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I'd love to see HOF have Phish or even better Furthur, but I don't see the city being happy about that. The city has made it very clear about their interest in keeping it family friendly and for lack of a better phrase "no wooks."
"It was a conditional commitment with the council having to approve the festival’s plans each year and having the ability to pull the plug if it strayed too far from the city’s family-friendly image."
Expect Jack Johnson arena faux-folk indie blugrass malarky band(s) Country and/or Panhandle rock acts
You can forget about them getting Phish or Furthur. Or ANY metal, punk, hard rock acts. Best case scenario is if they get Neil Young & Crazy Horse and Vampire Weekend. That seems even less likely now though.
If Gulf Shores wants to fuck this up then that's fine. Fuck 'em. I'll just go to Wanee instead, to a community that actually appreciates the money I bring in.
I'd be interested in reading Dr. Chang's study. I had him at South a few years ago and he is a cool dude.
But I really don't think the economic impact is the main issue, since the Fest obviously has a positive economic impact. I think this is the issue:
"Councilman Joe Garris said he was particularly interested in finding out how residents view the event. Although that will not be part of the economic analysis, Garris said it would be ideal to delve into that issue after the financial impact is calculated since the city is on the back end of its five-year commitment."
So Councilman Joe Garris wants to get a few stories about how residents don't like the traffic or the wook smell so he can shut down the devil music festival. Its really all about the music, because no one ever complains about Shrimp Festival, which has just as many drunk jagbags as any music festival.
...it sounds like they're just doing what they should. And, of course it has a positive economic impact, so this will just ensure a new contract. The council has no say on the bands and won't in the future. The HO just books acts that fit their demo. To say HO wouldn't have Phish or Further is silly.
What is it that the festival is "forcing the community to go through"? Seems dramatic.
Horrible horrible things like servers making more money in just one weekend than they make in any other month out of the year. Condos raking in $20M+ after booked full the only weekend out of the year. Locals getting hooked up with cheap black friday tickets and opportunities to go to the fest for free by volunteering or by press/guest passes. In reality, it's probably just a handful of rich old people that live in the condos year round using their money (read power to influence voting in that area) to control the actions of the city council because the fest makes them lose sleep 4 nights out of the year.
...it sounds like they're just doing what they should. And, of course it has a positive economic impact, so this will just ensure a new contract. The council has no say on the bands and won't in the future. The HO just books acts that fit their demo. To say HO wouldn't have Phish or Further is silly.
What do you mean "what they should do?" That agreement is in the existing contract...hence the fest getting even more lame in the past two years due to them deciding to shut down late night shows in gulf shores after 2011 (that wasn't just due to "noise," but because of spun WSP wooks roaming/raging the beach past dawn) and restrict certain genres like metal, punk, hard rock, etc. They slipped SCI by them in 2012 only because the council probably didn't know any better, but they are well aware what Phish or Furthur would bring there. Hell, even NOLA doesn't want that shiit in their city anymore. This is exactly what they mean by family-friendly image.
Gulf Shores and Orange Beach is a boring live music wasteland and has gotten infinity worse in just the last year in terms of shows being booked at the Wharf. In fact, there hasn't been a single show there worth going to this year. Last year, there was only like 3 shows worth half a shiit if my memory serves correctly: Jimi Hendrix tribute show, Snoop Dogg, and Ringo Starr & His All-Starr Band.
I'm saying that assessing the impact of an event is not a novel concept for city governments. As far as the yahoos on the council expressing any reservation, that's not unusual either. Every event, development....i.e. any change in any town or city in this country gets pushback. Usually, they're just trying to leverage/blackmail their way into personal benefit.
I just don't agree at all that the HO is restricted at all on bands they would theoretically want to bring in. B'roo doesn't do metal and 'hard' rock either. Is that because of some restriction? No, I don't consider Tool either one of those genres. Who are Trey fans other than phish fans?... How about SStoopid being there twice?....it's one long drug reference of a show!(and a good one)
You don't get good bands down there in general because there are no people.
Hangout will go on as planned because it brings in a bunch of money. All it will take is the new owner of the fest to grease the local wheels, standard operating procedure in Baldwin County. This is clearly being brought up because a local doesn't own it anymore so they gotta be sure they get paid.
Post by klimfactor on Jun 18, 2013 15:03:20 GMT -5
This isn't such a big deal for me, coming from outside the region. I couldn't have asked for a better time this year, but if they propose a half-a$@ lineup in 2014 I'll simply transition to another fest elsewhere. I will miss the seafood, though, particularly the oysters!
