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So because he has some thought provoking lyrics, he needs to buck the system and not make a buck?
I do think it's an interesting juxtaposition, but not exactly the level of hypocrisy you guys are claiming.
I absolutely respect his right to make a buck. For sure. He's a businessman, no doubt about it. I just don't understand writing lyrics that go against you belief system. The verse in question seems to be in direct contrast with the T shirt in question. It's like a self proclaimed Christian writing satanist music to make money or a satanist making Christian music only to make money.
He's just saying how he sees it. Doesn't mean he can't use it to his advantage.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Jul 18, 2013 15:34:39 GMT -5
Guess what everyone, designer clothes are expensive. Here are all the multi-hundred dollar t-shirts you could ever desire. www.mrporter.com/Shop/Clothing/T-Shirts
Actually, looking at the whole APC line, these jeans are actually not that outrageous uscheckout.apc.fr/browse.cfm/4,3376.html?nav=kanye
Sorry, for me there's a difference between "making a buck" and exploitation.
Can you expand on this? Just curious. Who is he exploiting? If someone wants to spend the money on this it's their choice. I don't think I'd ever buy a $120 plain white T-Shirt but there are some things that I'd spend over $100 on that others likely wouldn't.
Sorry, for me there's a difference between "making a buck" and exploitation.
Can you expand on this? Just curious. Who is he exploiting? If someone wants to spend the money on this it's their choice. I don't think I'd ever buy a $120 plain white T-Shirt but there are some things that I'd spend over $100 on that others likely wouldn't.
The problem I see here is multifold. First of all the product is marketed to a particular segment of the population, many of whom can't afford it. Now I know the argument is that no one is making them buy it but we've all been young once and thought we HAD to have something. Not to mention that it's not noted anywhere where this product is being made, my guess is that it's not french artisans hand looming these things. If they're like most other APC products they're made in China or Tunisia where they were produced for 5 bucks, max.
I compare it to the Russell Simmons Rush Card - Marketing to people a product that they are more likely to use because he is on the card that then has a representative APR of 391 percent.
I just think it's remarkably hypocritical for people to recognize the problem and then exploit it. Not like these guys are hurting for cash. IMHO.
Can you expand on this? Just curious. Who is he exploiting? If someone wants to spend the money on this it's their choice. I don't think I'd ever buy a $120 plain white T-Shirt but there are some things that I'd spend over $100 on that others likely wouldn't.
The problem I see here is multifold. First of all the product is marketed to a particular segment of the population, many of whom can't afford it. Now I know the argument is that no one is making them buy it but we've all been young once and thought we HAD to have something. Not to mention that it's not noted anywhere where this product is being made, my guess is that it's not french artisans hand looming these things. If they're like most other APC products they're made in China or Tunisia where they were produced for 5 bucks, max.
I compare it to the Russell Simmons Rush Card - Marketing to people a product that they are more likely to use because he is on the card that then has a representative APR of 391 percent.
I just think it's remarkably hypocritical for people to recognize the problem and then exploit it. Not like these guys are hurting for cash. IMHO.
This logic dictates we should ban all day-time TV commercials, most technical colleges, walmart, all fast food joints, most sole-proprietor auto dealerships, many liquor stores that are location dependent, QVC, Beanie Babies, Cricket, Boost Mobile, Payday Loans, Cadillacs, a whole truckload of sports memorabilia, and most anything else that has an advertising budget of at least 10,000$ directed at the non-1%ers and has a profit margin that is positive.
The larger problem is basic understanding of economics, finance and capitalism. Not the companies marketing a $130 T-Shirt.
We are talking about the core structure of capitalism itself. When Steve Jobs talks about pushing on one side of the bubble to make the other move it is about making products "People didn't even realize they couldn't live without." Apple's sales technique is founded on this very notion you are criticizing in your last sentence. All this highlights is luxury computer products use the same technique that sleezy pay-day loan places use. It is just a different product/service.
Every small business in America that is for profit is trying to recognize a problem/need that is based off supply and then exploit it regardless if it is already there or if it is a luxury item and they create the vacuum themselves.
