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I mean, some things are just better off not in the public forums.
The detractors will say something like, "well keep it off of the public forums," but the thing is, we're already doing that. We know things are best left off, so we do. This would give a place, within this community, to not leave them off. In my eyes it only adds to what we already have.
The way it is on the Coach boards is ideal--anyone can see these groups exist, every one of them has a 'join' button, it is just up to the creator to place an approval restriction on it. I don't really see many people being left out of something they want to be a part of.
That doesn't sound like a bad idea however I imagine a lot of ppl being hurt if they aren't let into a discussion, mods dealing with more petty crap, and these groups forming cliques. I do understand for the need to have something that is more easily used to discuss topics between groups of people and I think perhaps a better PM system would be helpful. I'd hate to see a lot of the convos that go on separated from general open discussion. I don't participate and wouldn't ask to join the group but I learn a lot from seeing other's input.
The way it is on the Coach boards is ideal--anyone can see these groups exist, every one of them has a 'join' button, it is just up to the creator to place an approval restriction on it. I don't really see many people being left out of something they want to be a part of.
This seems different to me than what other people are saying. Several people have suggested that it should be like a PM and that if you aren't a part of it, you won't even know it exists.
I can see benefits to what you are describing. In particular, I think there are people who would be interested in certain conversations, and who would not detract from those conversations if involved, but who might not have as much to say, and so, who might not get invited to view a completely private, invitation-only thread (or group, or whatever you want to call it).
But, I think with a thread that people know about and can ask to join, subject to creator approval, you are getting into the territory that some people are concerned will lead to arbitrary exclusion. Personally, I don't have a problem with it either way, but I can see where it could cause others concern.
I feel the mods will do an great job relaying the info to the public i get that.
If private threads are enabled, there is no plan for mods to shuffle information into the light as we see fit. That would kind of negate the idea of privacy.
The detractors will say something like, "well keep it off of the public forums," but the thing is, we're already doing that. We know things are best left off, so we do. This would give a place, within this community, to not leave them off. In my eyes it only adds to what we already have.
The way it is on the Coach boards is ideal--anyone can see these groups exist, every one of them has a 'join' button, it is just up to the creator to place an approval restriction on it. I don't really see many people being left out of something they want to be a part of.
That doesn't sound like a bad idea however I imagine a lot of ppl being hurt if they aren't let into a discussion, mods dealing with more petty crap, and these groups forming cliques. I do understand for the need to have something that is more easily used to discuss topics between groups of people and I think perhaps a better PM system would be helpful. I'd hate to see a lot of the convos that go on separated from general open discussion. I don't participate and wouldn't ask to join the group but I learn a lot from seeing other's input.
I know this is going to piss some people off, but I have to say it. People need to thicken their skin. Yes, personal attacks without cause should never be tolerated and I'll be first in line to tell some mutant to f*ck off if they're picking on someone who simply doesn't have that insult gear in their body, but are people going to be shocked to find out that certain members like other members more than them? I'm fully aware I have people that like me here, people that can't stand me, and everywhere else in between. I think everyone else needs to make that same realization and then it might be easier to see it's not a big deal if people don't want to include everyone in everything.
I think the people supporting the private thread idea are in agreement that it would cause slightly less posting in public threads, but the mainstays of the forums wouldn't be going anywhere, which is what is important. If there are 10 less posts a day in the Headliner thread, for example, will people notice? I doubt it.
I feel the mods will do an great job relaying the info to the public i get that.
If private threads are enabled, there is no plan for mods to shuffle information into the light as we see fit. That would kind of negate the idea of privacy.
Am I reading your post incorrectly?
I mean if yas get wind of a confirmation (say mumford post on FB, brings it to a private thread yous are in, then you'd probably post in a public thread) not transcripts of daftpunk debates
This post really has nothing to do with Inforoo and everything to do with real life. I may sound harsh but I'm only trying to help
Some of you people never matured past High School right? Everyone wants to sit at the football lunch table so damn bad.
Here is a little lesson I learned about Sophomore year in High School and I have been I happier person ever since, able to live my own life: If someone thinks they are too cool for you, fuck'em. You have two ways to react to it, 1 being to get pissed off which plays right in to their hands or 2 ignore them and find people who appreciate you for you. It really is your choice to make.
If private threads are enabled, there is no plan for mods to shuffle information into the light as we see fit. That would kind of negate the idea of privacy.
Am I reading your post incorrectly?
I mean if yas get wind of a confirmation (say mumford post on FB, brings it to a private thread yous are in, then you'd probably post in a public thread) not transcripts of daftpunk debates
I see. We have no intention of doing anything like that.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jan 9, 2013 11:33:27 GMT -5
Yea, people need to stop thinking of it as an invite-only/VIP type thing where secret info will be had. It's more about just having the ability to have a thread-like conversation between multiple people that doesn't take place on the main boards. If Zapp wants to have an ongoing conversation with people that work on his blog but doesn't want to post it on the main board he should be able to. If I want to start a "private thread" about The Felice Brothers and updates about them touring and album news I can post in a thread and ask people "Who wants to be included in the Felice Brothers conversation/updates?".