I'm saying that assessing the impact of an event is not a novel concept for city governments. As far as the yahoos on the council expressing any reservation, that's not unusual either. Every event, development....i.e. any change in any town or city in this country gets pushback. Usually, they're just trying to leverage/blackmail their way into personal benefit.
Yes, I agree. I was just saying that this was already done before the fest even started and they are just now flexing their diicks within the past couple of years from what they learned during the first two years. And they are just now admitting to this publicly: "It was a conditional commitment with the council having to approve the festival’s plans each year and having the ability to pull the plug if it strayed too far from the city’s family-friendly image."
I just don't agree at all that the HO is restricted at all on bands they would theoretically want to bring in.
How exactly do you interpret the above quote then? I strongly feel like it means they can pull the plug on any booking if they feel it is not family friendly. There's really no other way to interpret it.
B'roo doesn't do metal and 'hard' rock either. Is that because of some restriction? No, I don't consider Tool either one of those genres. Who are Trey fans other than phish fans?... How about SStoopid being there twice?....it's one long d reference of a show!(and a good one)
Is this a joke?
Roo had Baroness and Swans this year. In 2012 they had a whole day of metal & punk in that tent: Pelican, Bad Brains, Flogging Molly, Puscifer, DANZIG LEGACY, Alice Cooper Same thing in 2011: Graveyard, Kylesa, The Sword, Opeth, NOFX, The Black Angels And Tool is definitely a metal band. Roo has been booking some great metal every year with a slight decrease this year, but I suspect that was mostly because Download fest scooped up most everyone they would have been interested in getting before they had time to act. The fact that they got f'n Swans made up for it though. I could go on, but I believe you should have my point by now. Another point is that Metal and Punk are not that big of a draw down here on the coast. So that is another reason why Huka avoids them aside from them not having the proper connections to book them. Never seen them book a legitimate metal/punk show ever. I think Motorhead and Primus are the only metal bands that have played hangout (and I'm being generous calling Primus metal because they're really jam-funk-metal and the only reason Motorhead was booked was because they were touring with Foo Fighters). And no, Coheed is not metal. And Slightly Stoopid is irrelevant. They have derp fans that like to smoke weed. They'll book bands like that because it's like releasing a few hundred wounded deer for the wolves (LEOs) to pounce upon. Booking Phish or Furthur would completely overwhelm the baldwin county LEOs and fill the whole town with druqs. Increasing the chances that some Councilman's grandson lands in the hospital from boofing too much K or granddaughter get's their stomach pumped from ingesting too much mollie and semen.
You don't get good bands down there in general because there are no people.
Oh, there's plenty of people. A 3 day WSP wharf run would sell out quickly, but that mess got cockblocked this year. And they're not willing to gamble on anything other than country mega stars now because that's family friendly and brings in the money apparently.
ABB is a huge maybe, but I really don't think the other two will ever happen at this fest. And after talking to one of Saul Zislin's friends at the Dawes / Shovels & Rope show at the music box recently, I feel they're not even going to try for Phish this year.
Hangout will go on as planned because it brings in a bunch of money. All it will take is the new owner of the fest to grease the local wheels, standard operating procedure in Baldwin County. This is clearly being brought up because a local doesn't own it anymore so they gotta be sure they get paid.
Phish 2014 for the 5th annual fest
The new "owner" won't have anything to do with booking. Huka is still in control aside from having to have approval from the city council that their bookings are family friendly.
We'll find out in February, but this fest will never top the 2011 lineup.
Schlong, you've been on here long enough to read previous articles where the promoters stated flatly that the city had zero say over artists. No one would run a fest that way and it wouldn't work in a practical manner.
I concede, 'Roo is a metal mecca.
Your Stoopid explanation is S_u_i_ .....you guessed it.
WSP sells out because their fans travel for weekend multi-day events...that's the exception.
No one wants to run the festival that way, but unless they choose a new venue, I don't think they have a f'n choice. I'm not saying that they have complete control over all of the artists. I am saying that they have been approached about not allowing Phish or Furthur to play there.
Sorry, the Stoopid explanation was a joke. I don't care for them and think that most of their fans are idiots.
Then why didn't the WSP run happen at the Wharf this year? Why would they not want three sell out shows in a row and all of that money flowing into Gulf Shores and Orange Beach? Why isn't the Wharf booking a gotdamn thing except for country right now? I think Steely Dan, Fleetwood Mac, Lionel Richie, Hall & Oates, Black Sabbath, and many other acts touring this year would have done well there.