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First of all the product is marketed to a particular segment of the population, many of whom can't afford it.
Who is it marketed to? And why do you think they can't afford it?
I think every segment of the population indulges in things they can't afford from time to time. Keeping up with the Joneses and all that. I don't see how that's Kanye's problem, or how he marketed it in a way that exploited any particular group.
Post by smoothaseggs on Jul 18, 2013 18:21:08 GMT -5
Kanye 1; Stupid Population 0.................overall it was a successful marketing/fashion design but done in a way to highlight the absurdness of the consumer. Kanye/anybody with his notoriety could put a price on anything and successfully sell it to the mass public. He is making a point showing how disillusioned our world/generation is.
Kanye 1; Stupid Population 0.................overall it was a successful marketing/fashion design but done in a way to highlight the absurdness of the consumer. Kanye/anybody with his notoriety could put a price on anything and successfully sell it to the mass public. He is making a point showing how disillusioned our world/generation is.
He is making a point that he knows how to make money and that is it. He took a luxury model and ran with it. This model has been replicated over and over and over. It is not some new industry un-heard of nor is it a statement about consumers as much as rolex is a statement about consumers.
Warren Buffet auctions off dinners much like Tim Cook. Tim Cook's recent dinner was over 500k to spend the evening with him and ask questions. You think the person putting up the 500k+ for some answers was doing it as a political statement? Prolly in the business of finding a small competitive edge in a highly competitive world thanks to the vast rich/poor gap.
All of this is like the most basic fundamental level of running a business.
What do we think 50 cent made most his empire off of? Music? Shows? Nope. Vitamin Water. He didn't go into Vitamin Water hoping to show how dumb people are that he can make 100million$++ off vitamins and water. He did it because....
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The problem I see here is multifold. First of all the product is marketed to a particular segment of the population, many of whom can't afford it. Now I know the argument is that no one is making them buy it but we've all been young once and thought we HAD to have something. Not to mention that it's not noted anywhere where this product is being made, my guess is that it's not french artisans hand looming these things. If they're like most other APC products they're made in China or Tunisia where they were produced for 5 bucks, max.
I compare it to the Russell Simmons Rush Card - Marketing to people a product that they are more likely to use because he is on the card that then has a representative APR of 391 percent.
I just think it's remarkably hypocritical for people to recognize the problem and then exploit it. Not like these guys are hurting for cash. IMHO.
This logic dictates we should ban all day-time TV commercials, most technical colleges, walmart, all fast food joints, most sole-proprietor auto dealerships, many liquor stores that are location dependent, QVC, Beanie Babies, Cricket, Boost Mobile, Payday Loans, Cadillacs, a whole truckload of sports memorabilia, and most anything else that has an advertising budget of at least 10,000$ directed at the non-1%ers and has a profit margin that is positive.
The larger problem is basic understanding of economics, finance and capitalism. Not the companies marketing a $130 T-Shirt.
We are talking about the core structure of capitalism itself. When Steve Jobs talks about pushing on one side of the bubble to make the other move it is about making products "People didn't even realize they couldn't live without." Apple's sales technique is founded on this very notion you are criticizing in your last sentence. All this highlights is luxury computer products use the same technique that sleezy pay-day loan places use. It is just a different product/service.
Every small business in America that is for profit is trying to recognize a problem/need that is based off supply and then exploit it regardless if it is already there or if it is a luxury item and they create the vacuum themselves.
Katbur is pointing out that Kanye is speaking against materialism, but then exploits it for his own financial gain, thus he is a phony. She isn't criticizing the structure of our economy, just Kanye being a hypocrite.
I understand that, I'm saying everyday probably her as well, particpate and complain about rich/poor. Then they go to their jobs, and they buy durable goods, and every single day the exploit X% of the population below them. Every single day. I'm saying it is crazy to think any of this is unique to Kanye.
One last thing I thought of that is kind of funny and I will be done here. It reminds me of Edward Sharpe juxtaposing Rich/Poor at Bonnaroo right after they signed onto Mumford's label and plan on traveling around the world making boat loads of cash. "We love the poor, we just don't want to be one of them"
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