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I follow politics a lot, and talk about it more than average. But there is a time and place for everything, and I do have moments where I don't want to think or hear or talk politics. Work is one of those places where I like to be politics free.
One guy however, all weekend long every time I cross paths with him I can hear him going off on Bernie Sanders. People can feel free to not like Bernie, that's their right. My issue is, this guy seemingly doesn't stop talking shit about Bernie and his supporters. In the morning, during lunch, at the end of the day - whoever is nearby is hearing his never ending ranting.
It's work. I wish people were neutral while on shift. I am pretty sure people don't want to hear my opinions, and its not the time or place anyway.
Oh boy........... This is more of a situation of I don’t know what to do and I’m looking for advice. The first paragraph is more background info. The real crazy shit is the next paragraph.
I have made fun of a coworker on here before. She is a chronic pathological liar and world class idiot. She is always leaving work early and lying about why. Lies about what she did during the weekend to other people. Tells one person she went to New York, tells another she had a party in her apartment, tells another person she went to Vegas. I know through coworkers that she has serious pill problems and drinks on the job. I'm certainly not in a position to judge and I'm not someone who rats up the organizational chart. However..............
She left at 11:15am on Friday and never came back. She was called out for it on Monday and told my manager that she has cancer. She left work Friday for an emergency surgery and didn’t feel comfortable telling people. She is claiming some type of stomach/colon/pancreatic cancer. She is 22 and was back at work on Monday which I found surprising to be back so soon. I do know that any intestinal cancer is really rare for someone of her age. She claimed she was out of work today for another procedure but she is sending people at the office snapchats and uploading pics to her Instagram. She has work entered into our database from Friday and it is time-stamped during the time she claimed her operation was happening. Today, when someone she believes likes her but really doesn't asked her what the deal was, she admitted to someone she isn’t telling the truth.
The problem with me bringing this up is she tried to get me fired two different times about a month ago. She told HR that I hit her in the face with a basketball. It was another coworker who did it. She knew who really did it and lied that it was me instead. The second time she said I slammed a door on her and told her everyone hates her. Fortunately there were multiple witnesses to say otherwise. So ever since then, I have been keeping my distance. But I am 100% confident that I am working with someone who is lying about having cancer. Besides her being one of the worst individuals I have ever known, I don’t know how to handle this from an HR perspective. Her father is a high powered sports agent/attorney and I would like to avoid pissing off this woman's family. Open to hearing people’s thoughts.
So the most important question here is how big a company? How solid is the ethics reporting process (anonymously) in your HR? There's a bunch of issues here - first is, she clearly needs psychological, and other, help for what seems to be multiple issues. Just from what you've written she sounds like someone who could eventually be a danger to herself/others. However, next issue - with you clearly not being the person that could convince her to get help, your concern is getting her out of your organization so she can't wrongly damage you, at least, any more. You have to make sure you're not seeking revenge for her claims if you do report this, because of the non-retribution rules that exist (it can't even appear like you're just getting her back for her earlier claims). So if you have a large enough company and a trustworthy enough HR that has a written process (they should if they're more than 50 people), just lay out to them what you've seen from her as an ethics violation and that you wish to remain anonymous. There is at least one witness, it seems, who has first hand knowledge she's lying and as much as it sucks to "rat people out" it's the right thing to do here.
The issue outside the issue, which you probably can't control, is how the hell are there no managers/leaders catching on to her multiple issues?
She will be caught, eventually. I'm just not sure how long you can put up with this BS before it happens. And claiming cancer when you don't have it is the epitome of disgusting.
The key here is as Pop says, if you can report it to HR anonymously. And you would need to be upfront with them about her past two times trying to get you fired.
So the most important question here is how big a company? How solid is the ethics reporting process (anonymously) in your HR? There's a bunch of issues here - first is, she clearly needs psychological, and other, help for what seems to be multiple issues. Just from what you've written she sounds like someone who could eventually be a danger to herself/others. However, next issue - with you clearly not being the person that could convince her to get help, your concern is getting her out of your organization so she can't wrongly damage you, at least, any more. You have to make sure you're not seeking revenge for her claims if you do report this, because of the non-retribution rules that exist (it can't even appear like you're just getting her back for her earlier claims). So if you have a large enough company and a trustworthy enough HR that has a written process (they should if they're more than 50 people), just lay out to them what you've seen from her as an ethics violation and that you wish to remain anonymous. There is at least one witness, it seems, who has first hand knowledge she's lying and as much as it sucks to "rat people out" it's the right thing to do here.
The issue outside the issue, which you probably can't control, is how the hell are there no managers/leaders catching on to her multiple issues?
I work for a Fortune 500 company. We have a large corporate HR department but have 0 HR in our office. Everyone in the office besides my manager is aware of this so I hope someone else brings this up. The manager is the only one who doesn't see this and he is generally clueless and incompetent at everything. She is a very poor liar and she will get her due soon. I appreciate the information.
The likelihood of you reporting it and staying anonymous is really low. In my understanding of HR policy a complaint will be handled with the most discretion possible but making a claim will require you to be interviewed and others to be interviewed. Anonymity will be out the window.
Also to some degree whether or not she's lying about where she is doesnt matter as long as shes not in violation of a policy. If she has PTO she is generally entitled to that. If she were to attempt and claim FMLA without merit or ran out of PTO and was using this as an excuse while refusing to file FMLA for the absences then there's an HR issue.
