
I feel the mods will do an great job relaying the info to the public i get that. Most of that was sarcasm i see what the plan is. Think it will contribute to actual good insight as well as connect Roosters with people who have similar taste as well.
I'm at the Doctors office having my tits squeezed so I have to peck this out on a tiny keyboard. But we are looking at some, I feel, exciting options that would make EVERYONE happy. Give us a little time to test it out.
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal. 