Each situation will be different. If there are four people who want to talk about gun control away from outside opinions that cause tangents in the political thread they will be able to.
It's not going to be designed as a way for veteran members to share secret insider info that they don't want to share with the rest of the board. If people on here get info they can share without getting someone in trouble...they usually do.
Anyone who thinks that private threads will create cliques and talking behind backs, hasn't been paying attention to inforoo. We have both I'd those in spades already, hell, tinychat in and of itself is designed so members can talk to each other and pm just to talk shit about other people. Not the only function it has, but one used pretty heavily. This place is already like a high school, private threads are not going to suddenly be the downfall of a perfect utopia where everyone is nice to one another and no one would dare talk behind another's back.
Anyone who thinks that private threads will create cliques and talking behind backs, hasn't been paying attention to inforoo. We have both I'd those in spades already, hell, tinychat in and of itself is designed so members can talk to each other and pm just to talk shiz about other people. Not the only function it has, but one used pretty heavily. This place is already like a high school, private threads are not going to suddenly be the downfall of a perfect utopia where everyone is nice to one another and no one would dare talk behind another's back.
Get real, seriously.
Also, quoting this since I bumped it to a new page and this is an excellent point.
It's amazing to me how many people are completely missing what is actually being discussed. They see the words "private" and immediately think it's some exclusionary elitist conspiracy to which they won't be invited, not realizing that anyone would have the ability to create these groups/circles/threads as they see fit. It's literally no different than a group PM with a lot more flexibility.
Lets get real and say what it really is. It is encouraging cliques over community. Plain and simple. And even if its not, or you don't see it that way, the perception is and will remain that of the excluded.
Lets get real and say what it really is. It is encouraging cliques over community. Plain and simple. And even if its not, or you don't see it that way, the perception is and will remain that of the excluded.
So your stance is that inforoo doesn't have cliques? Just because you're the lone wolf doesn't mean everyone else is.
Post by EthnicallyCrimean98476 on Jan 9, 2013 12:00:19 GMT -5
I don't understand the reasoning line of reasoning that holds that this is a public forum, thus everything that happens here must always be public. Is there some Inforoo constitutional amendment that claims that everything that happens here must be available to everyone/anyone? It makes no sense to me. Why should a forum be restricted from having private threads just because it has never had them in the past?
If someone says spirit of Bonnaroo in reply, I'm going to punch through my drywall.
I think the issue is that many of the new users or users that might not have a personal relationship with many of the "vets" or regular users wont know about many of the discussions that will be happening/or be invited to join in. Many people come to the site to hear what the regular users have to say and learn from that....they are what makes inforoo so wonderful. I can see both sides of this argument, but I personally think it takes away from what inforoo is.
Happy "hump day"!
Scenario for everyone:
A group of inforoo regulars have a private thread going about _______ (insert whatever you want). Between posting in that thread and a relating thread in the public forums it's realized that a new member has some good posts and insight. That person is extended an invitation to join the discussion. Does that person enjoy their experience more, not because they're invited into a super secret club, but because he or she now has a very direct and focused discussion about _______, something that clearly interests them? To me, that's a no-brainer. I understand the reservations people have, but I don't think they outweigh the improvement to worthwhile and pointed discussion that would happen.
I would fully encourage (and possibly force) existing members to take on new members in these threads if I felt it'd improve the discussion.
Is the issue paranoia? I'm not being a jerk, I really want to understand why people are so against us having the ability to hold group private messages/threads.
To echo what Juggs said, is it the association of the words "private" and "thread?" It's no more private than members texting each other or FB messaging, only we want to do it here since we are already here. It's no more a "thread" than a private message is: same exact capabilities, just more user-friendly. I think they should be in some kind of forum rather than in just PM form since it'd be tougher to track all the PMs you're a part of vs. having a central location to see these private threads, but whatever I'm not the boss so I don't make that decision.
I want Zapp to be able to have a group discussion about Tactile Tracks with all the people who want to help him without having to deal with 10 different PM strands. I would like to maybe start a NYC-based thread about shows/etc. for people in the Tri-State area, I know the people that live around here are always looking for/sharing info for shows and I think having a private thread that we can post in would be beneficial. I don't need yahoos from Bumblefuck, USA coming in randomly to ask questions about NYC or something, you know? I want to be able to be nice to Phi without the world knowing I was actually nice to him.
I mean, some things are just better off not in the public forums.
This is a public board, you have facebook right? I think the idea of trying to do secret things on a Public board because you do not like someone or do not want to see new people post or whatever is just silly. I am not offended by the idea, I just think that in today's marvelous computer age you can figure out a way to do it somewhere else. Start a chat and PM people or a facebook group, or whatever but I see no need for private music conversations on a public board.
It's amazing to me how many people are completely missing what is actually being discussed. They see the words "private" and immediately think it's some exclusionary elitist conspiracy to which they won't be invited, not realizing that anyone would have the ability to create these groups/circles/threads as they see fit. It's literally no different than a group PM with a lot more flexibility.