Post by Zen Arcade on Jun 18, 2013 20:34:48 GMT -5
The whole Gulf Coast is a train wreck. Hangout is the only thing that draws in anyone worth going to see really. I mean, the Wharf only books country and christian bands now, the Pensacola Bay Center OCCASIONALLY reels in a 311 every once in a while, other than that it's country and cock rock, and DeLuna Fest is no more. Vinyl Music Hall pulls in great shows all the time but nobody goes because Pensacola is such a last-minute town. In Mobile, Soul Kitchen gets one or two decent shows a year (they blew their load on Deftones this year), the Music Box is great but mostly caters to locals taste, they as well tear down the Civic Center, and BayFest.... well, is BayFest. I love how they say BayFest is "family friendly" and then they book bands like Buckcherry. Biloxi is only good for the casino shows (that I'm still months away from going to most of them), except for the rare Elton John grab every once in a while.
Post by CheesedickOrDie76 on Jun 18, 2013 22:40:56 GMT -5
EDP nailed it. Given the occasional show in Biloxi or Pensacola, the music scene between the city limits of those two cities and north to Birmingham (so Mobile and all the land in between Shelby County AL, Jackson County MS and Escambia County FL) is a complete wasteland. We get ZERO compared to most other places and it is purely because of the stigma created by the local people and the history of how music promoters have been treated over the years (read: Mobile Civic Center). It's terrible. I pray to every god imaginable that the city of GS doesn't make the same mistake with HMF.
Post by mattlikesrock on Jun 19, 2013 11:00:21 GMT -5
They are asking for band suggestions for next year on Facebook. Everyone go request good bands. Maybe we could all even agree on a few reasonable requests and request them over and over.
Schlonginus, why don't you start a consulting agency since you know everything about how the concert industry works down here lol
You are so matter of fact on a lot of this when you really have no clue.
"Friend of Shaul" LULZ Shaul is f'n done, son. He is gone and has nothing to do with the festival. If he doesn't play his cards right after burning bridges this year his restaurant will be surrounded by dumpsters during the fest next year.
Since when is Shaul not the owner of the festival? SFX bought Huka Entertainment. Huka gets paid by Shaul for their promotion and booking services. And the City Councilmen have had Shaul's nutsack in a pair of vice grips since the beginning. They just didn't start tightening them until 2011 by turning the festival into a LEOs playground. Then they tightened them even more with the enforcement of sound curfew in 2012. I don't have direct proof other than them admitting that the festival plans have to be approved by the city council every year, but I think they layed down some ground rules on the types of acts that can be booked this year (blasphemous devil music in the form of metal/punk/hard rock and certain artists that would draw a type of crowd that they do NOT want in their town [ie Phish/Furthur/ICP]) and those rules will certainly apply for next year and the new X year contract made for 2015 and beyond. This is just a major hunch that I have. You don't have to believe it. I am just telling you now, so I will look like f'n Nostradamus come February. I hope I'm wrong.
It was explained to me at the festival this year that Shaul sold out, and that this is why the fest cut major corners on production etc etc
There was a huge amount of infighting within the festival this year. I know the press release says that he still owns the fest but I was told otherwise.
The whole metal thing you keep bringing up is a dead horse. Hangout started as a hippie/jam festi. The Hangout restaurant doesn't have metal or punk bands. They are out of place at Hangout really.
I would love to have ICP at Hangout. All that Faygo would be refreshing since we can't get in the water. =D
The only corners that were cut that I noticed were to VIP and that was because they probably didn't sell half as many VIP, super VIP, & Big Kahuna tickets as they did last year due to the lineup. So they made the main stage VIP stage area smaller and cut down on the quality and amount of booze. The production for the rest of the rest of festival was even better than previous years IMO. We all noticed improvements and talked about them in the 2013 thread. The quality of the headliners suffered because they wasted too much time trying to get Radiohead, Paul McCartney, and Mumford only to be shot down by all of them and end up settling for what they got. Particularly Macca...that's who they were in negotiations with for a while before getting Stevie. Shaul even flew over to the UK to meet with his people at one point. You know I'm down with the clowns, but I don't see them going after ICP ever.
They are asking for band suggestions for next year on Facebook. Everyone go request good bands. Maybe we could all even agree on a few reasonable requests and request them over and over.