From a pure ethics/code of conduct point of view my organization probably wouldnt terminate employment for this issue on it's own. It would need compounded by something else.
For disciplinary actions on behavior that doesnt violate an HR handbook guideline needs to be documented that those behaviors are affecting the work and creating a disruption of that work.
So the most important question here is how big a company? How solid is the ethics reporting process (anonymously) in your HR? There's a bunch of issues here - first is, she clearly needs psychological, and other, help for what seems to be multiple issues. Just from what you've written she sounds like someone who could eventually be a danger to herself/others. However, next issue - with you clearly not being the person that could convince her to get help, your concern is getting her out of your organization so she can't wrongly damage you, at least, any more. You have to make sure you're not seeking revenge for her claims if you do report this, because of the non-retribution rules that exist (it can't even appear like you're just getting her back for her earlier claims). So if you have a large enough company and a trustworthy enough HR that has a written process (they should if they're more than 50 people), just lay out to them what you've seen from her as an ethics violation and that you wish to remain anonymous. There is at least one witness, it seems, who has first hand knowledge she's lying and as much as it sucks to "rat people out" it's the right thing to do here.
The issue outside the issue, which you probably can't control, is how the hell are there no managers/leaders catching on to her multiple issues?
I work for a Fortune 500 company. We have a large corporate HR department but have 0 HR in our office. Everyone in the office besides my manager is aware of this so I hope someone else brings this up. The manager is the only one who doesn't see this and he is generally clueless and incompetent at everything. She is a very poor liar and she will get her due soon. I appreciate the information.
That sounds so stressful; no one needs that action at work. To your problem: I'd go with no action on your part.
Even though it's supposed to be confidential, if she needed to make a health insurance claim for her 'outpatient-ectomy' the firm will know and see a new large claim as that will affect the increases to next year's premiums. They may put two and two together without you sticking your neck out.
Good luck; my advice would be to let someone else be the hero, someone without the history you descibe existing between you two.
(Humbly thanking jebus for my mostly decent coworkers)
billybaroo -Both Jfg and Chico have very good advice for you as well. I probably failed to impart, as Chico did, that the chances of you to remain anonymous even in a large company are low. I have 30 years of experience working for various Fortune 500 companies and I can always figure out who filed a complaint, even when it's anonymously reported. However, I don't know if sitting back and hoping someone else does the right thing is the proper advice - only because her continued presence seems like it could negatively impact you, personally. Also, lying about a disease etc., while horrible and may be not against any specific policy - the issue for a Fortune 500 company really boils down to improper time charging. That's where, at least in my experience, there's a no tolerance policy and any complaint needs to be directed.
the issue for a Fortune 500 company really boils down to improper time charging. That's where, at least in my experience, there's a no tolerance policy and any complaint needs to be directed.
That is a great point. Not personal, can't argue with the electronic paper trail.
I've spent at least half of my work hours over the past three weeks in meetings that were mostly around how my job is going to be outsourced on March 1st. I'm not worried about what I'm going to do, I has qualisificashuns, I'm just annoyed with all the meetings.
I hate when I send an email or a document to someone basically just to review for content accuracy and they send it back marked up with changes that are purely preferential.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
Post by crazykittensmile on Oct 13, 2015 11:36:52 GMT -5
Someone borrowed a vacuum from our facilities department, and now literally everyone but me is vacuuming their office.
1. The sound is suuuuuuuuuuuuper annoying and loud in our small office 2. I feel like a bit of a scrub for not giving two shits about the staples/random things on my carpet
Someone borrowed a vacuum from our facilities department, and now literally everyone but me is vacuuming their office.
1. The sound is suuuuuuuuuuuuper annoying and loud in our small office 2. I feel like a bit of a scrub for not giving two shits about the staples/random things on my carpet
Post by thepeppers on Oct 14, 2015 11:38:04 GMT -5
Walked from my place to campus this morning to realize I didn't have my backpack. Wouldn't even have bothered me if I had my Fitbit, but nope. Always take it off before I get in the shower, and forgot it as well.
When I finally get to my desk, I have a note from a professor saying that I will be covering his class on Friday morning.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Oct 14, 2015 13:44:04 GMT -5
You guys, I don't want to sound like an alarmist, but I'm pretty sure that two of my bosses are conspiring to cause me have a stroke. I mean, there's just really no other rational explanation.
Post by thepeppers on Oct 14, 2015 15:55:15 GMT -5
To add to my day.
The university has a public snapchat that is all ran through the story feature. On Monday, one of the students in the class I GA for took a snap of the professor and caption it with a crying face and the gun pointing to the face. Well, the local police apparently follow this snapchat account pretty closely and were alarmed by it. They went to the professor, told him what was going on. Now, they want me to sit in a position in the class where I may be able to identify who did it (we have found a pattern that the student snaps a pic of him almost every class...this was just the first one that came off as alarming). Wish I knew who it was so I could meet with them one-on-one to describe the situation and avoid them getting in trouble.
Came home from ACL on lockdown day for the magazine. I knew we would be a day late and let all the proper people know. We are now two days late and still missing key items in order to go to print. The new dude can't get his shit together at all, and it is fucking annoying. Can I punch him in the face yet?
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 21, 2015 10:06:13 GMT -5
At a work conference. I am almost positive I just saw a grown ass man with a perm. I am currently trying to convince myself I was mistaken even though I walked right by him.
At a work conference. I am almost positive I just saw a grown ass man with a perm. I am currently trying to convince myself I was mistaken even though I walked right by him.
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal. 