Lets get real and say what it really is. It is encouraging cliques over community. Plain and simple. And even if its not, or you don't see it that way, the perception is and will remain that of the excluded.
I want to be very clear what I want: A way to a discussion with ONLY inforoo community members. I don't care who they are. Everyone involved enough in inforoo to have commented on this thread is completely cool with me and I'd gladly speak my mind and tell my life story to any of you. But there are some things I don't want visible to the Johnny Dildo's of the world, who can cruise in here, add nothing, then cut and paste it onto Bonnaroo's facebook page.
I get that everyone wants Inforoo to be a community, but right now it's not. There's a core of people who provide content, but there a lot of people who literally only lurk and I struggle to consider them "community" members.
Post by gardenfresh on Jan 9, 2013 12:04:21 GMT -5
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
I don't see how encouraging active Inforoo users to communicate outside of Inforoo is good for the community.
This is a public board, you have facebook right? I think the idea of trying to do secret things on a Public board because you do not like someone or do not want to see new people post or whatever is just silly. I am not offended by the idea, I just think that in today's marvelous computer age you can figure out a way to do it somewhere else. Start a chat and PM people or a facebook group, or whatever but I see no need for private music conversations on a public board.
Sigh.
Okay, firstly, while this board is public that doesn't mean everything about it should be public. Does that mean we can't hide our emails anymore? PUBLIC INFORMATION ONLY!
No, because our emails are private and we have a right to that privacy.
Let's say an inforoo member wants to hold a discussion with a group of people about a personal issue. Let's say they want to include Juggs in that discussion for a certain expertise he has. None of us (besides the mods) know how to contact Juggs besides through this board. We aren't allowed to have him be part of the discussion because we're not facebook friends? We come here BECAUSE we don't want to interact on Facebook and places like that. That's part of the allure, and saying that we aren't allowed to hold private conversations here is assuming that everyone here is friendly or has contact information for everyone on the board. It's illogical.
All the detractors from this idea are talking about the sense of community. How is sending people to other websites and avenues of communication harvesting a feeling of community?
"Oh? What's that? You want to have a discussion with X, Y and Z without having it public? Go to Facebook, what does this look like? A message/discussion board?"
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
Just because you don't deem something necessary, does not mean that others think the same way. It was suggested because numerous people think it is necessary to continue to foster positive discussion.
This post really has nothing to do with Inforoo and everything to do with real life. I may sound harsh but I'm only trying to help
Some of you people never matured past High School right? Everyone wants to sit at the football lunch table so damn bad.
Here is a little lesson I learned about Sophomore year in High School and I have been I happier person ever since, able to live my own life: If someone thinks they are too cool for you, fuck'em. You have two ways to react to it, 1 being to get pissed off which plays right in to their hands or 2 ignore them and find people who appreciate you for you. It really is your choice to make.
I wholeheartedly agree. However, I don't like having to deal with that HERE. This should be, in my opinion, a community accepting of everyone, not the lunchroom at a high school where the prick jock azz holes are segregated from the emo kids and the dweebs and the band members and all that. (I'm not saying anyone is in any of these groups or shares any characteristics of any person or people or stereotyping anything or anyone, simply using an understood scenario to illustrate a point)
This is way too much to read all of, so sorry if this was mentioned somewhere already.
I would think a private board would be a logistical nightmare. If you want a more private discussion, why don't you just start a private Facebook group? Invite those you want.
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
Really? List the "several easy" ways I can communicate to a specific group of people on Inforoo where they can all see each other's responses and interact with one another.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Jan 9, 2013 12:08:34 GMT -5
Another example of a thread I'd like is a music business/legal advice thread. I think the lawyers here would be ethically restricted from posting anything substantive in an open thread, but could speak more freely in a group thread.
Lets get real and say what it really is. It is encouraging cliques over community. Plain and simple. And even if its not, or you don't see it that way, the perception is and will remain that of the excluded.
So your stance is that inforoo doesn't have cliques? Just because you're the lone wolf doesn't mean everyone else is.
Hello,
How about that ride in? I guess that’s why they call it Sin City (hahaha)
You guys may not know this, but I consider myself…a bit of a loner. I tend to think of myself as a one man wolf pack. But when my love of Bonnaroo brought Horn home, I knew he was one of my own. And my wolf pack, it grew by one. So were two…so there was two of us in the pack. I…I was alone first in the pack, and then Horn joined in later.
And 6 months ago, when Horn introduced me to you guys. I thought…wait a second, could it be. And now I know for sure, I just added many more inforoosters to my wolf pack. Many of us wolves and pandas running around the desert together, in Las Vegas looking for strippers and cocaine. So tonight, we make a toast!
If there was currently no way for a group of members to privately communicate with each other, this would be revolutionary.
But since there are several easy to use free methods available to do so, there is really no need for this. Justify and argue that it won't have any negative effect all you want. Bottom line-- this isn't something needed.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Inforoo ain't broke.
I don't see how encouraging active Inforoo users to communicate outside of Inforoo is good for the community.