The only thing I got from those comments was that Incubus is way way way more popular than I thought.
Post by glitterous on Jun 19, 2013 21:22:40 GMT -5
I'm curious about the MTV-Hangout connection. Do they film the whole thing? Do you have to sign a waiver or anything? Is it implied that if you attend, they can film you at any time?
Considering they let women get raped on their reality shows and have revoked their "no-violence" policy on "The Real World" to boost ratings, I have no interest in being involved in any of their productions. I love music, but if something happened to me on the property, I wouldn't want it to get swept under the rug.
I know this sounds paranoid, but I have a real distrust of MTV. I feel like they're about the shadiest of the television stations at this point.
I've never seen people there that were obviously from MTV or asking people to be filmed to be on MTV. I think they just hire the MTV crew to film the sets so that it can be streamed online. I don't know, I've always been at the fest and have never seen what they air on MTV. The only people that I have seen going around asking festival attendees to be interviewed or whatever was local derps like Mod Mobilian and all you have to do is tell them to fuck off. Some duder came up to caddyshaq and I at Bonnaroo a few days ago and asked if he could video us, as we were obviously walking fast from one set to another, and we basically told him "not if you want to keep your spleen."
Post by PosterNutbag on Jun 20, 2013 9:24:02 GMT -5
Ahhhh yes the Hangout thread
So bitter. So wonderful.
2 cents on why Gulf Shores hates Hangout: I met some locals in 2012, they let me park at their house because I befriended their son, but the older women (his aunt and grandma) were just convinced that within the hangout gates was the 7th circle of hell. They envisioned flailing bodies collapsing at any moment, complete anarchy, heroin needles being passed around like jelly beans.
They're old time southerners who have probably only left to go to PCB or another equally as redneck place, they see thousands of drunk people wombling past their house and assume they're on bath salts & just might eat their faces. If only they knew it was really just frat boys pretending to be heady...
Whoa, some of you are bananas. Nothing has changed as far as ownership. The Zislans are the owners of the Hangout. Huka Entertainment books the music and the city has very little say in who gets booked. Do you all honestly think that a few comments on a online article reflect the community as a whole? There are way more people in Gulf Shores who love Hangout than those who don't. Gulf Shores doesn't hate Hangout. You know how many folks I saw in the Carlos who were tickled to death to see Stevie Wonder from their balcony? AS A SURPRISE?!?!? What kind of feedback do you think those folks give the city when they leave?
This article is nothing new, why is everyone going crazy over it? Don't answer that actually. It's just more of the same. Hangout has ALWAYS maintained a family-friendly event status. It was the first thing that I was ever told about the fest in 2010. Some of you are freaking out big time over absolutely nothing. But I do enjoy most of you in this thread, I'm not breaking up with you.
Phish • Neil Young & Crazy Horse • Arcade Fire Vampire Weekend or My Morning Jacket • Whoever the big electro act is next year.
Man, I sure would like to see Queens of the Stoneage, Sigur Ros, Beck or some more top tier indie stuffs.
I hope it's this Zedd gentleman. I disdain most electro but this guy won me over a bit last night on Fallon. Go to about 2:40 to see it. I would want to check out this song live.
Whoa, some of you are bananas. Nothing has changed as far as ownership. The Zislans are the owners of the Hangout. Huka Entertainment books the music and the city has very little say in who gets booked. Do you all honestly think that a few comments on a online article reflect the community as a whole? There are way more people in Gulf Shores who love Hangout than those who don't. Gulf Shores doesn't hate Hangout. You know how many folks I saw in the Carlos who were tickled to death to see Stevie Wonder from their balcony? AS A SURPRISE?!?!? What kind of feedback do you think those folks give the city when they leave?
This article is nothing new, why is everyone going crazy over it? Don't answer that actually. It's just more of the same. Hangout has ALWAYS maintained a family-friendly event status. It was the first thing that I was ever told about the fest in 2010. Some of you are freaking out big time over absolutely nothing. But I do enjoy most of you in this thread, I'm not breaking up with you.
Phish • Neil Young & Crazy Horse • Arcade Fire Vampire Weekend or My Morning Jacket • Whoever the big electro act is next year.
Man, I sure would like to see Queens of the Stoneage, Sigur Ros, Beck or some more top tier indie stuffs.
I hope it's this Zedd gentleman. I disdain most electro but this guy won me over a bit last night on Fallon. Go to about 2:40 to see it. I would want to check out this song live.
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